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Group plans on spreading fear about Islam to high school students

Rev. Dr. Gary Cass

Rev. Dr. Gary Cass

Group plans on spreading fear about Islam to high school students

Defend Christians is an organization headed by Gary Cass, a minister who says that Christians are being attacked and losing their religious freedom in America. During the week of September 11, Cass’ organization, together with Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment and The Way TV, plan on handing out flyers condemning Islam.

According to Cass’ press release, “Christians across the US will be outside strategic high schools located near mosques with known links to terrorism. They will be handing out literature that tells students the truth about Islam and Mohammad and their violent, and oppressive policies towards non-Muslims, especially women and blacks.” His release does not reveal the basis for “known links to terrorism.”

In January, the Citizens for the First Amendment held a similar demonstration at a high school in Fallbrook, California. [And again in May at Murrieta Valley High School.]

“Like all patriotic Americans we cherish our liberties and our God-given rights and are committed to defending these principles,” said Steve Klein of Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment. “Fourteen hundred violent years of history prove that Islam is incompatible with America. Muslims believe they are superior and arrogantly reject our Christian principles of equality, minority rights and equal justice. We are going to the schools to protect students, and especially our young women, from the oppression Islam threatens to impose.”

“We are fed up with political correctness that refuses warn the next generation of Americans about the clear and present danger of Islam in America. It’s cultural suicide to stay silent,” said Dr. Gary Cass of Defend Christians.Org. “Muslims are trying to convert and radicalize our young people. By telling them the truth about the dangerous doctrines of Islam and the and wicked practices of Mohammad we are protecting our children.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center notes in its Summer 2011 Intelligence Report:

Rarely has the United States seen a more reckless and bare-knuckled campaign to vilify a distinct class of people and compromise their fundamental civil and human rights than the recent rhetoric against Muslims.

It would also be hard to imagine a more successful campaign. In the span of the two years since the start of Barack Obama’s presidency in early 2009, an astonishing number of people have turned into a kind of political wolf pack, convinced that 0.6% of the U.S. population is on the verge of trampling the Constitution and imposing an Islamic, Shariah-guided caliphate in its place. Like the communists that an earlier generation believed to be hiding behind every rock, infiltrated “Islamist” operatives today are said to be diabolically preparing for a forcible takeover.

Ironically, the Constitution seems more threatened by certain Americans who, prodded into paranoia by clever activists, opportunistic politicians and guileful media players, seem downright eager to deny Muslims the guarantees of religious freedom and the presumption of innocence.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has tracked a spike in hate crimes against Muslim Americans.

God Discussion, 19 July 2011

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52 Comments »

  1. Excellent commentary by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    And truthful!

  2. “Group plans on spreading fear about Islam to high school students”

    Is it spreading fear or just telling the truth.

  3. “Is it spreading fear or just telling the truth.”

    You forgot your proper punctuation and using the terminology and political Roger Ailesisms I suspect your are a Tea partier, LoveThemMoonbats.

    Try doing a search for “North Carolina debates first amendment” and read what the founding fathers said about the freedom of religion. If you want to go after a bloodthirsty cult whose sole purpose is to destroy America, you should start with the worst cult of all – Republicans.

  4. As far as I’m concerned, people like Dr. Gary Cass of Defend Christians is just adding fuel to the misguided fires of ignorance that exist in this nation. However, there is more than the Islamophobia here. Cass and his cohorts have a political agenda to claim persecution of Christians as a way to overturn the values and legitimate meaning of the First Amendment to our Constitution. He is just part of the Fundamentalist and Right Wing Movement to turn our Secular democratic republic into a Christian theocracy, which I will never accept.

  5. This just made me laugh, when they tell the “truth”, they’ll basically be lowering people’s IQ. What a shame.

  6. The first amendment also protects freedom of speech. Islam is not above criticism, ridicule or questioning.Gary Cass and his group have every right to speak out as they wish about Islam or any other religion.

  7. I agree with Hera when it is said that they have every right to say what they are saying. However, I believe what they are saying to be untrue, and while it would be wrong to stop them legally, it would be acceptable (and encouraged), in my opinion, to attempt to stop them on a person-to-person basis.

  8. I am pretty sure its spreading fear moonbats.

  9. Jose Alverez,
    Go into a crowded movie theater and yell fire. Do you get what I am saying or are you just that much of a tool?

  10. well mike the fact that the guy didn’t present proof of “links to terrorism” from mosques in the press release mentioned above can get me wondering especially in the days when there are laws banning sharia when people are losing jobs and homes and also can you name me a muslim in american schools that went on a shooting rampage cause i’m pretty sure the virginia tech and colimbine(correct me if I spelled that wrong) were not muslims when they carried out those shootings.

  11. What nonsense, first off a basic tenet of Islam is to adhere to the laws of what ever country you are in. Second does he have any idea how many black muslims there are in the world, they were treated as equal long before blacks were “equal” in america. As for abuse of women thats a cultural problem and not really of Islam. Muhammad was married and worked FOR his business-woman wife. Women in islam were afforded rights long before their sisters in judism or christianity ever were. Unfortunately in many backward education starved areas of the world some have twisted Islam to their own ends and women suffer just as has been done in christian nations at various periods of history. This isn’t what Islam teaches. Fourteen hundred years of violent history…..you have to be kidding, need I remind him of the inquisition, the crusades, the decimation of the populations of the “new world” or maybe a more recent example ireland and bosnia. Mr. Cass should try reading some actual history he might learn that much of his culture was preserved and returned by islam to the christian world after the dark ages.

  12. strange. are they erasing my comments?

  13. Maybe Mike as Corey responded to you but your comment is not represented. I would hope they do not stop people from commenting.

  14. well as i was asking.

    noor,

    i posted on the “Rais Bhuiyan, Victim of Post-9/11 Shooting Spree, Pleads To Spare Attacker Mark Stroman’s Life” article but it looks like it disappeared for some reason. anyways you said that one must want to be stoned for stoning (rajam) to take place. but i’ve read a couple of hadiths to the contrary. also you say one must be muslim and confess. but i see pregancy is accepted as proof of “illegal sexual” activities. and here muhammad is stoning jews, who obviously don’t want to be stoned.

    Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:

    Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:

    A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah’s Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. “What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?” They replied, “Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said, “O Allah’s Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah.” The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, “Lift up your hand.” Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah’s Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn ‘Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

  15. WARNING!!! TO ALL desperately pathetic ministers and reverents !!!
    Going around bashing islam and muslims won’t bring them (chistians) back to the churches.

    LOL..”1400 years violent years of islam prove it is incompatible with america”
    *Are those islamophobes too stupid to even learn little bit of history?*
    If christianity, since it rank 1rst of been the most violent religion of all religion(which is been proved by history),(but dont blame the religion, blame the followers) is compatible with America, Then definitely SO DO Islam .

    LOLOL…Islam oppressing black???…ahhh THAT’S a first… and worst, look who’s talking?? I’ll put my hand in the fire if “Dr” Cass proves that he have one black person in his congregation. It’s TOOO STUPID to even discuse about this.
    “DR” Cass have you forgotten that probably your father was a slave owner??

    Apparently the christos wackos islamophobes are falling off the wagon again..In the footsteps of the great brethren crusaders of the middle ages
    What is it now the 3rd or 4th crusades???? Shame on me i’ve lost count…

  16. first i said,

    fear and the truth are not necessarily diametrically oppossed.

    then i asked freeinquiry,

    how can you say “I believe what they are saying to be untrue,” when they haven’t said it yet? told about prejudice. but i’m sure it won’t be flattering.

    2prez & pservanze

    what do you think about noor’s statement: “Stoning to death is for a person who is (MARRIED+CONFESSES TO ADULTERY+WANTS HIMSELF TO BE PUNISHED TO WASH AWAY THE SINS). Stoning is only ordered if all three conditions are met.
    If you as a muslim did commit adultery, but dont want to be punished, it wouldnt be forced on you.”

    does the “dont want to be punished” apply to other infractions of sharia? can they fornicator ask not to be flogged, the thief not to have his hand cut off, etc. etc….

    daniel,

    i keep hearing this “a basic tenet of Islam is to adhere to the laws of what ever country you are in”. so why the uproar over the french and belgium bans on burqas? if a law of the land conflicts with sharia, which wins out? wouldn’t adhearing to local law also apply to local custom or accepted business practices? do you support these lawsuits against a store that didt want to serve a burqa wearing woman? how about the woman in jersey would is sueing a hospital because they didn’t have a female tech to give her some tests?

  17. then let me ask you this mike do these burqa bans make any sense whatsoever or do you think that they are somehow secret communication links to there terrorist hive mind, also you know how high school can be the fact that these people are passing flyers telling “the evils of islam” to kids at that time in a persons life that’s turbulent and want to establish an identity for lack of a better term where first impressions are important, how do you think it’s going to be for muslim students when they might be seen as a potential threat by everyone they go to class with because some flyer said so are you worried the slightest bit on what could happen to the muslims attending the highschool especially when highschool students can be impressionable?

  18. Well Mike there is a difference between adherence to a law and protesting one. There are many laws i don’t agree with have protested yet follow. Local customs well that’s personal choice for anyone anywhere isn’t it. Would you suggest to a Jew that he eat non-kosher because everyone else does or tell a christian living in Kabul that he should conform to praying 5 times a day. The case of the burqa and the store owner…discrimination plain and simple.The hospital…my personal opinion is she could have gone else where.The ban in France is just a state intrusion where it has no place. How would we react to a law passed forcing the catholic church to give women the right to be priests. A basic tenet of Christianity is to love thine enemies yet not all do, i don’t condemn all for actions of a few. I certainly don’t advocate spreading fear where there is no need to be afraid. In the USA i think we have more to fear from right wing extremists than Islam. Tim Mcvey, waco texas, jim jones….we all have crosses to bare.

  19. “strange are they erasing my comments?” noooooo!

    AH! ARE THEY???.. Bad bad bad muslims or.. dhimmies perhaps?. But Sirrr why are your comments worth erasing? Are you saying anything different or shockingly new than your peers?. Have you made some discovery for the entertainment business of islamophobia that we should know about? If yes then shaame on the baaaad muslims or ..dhimmies perhaps? Of islamophobia today web . But Trust me (FYI), we’ve read and heard mutch worse, you dont even come close, your a child’s play in the entertainment and lucrative “business” of islamophobia. So step up to the delicious plate of prejudice and hate if you wants us to take you seriously..

    AH! just one more thing by the way, can you show us sirrr since you’re the professinal expert islamic scholar that we all know you are, can you show us the verse in the Qur’an that say “stone the adulterers”??, we all know stoning adulteres is found in the primary source or text(a.k.a the bible) of judaism and christianity, but Mr scholar can you show us where it say “stone the adulteres” in the primary source and final authority of Islam?
    PS..The prophet of Islam was known as the “walking quran”
    To @MIKE the islamic scholar we’re been ALL wating for. Continue enlighten us against the “evil” of ISLAM Alleluia!!!
    From your humble student…

  20. @Mike That hadith you brought up is basically the Jews being punished based on THEIR OWN laws, prescribed in their Torah’s. I didn’t expect you to be honest when trying to explain “your version” of what the Hadith is saying.

    “if a law of the land conflicts with sharia, which wins out?”

    Let me educate you. The only time your allowed to fight back is when your refused the right to worship God. I mean, if they for instance made it illegal to postrate to God, then in that case you would be allowed to defy against such a Law.

    However if your still able to do the very basic and necassary tenants of Islam, such as praying, fasting, giving to Charity (Zakat), then your not allowed to fight or resist against the Laws of a Non-Muslim land. This is kind of why the Prophet(pbuh) discouraged people immigrating to Non-Muslim lands, because he knew they would be suppressed (one example is the Burka ban). But, given the issues of the corrupt leaders in the Muslim lands, who oppress Muslims anyways, I suppose it makes little difference; one of the main reasons why people want the return of the Islamic state and the Caliphate.

    To make sure Muslims didn’t oppress Non-Muslims in Muslim lands, the Prophet in a very famous hadith said this; “Whoever harms a Non-Muslim in a Muslim state, has harmed ME and I will personally testify against him on the day of Judgement”.

    Despite this strong hadith, there are some Muslims who have unfortunatly not honoured it. This could be due to ignorance, lack of education, or just the fact that their humans who will unfortunatly make errors.

    “i keep hearing this “a basic tenet of Islam is to adhere to the laws of what ever country you are in”. so why the uproar over the french and belgium bans on burqas?”

    Common Mike, use your God given common sense would you? Since the law has been implemented, where have you seen a mass of Muslim women wearing Burka’s and in that case “defying” the law of the land?

    And last time I checked, in a secular society, it’s perfectly allowed to debate and argue your case as to why the Burka should or shouldn’t be banned. So funny you’d describe it as an “uproar” like Muslims are breaking the tentants of their faith, when all their asking for is religious freedom, prescribed in your own “secular” laws.

    “can they fornicator ask not to be flogged, the thief not to have his hand cut off, etc. etc…”

    Well, it would firstly have to be a very severe case for any of the above punishments to be ascribed.

    THe fornicator, it would bewilder me how they would’ve got caught, given you need 4 witnesses, who all have to be of upright and good character. When people forincate they usually do it behind closed doors (even if the secular western society). So if your THAT stupid to actually get caught, then no, you can’t be forgiven. I think the same would apply to any secular laws aswell, if you commit the crime and there’s overwhelming evidence against you, then you can’t avoid punishment, the state will carry it out. You will get the death sentence for treason, or for murder. Under Sharia though, if you murdered someone, then the family of the victim are the only one’s that can forgive you and help you avoid punishment, but in the end it would be the states decision.

    For Theifs, in “most” cases depending on the severity they can avoid the punishment if their able to work what they stole back.

  21. Daniel,

    Are you aware that slavery was not abolished in Saudi Arabia until 1962? That’s 1962 not 1862.It’s well known that Malcolm X was appalled at seeing slaves being sold during his trip to Mecca.Are you aware that slaves most of them black are still being sold in the Muslim world in 2011? You can read books written by modern black slaves and how they are treated by their Muslim masters. One such book is “Escape From Slavery” by Francis Bok.Bok’s book was published in 2004, not 1904 or 1804.Bok was kidnapped from the Sudan at age seven and enslaved by Muslim farmers. Bok was a slaved for 10 years before escaping to freedom and America with the help of the UN.There are other books written by modern day slaves if you want to read them. These are examples of how “equal” blacks are in the Arab/Muslim world today.

  22. oooooh!
    hera so tell us how it feels to be a slave since you follow their history……and also do you know what islam teaches about slavery? please
    have full knowledge of something before you come to conclusion……dont just comment innorder to look cool to your friends……

  23. richard,

    don’t you find it disturbing that allah allows for the taking of slaves in the first place? why not prohibit it? what dolyou think of this article?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

    anyways this is mostly a test i tried to respond to earlier comments directed at me but they are yet to pop up. maybe my post was too long?

  24. Richard,

    It’s amazing to me that anyone would find slavery amusing. As for what Muslims teach about slavery I supposed it’s similar to what Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were told in 1785 by Tripoli’s Muslim ambassador to London.

    “When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html

    In the case of modern day slave Francis Bok it appears that the enslavement was also racially motivated.Bok reported being told he was an animal and being forced to live with animals. Perhaps that is the reason why blacks in southern Sudan just formed their own new nation a few days ago.If you want to know how it feels to be treated as a slave you can read Bok’s book or the books of other slaves of Arab/Muslims.Or you can watch the video of the black slave who was beaten, bitten and later killed by a Saudi Prince just last year. The beating in an elevator was caught on tape in the UK and the Prince was tried and sentence to prison.

  25. corey,

    i don’t think that the government banning burqas is a good thing. i’m a libertarian therefore i’m not for the government banning much, certainly nothing to do with personal dress. i don’t care if you walk around naked, but i support business who have signs that say “no shoes no shirt no service”. so i don’t think business should be forced to change their dress codes to accomedate any religion, or that a business should be forced to serve someone who is masked. as for handing out flyers to highschool students, so what. this america we have freedom of speech, there is no minimum age requirement.

    daniel,

    “difference between adherence to a law and protesting one” your right. i just think we need to eliminate all these religious laws. i believe there should be a set of criminal and a set of civil law for all americans. no of this “their law” “our law” stuff. one nation one set of laws. as for the burqa. see above. “we have more to fear from right wing extremists than Islam” i agree totally, given the current demographics in usa. jim jones right wing, really, i thought he was quite liberal? no matter, i don’t drink kool-aid.

    sahra,

    that’s hilarious. i love the sacrasm. as to “But Sirrr why are your comments worth erasing?” i don’t know. all i know is some disappeared. oh well. the koran never mentions stoning nor have i ever claimed it to. it also doesn’t outlaw stoning. sunni muslims, which this website says makes up 90% of muslims follow the sunnah. that includes hadiths. i guess you are a koran only muslim. that’s great because the hadith are quite disturbing. the koran is not so torturous, just flogging people. do you think the opening of the 24th surah is god’s (good) law. please see hadith at the end if you are sunni.

  26. Richard, I am sorry but Muslims do keep slaves with most slaves being black and taken from poverty stricken countries in Central and South Africa. Mauritania, which is an Islamic Republic is one of the biggest abusers in this area, though they have outlawed slavery, it still continues in a very public way. Now I do not know what Islam teaches about slavery, but people like Sahra seem to want to put the issue on white Christians. My message to Sahra is if you want a slave you may go to Mauritania today and purchase a black slave from a black Muslim then cry me a river about evil crusading slave taking white Christians.

    This modern Crusader talk is sheer nonsense. There are military actions taking place in various parts of the Islamic World but Islam is a very large religion and like it or not some of its followers started these wars. They knew what they were doing even if they hide behind the excuse that they are trying to change U.S. Policy in the region and toward Israel.

    Once again I understand about what people say Islam is about and I do not doubt it. However, its structure and ability to be misunderstood must be tremendous as Islamic states seem unable to follow the tenets of a religion they claim they embrace. The visual examples and actions set by these Islamic States contradict the claim of being a religion of peace and acceptance. I realize that the majority of Muslims may hold beliefs that exemplify and push for positive values but the leaders of Islam; who have political, military, and economic powers do not seem to follow these positive values. combine that with Islamic terrorism and you get the situation we have today. Scared people making choices based upon fear and the need to control a situation which is beyond them. Where, if they were successful, the society that would result would be a farce in terms of human rights and personal freedoms.

  27. Book 017, Number 4194:
    ‘Abdullah b. ‘Abbas reported that ‘Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah’s Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

  28. persveranze,

    thanks for your response. but i don’t know when i gave “my version”. that is from defend the prophet. anyways my point was that they clearly didn’t want to be stoned yet muhammad stoned them. seemed to contridict noor’s idea of when stoning is allowed. good to hear that muslims will not attack us unless we disallow their freedom of religion. don’t think that will ever happen in america. please can you get the memo to al-qaeda. as for the burqa ban. i retact my “uproar” comment. as for fornicators being caught, this brings up two questions. first why make a law if you never plan to inforce it? two is not pregancy proof of fornication.

  29. hera , yes im aware of the practice and its history. how ever it has nothing to do with the slaves being black it isnt a race issue. If you think otherwise then i ask why are there so many black muslims all over the world and then please explain the “nation of islam”.

  30. daniel,

    don’t you find it disconcerting that in 23 years of revelations that god didn’t bother to abolish slavery? there’s great discussion of mentrastion, dietary laws, and dress codes. so why not just say, “verily no man or woman my hold another man or woman in bondage or servitude”.

  31. part of the problem is people in general call any nation that is predominately comprised Of Muslims an Islamic country. Following from that is the assumption that every such country should conform and exhibit the tenets of Islam. The same logic isnt applied to western nations. I have had christians claim the USA is a christian nation when extolling its pluses yet when you ask about the seedy side suddenly its no longer christian. People are people, Governments are Governments, we’d all be better off looking at the individuals rather then where they come from.

  32. daniel,

    i agree totally. all individuals should be viewed as just that, individuals. i also agree that christians want it both ways. america is great because it is christian but the problems are the result of unchristian behavior. but don’t muslims do the same thing? anyways can you answer my question??? is god not better than people and governments? why notend slavery with a revelation? btw america is not a christian nation, we are secular, it’s in the constitution. tell your christian friends they are idiots.

  33. My best answer is perhaps some things Allah wanted us to figure out for ourselves.

  34. I never did say “they had no right to pass out flyers” I’m just asking if you’ve thought about the possibility of bullying that could target the muslims going to that school, as i’ve said highschool is a time when one is very impressionable you want to have some kind of identity for yourself but when people already see you as public enemy number one because of a flyer passed by ned flanders crazy cousin pictured above then highschool is going to be hell if your a muslim for the next four years.

  35. corey,

    who quoted you as saying ““they had no right to pass out flyers””? you’re right, the possibilities are endless. is not the same true of the koran? i’m not in favor of banning the koran, but has it not lead to terrorism throuhout the world? does not al-qaeda find inspiration in it’s text? let them say what they want an refutiate it with logic and reason.

    daniel,

    so allah was in favor of a thousand years of slavery to let us figure out that it was wrong, but he/she made sure to tell us not to eat pork, or to wear a headscarf?????? that seems weak dude…..oh well….but thanks for your honest answer.

  36. then could the same not be said for the bible that’s been used to justify pretty freaky things not just the crusades or the inqusition but many christians who were pro slavery used it as justification to keep slavery in america, and in recent memory there were people like jim jones who had the bible to get his followers to commit one of the worst mass suicides in history, and also there are christian terrorist groups one I can name at the top of my head is the lords resistance army who uses torture and child soldiers,and in america there are anti abortion groups which usually consist of christians that dis regard peaceful protest in favor of bombings and murder of doctors, so yeah possibilities are endless when a psychopaths twist religious doctrine for some kind of justification of abhorring acts, and you are aware that the kkk uses the bible to justify racism right.

  37. if islam supports slavery then why are so many black people embracing it?then if it oppresses women why are their so many women find it as their answer? the problem here is very simple……people want live the way they want not as God want……ooooh! wait a minute almost forget that i was just like you lol’s….i critised islam looked in any source in the net that provided hate links….verilly Allah guides those who he wills……he is the best of all knowers….friends you are not forced to join islam if you
    think its bad for your health!

  38. yes corey, the same could and should be said of the bible. the god of abraham is a brutal god, no doubt. let’s review some of what god himself has done. sent the angel of death to kill the first born of every egyptian, and flooded the entire earth, talk about collective punishment. so some poor egyptian farmer wakes up to find his 1 month old son dead because of the actions of the pharoh? are you going to tell me there weren’t some innocent people killed in the great flood? and all who follow his lead are clearly capable of great brutality. yes i’ve heard of the crusades and the kkk and the curse of ham. but i’m confused, don’t muslims beleive the bible to be “holy” and part of god’s “divine revelations” (other then the part about jesus being the son of god)? so, one religion’s brutality justifes another’s? strange reasoning to me, but then again i’m to be pittied, i’m diseased. lol… anyways take it easy.

  39. @Hera “Are you aware that slaves most of them black are still being sold in the Muslim world in 2011? You can read books written by modern black slaves and how they are treated by their Muslim masters. ”

    I couldn’t stop laughing, how desperate are you Islaphobes LOL.

    “first why make a law if you never plan to inforce it?”

    It’s to protect Society. People will remain God-Fearing, but if that for some reason is not enough, then the thought of capital punishment would usually make people desist in the first place. If your blaitantly caught, with enough proof and 4 witnesses then you will get punished, just like any other Justice system.

    And example of how the “hand cutting” law has been successful –

    – In 70 years there have only been 6 cases of hand cutting in Arabia.
    – In America, there’s theft every 12 seconds.

    When the call to prayer comes, people leave their shops open lol. Literally, even if it’s a jewelery shop, they’ll just leave it, walk to prayer and come back 15 minutes later.

    You read the stories of people who go to hajj, and they tell you that never before have they felt so secure and at peace. You could literally walk 4am in the morning without ever having to look behind your back.

    Also a famous story, of one of the Caliphates (i think it’s Umar(ra)) I have to double check, where they dropped a large amount of coins by accident in one of the cities. A few weeks later, they came back and it’s still there.

    Sharia protects society and there’s ALOT of proof for this. But, secular people are against it due to them believing it’s too restrictive. Anyone who says it’s barbaric is in denial and has a culture shock, Muslims don’t have the apologise to anyone for having low Crime stats, especially when Sharia is properly implemented.

    “http://www.islamopediaonline.org/news/author-saudi-curriculums-advocates-slavery”

    This is why you lose Credit MIke and are labelled as bigot/Islamaphone. You never bothered to read that whole article, which highlighted the contraversy of the SHEIKH’s opinion himself. This is what else he said –

    “Among Al-Fawzan’s other controversial beliefs is the right to ban the marriage of Arab women to non- Arab Muslims”

    How on earth did you miss that Mike? Are you going to say now that Islam encourages racism, just because a contraversial Sheikh said so? Never once in the Quran was Slavery ever encouraged, in fact it was the “biggest deeds” to free a slave, which the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and his companions free’d a total of 300,000+ slaves in their time.

    I have alot to say, but I feel like I’m just talking to a troll and wasting my time. Keep it up and eventually you will probably be banned.

  40. “i’m not in favor of banning the koran, but has it not lead to terrorism throuhout the world? does not al-qaeda find inspiration in it’s text?”

    I just couldn’t ignore this one lmao.

    When your country gets invaded, your house gets raided, your wife raped, beaten and killed, your children beaten and killed, yourself beaten and then locked up. Then come tell me you would still find the idea of “blowing up people” as a bad thing to do.

    So much ignorance and hypocrisy. Educate yourself please – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rMyFoZBr8

    ALSO lol, 94% of terrorist acts have been produced by NON-MUSLIMS, there’s more JEWISH terrorists then Muslim one’s. Should we ban the Torah aswell? What about the KKk and the Aryan Brotherhood, what else should we ban, the bible? (actually a christian woman made news for requesting the bible to be banned, as it’s too violent/pornographic).

    We had a Athiest ideological government in the Soviet’s, should we ban extremist Athiest ideologies aswell?

    What about the 2billion Muslims in the world who try to do good deeds, help others, give to charity (Islam as a group gives more to charity then anyone in the world/yearly basis) – and they get all their influence from the Quran, should we ban that too?

    I have an idea, why don’t we just ban Mike.

  41. perseverance,

    are these the answer i ignore? so you are in favor of cutting a thief’s hand in some situations. good to know. your right draconian laws can keep the populace in line. we have many problems in america. so your answer is to rain down the wrath of god to correct them. teen pregnancy is a big problem in my opinion. so your answer is to publicly lash them? you still didn’t answer if pregnancy is proof of fornication.

    “If your blaitantly caught, with enough proof and 4 witnesses then you will get punished, just like any other Justice system.” so does that include video taped evidence?

    “But, secular people are against it due to them believing it’s too restrictive. Anyone who says it’s barbaric is in denial and has a culture shock” your right it is a culture shock. and it is barbaric. we have a little thing called a contitution and it bans cruel and unusual punishment. that has been intrepreted as forbiding physical torture, but unfortunately not the death penalty yet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14239645 i remeber when sinapore caned an america for grafitii. talk about a culture shock.

    as for my post of the islamopedia article. i was merely showing that there is a diversity of thought and some self critisism within islam.

    but i guess you know me to be a troll and a bigot/Islamaphone. well you know what the say, opinions are like elbows and a**holes, everyone has one.

    “Never once in the Quran was Slavery ever encouraged” but why not ban it. so 300,000 slaves where freed. one must make someone a slave in order to free them.

    you didn’t answer the question, do not terrorist find insperation in the koran? in your opinion they maybe misinterpreting the koran, but nonetheless it is their inspiration, right? as for countries being invaded, you’re right war creates alot of animosity and that is why it is bad, along with all the things you mention. so why do muslims blow up other muslims? why beat ayyamandis to death, etc. etc.

    ““blowing up people” as a bad thing to do.” unlike you i don’t want to read into what you mean so i’ll ask stairght up, you are in favor of blowing up people? yes i’ve seen the article that staes 94% of american terrorism is non-muslim. http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum did you read the stats? non-islamic terrorist deaths 194, injuries 900
    islamic terrorist deaths 2,981 injuries 13,000est hard to be precise on 9/11 that 6% of terrorism accounts for 93.8% of all deaths and 93.5% of injuries.

    as for your charitable giving stats, is that just individual giving, because i thought that japan was considered the biggest donor nation? is that total money or percapita or a percentage of gdp? thought norway was highest as %age of gdp.

    “and they get all their influence from the Quran, should we ban that too” when did i say the get “all” their influence from the koran. i’m sure they are greatly influenced by geo-politics. plus i clearly state i’m not in favor of banning the koran.

    as for my ignorance, i’m sure i’m ignorant of much. my spelling and grammar are proof of that. you may want me banned but i hope to hear more from you.

  42. Go ahead and ban people if that is the desire. Nothing like having a comment section where everyone agrees. It may be nice to live in a world without dissenting opinions.

  43. perseverance,

    my main response is held up in moderation, i threw in some website links. but i was just thinking about your, “(Islam as a group gives more to charity then anyone in the world/yearly basis)” statement. where did you get that from? how are these groups formed and compared? are you comparing 2 billion muslims to 300 million americans? 140 japanesse? 350 million in the eu? the un? you do know that america pays like 22% of the un’s budget? is taxpayer money as in foriegn aid counted? please be more specific.

  44. oh yeah, what hypocrisy had i demonstrated?

  45. @Corey you’re too kind ..Those loonatic islamophoses don’t care about those students, least of all muslim students, th’re on a path of a crusade and no morality can stop them. You said impressionable?? But Corey they are trying to make the next generation of islamophobes and we can’t get in their way now can we.
    But compare to their forefathers from several centuries ago, th’re nothing but a pathetic jokesters. They don’t have the same christian zeal of the ones before…ahhh this damm secularism!!

    Do you khow what the 1rst crusaders did, not the 2th, but the 1rst ones, before Salah Uddin… With the zeal of christianity boiling in their vein, wild eyed, they walked straight into jeruzalem, slaughtered everyone their sword meet, and to show the survivors that they(crusaders) came to jeruzalem for serious “business” and not for jokes or to Bff with the indigenous people, they(crusaders) had to install fear in the hart of the population. And do you know what they did to install that fear? They started cooking the flesh of the people they murdered in order to eat it, out of hunger maybe, but mostly to create a sense of panic at the heart of the people, so they started to cook, then eat the death human flesh right before the very eyes of the already terrified population, in order to warn them, that if any of them slightly tries to retaliate, they would end up in the dinner plate for supper…yum yum
    So you see, you can’t reason with hate, but the 21rst century islamophobes thought are puppies compare to those guys, and their leader seems to be weak wacko irrelevant(wilders). But because of the strong laws of secularism in the west now (thanks to the USA who initiated it), but also of what happened in WW2 and the holocaust, the haters (i.e islamophobes, anti-semites ect..) can’t hurt anymore (at least physically) their victims, like Hitler or the old crusaders did. So let them slander islam and muslim all they want, as longs as their not taking our righs away or murdering us, they can bilieve all they want that chistianity is superior to islam, which in itself is laughable, but then again silliness khows no bounderies..

  46. sahra,

    again…the koran never mentions stoning nor have i ever claimed it to. it also doesn’t outlaw stoning. sunni muslims, which this website says makes up 90% of muslims follow the sunnah. that includes hadiths. i guess you are a koran only muslim. that’s great because the hadith are quite disturbing. the koran is not so torturous, just flogging people. do you think the opening of the 24th surah is god’s (good) law. please see hadith below…

    Book 017, Number 4194:
    ‘Abdullah b. ‘Abbas reported that ‘Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah’s Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

    lol… really the crusades, you can’t reason with people today because someone 5 hundred years ago did something? really hitler, you sound like a “conservative”? hey why don’t you throw dracula in the mix. wait someone did that before, was that you?????

    perseveranze are these the answers i’m ignoring? i don’t see any answers just non-sense.

    oh well.

  47. @Mike the islamic sholard, hope you dont mind me calling you that cause we learn so so mutch from you….
    I love though when you post suras from the Qu’ran, it gives me a chance to read suras that i haven’t read in a while cause of lack of time, so i pick up my Qu’ran kissed it and start reading it, and so i thank you for that!! Even though YOU’re posting it for different reasons, for a muslim it’s always moving to see, hear or read the words of the Qu’ran. So you see unkhowingly and with your bad intentions you’re actually helping me, a muslim!! But don’t hate yourself for it, God works in mysterious ways.

    But let me ask you this question, hope you’ll get the time to answer it.
    Do you think that what’s going on right now against islam and muslims in the western hemisphere is a not crusade called islamphobia?? less savage than the previous ones i’ll give you that, because of the secular laws, but nonetheless a crusade???

    Hate put aside can you answer it objectively. And please dont give me that mumbo jumbo islam is evil crap..or that bin laden was about religion but not politic thus he hated our way of life crap.. he used religion to gather faithfull to fight against US imperialism and hegemony i’ll give that mutch. SO if your answer’s going to be the mumbo jumbo above then please don’t bother answering!!!
    And what’s your “really hitler?” comment about ..Are you denying that hitler murder jews for the sole reason been their religion.
    “a Conservative?” No! nor “a liberal”, what ever the hell that mean anyway, other than a check marks in a ballot box for liars, theives, warmongerers politicians..

  48. sahra,

    thanks you can call me anything you want. before we get to the mumbo jumbo let me answer your question on the islamophobia crusade as succincly as possible: no. here’s why, i agree with the person who said, “But compare to their forefathers from several centuries ago, th’re nothing but a pathetic jokesters. They don’t have the same christian zeal of the ones before…ahhh this damm secularism!!” i think you belittle the brutallity of the crusades with that comparison. i do think it is a misguided political movement, but then again i think most politcal movements are miguided and built on irrational fears. that’s why people throw around verbage such as your’s. to raise fear. that’s why i said “really hitler, you sound like a conservitive”. sorry now that i reread it i see that the thought wasn’t conveyed very well. so you don’t think it’s mumbo jumbo to compare islamaphobes to flesh eating crusaders, wait you say they don’t compare and then ask me if the are not crusaders? now i’m confused maybe you had the same problem i had, my thought didn’t transcripe well. now you say ubl “gather faithfull to fight against US imperialism and hegemony”. ok so al-qadea are “faithful” muslims? do you agree with their actions? interesting.

    anyways can you at least answer this question with a yes or no? does your god call for the stoning of adulterers and/or the lashing of fornicators?

    glad to hear i can help, i’ll keep posting from the koran. it helps me reread as well. i can’t fathom why someone once told me not to.

    i’ll repost this in a newer article incase they scroll a bunch in the morning. i worked 18 hours today so i’ll probably sleep til noon tomorrow.

  49. MIKE THE ISLAMIC SCHOLAR: your the one Who is confused maybe, you said it yourself or this case (typed) that ” my god ” (as you put it, I LOL on that one, for me GOD is for everybody, for the ones who reject him and for the ones who accept him, but that is me and beside the point), but you said it yourself that the Qu’ran never mentions one’s the stoning of adulters, so you pretty mutch answered your own question.

    As for the hadiths, since they have been written way after the prophet of Islam died and by people who never meet him, their relevance have to depend on the only authotity of Islam which is the Qu’ran.

    AS for the lashing of adulters, Please read the whole verse, trowing words here and there without context make you seem irrelevant.
    Maybe if you start looking at the Qu’ran with little less personal prejudice emotions and with little more objectivity you will understand a lot better of what you’re reading.

    As for al-qaeda and their leader OBL, i never said that i agree with their action nor that they are “faithful”, cause lots of things they do put them pretty much outside the fold of islam if we mean “faithful” in that sense. What i said was that he (OBL) tried to used religion in order to gather or recruit if you will, the ordinary faithful muslims who where already pretty mutch sick and tired of US foreign policy and hegemony in the region and therefore vulnerable in that regard, into his twisted methodes.
    But please, dont give me your penny worth morality as to when it comes to OBL and his fellow other criminals of this world including Buch jr, Cheney, Ramsefeld , Blair and others, who are on the loose and comfortably living in their luxury, while they distroyed and murdered millions of lifes including american lives.
    BUT of course american and european war criminals = intouchable
    Rest of the world war criminals = invade, change of regime, kill and destroy hundreds of thousands of innocent lives by those very same intouchable criminals. IT’s “God given righs” therefore must be accepted by the citizens of the world.

    AS for islamophobia and for islamophobes, they may not eat fresh like the barbarians of several centuries ago, cause (there is plenty of junk foods out there..lol), but nevertheless and dispite of secular laws, they’s plenty of islamophobes, including high profile politicians who would gladly in a blink of eye, take the rights of muslims to worship freely if it depended solely on them. So let them continue battle first with mosques and veils, halal food or whatnot and we will see where it lead’s.
    AS for hitler there is nothing wrong by fearing hitler ideology especially if your a muslim living in the west today, it will not happen God forbit as it was for jews, but some of the hardcore islamophobes rhetorics are one and the same as the 30’s Germany, therefore once again proving that hitler ideology are not completely cleansed from Europe, is just that the word jew have been replaced by the word muslim, but then again you could feel our anxiety if the shoe was on the other foot.
    Try to apply for a job or travel with a Muslim name or with a veil, and you will realize what islamophobia stand for. Peace…

  50. sahra,

    you’re right, i’m totally confused. god is most merciful on one hand yet he wants fornicators lashed? we call that torture in the western hemisphere, well maybe not mexico and columbia. contridictions always confuse me. i’ve read the entire 24th surah, from my hard copy of “the message of the qur’an translated and explained by muhammad asad”. but that would be alot of typing, so if you would permit me two online sources of “the light” ….

    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=541486

    http://www.faithinallah.org/sahih-international-an-nur-the-light/

    so is that a yes to you being a koran only muslim? if so i’ll be sure not to take anymore hadiths out of context when directing my comment towards you.

    “As for al-qaeda and their leader OBL, i never said that i agree with their action nor that they are “faithful””, ok – i didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. many do that to me on this site. and despite being accused of it, i try not to be a hypocrate. sometimes the written word, lacking inflection and conotation is easily open to misinterpertation. please note the question marks in what i said. “now you say ubl “gather faithfull to fight against US imperialism and hegemony”. ok so al-qadea are “faithful” muslims? do you agree with their actions?” never saw the word “tried”, personally i think he was pretty successful. so i now take it as you don’t endose osama bin laden. cool. sorry if that wasn’t clear in your eairlier post. my bad.

    as for “american and european war criminals”, start an international crimal court in mecca and rise up and grab them. surely god will send angels to fight on your side. i’m no fan of bush jr. mostly for him abandoning tort reform and his medicare d program, but non-the-less get him if you can. side note european war criminals aren’t untouchable, just ask milosivic. but i’ll agree the big four (uk france germany russia) are currently untouchable. and of course the usa, but who knows what the future holds. as for travel, that would be an interesting experiment. in you send me a burqa i’ll wear it next time i fly. i’m 5’10” 230 lbs.

    michael malzahn
    2211 3rd av north
    st.petersburg, fl 33713

    As-Salamu Alaykum

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