Oslo Bombing Anders Behring Breivick
Anders Behring Breivick’s Dream of a “Knights Templar Europe”
Breivick sick twisted dream. This video that he originally created sums up his 1400 page manifesto titled, “European Declaration of Independence.”
While this is sick and twisted, we must remember that he is entitled to his opinions, no mattter how warped we find them to be. We can receive love only by granting it to those who hate us.
What a complete sicko/psycho.
warning totally unrelated to this article, well maybe not totally, the crusades are mentioned. sahra i would compare this guy to a crusader.
thanks you can call me anything you want. before we get to the mumbo jumbo let me answer your question on the islamophobia crusade as succincly as possible: no. here’s why, i agree with the person who said, “But compare to their forefathers from several centuries ago, th’re nothing but a pathetic jokesters. They don’t have the same christian zeal of the ones before…ahhh this damm secularism!!” i think you belittle the brutallity of the crusades with that comparison. i do think it is a misguided political movement, but then again i think most politcal movements are miguided and built on irrational fears. that’s why people throw around verbage such as your’s. to raise fear. that’s why i said “really hitler, you sound like a conservitive”. sorry now that i reread it i see that the thought wasn’t conveyed very well. so you don’t think it’s mumbo jumbo to compare islamaphobes to flesh eating crusaders, wait you say they don’t compare and then ask me if the are not crusaders? now i’m confused maybe you had the same problem i had, my thought didn’t transcripe well. now you say ubl “gather faithfull to fight against US imperialism and hegemony”. ok so al-qadea are “faithful” muslims? do you agree with their actions? interesting.
anyways can you at least answer this question with a yes or no? does your god call for the stoning of adulterers and/or the lashing of fornicators?
glad to hear i can help, i’ll keep posting from the koran. it helps me reread as well. i can’t fathom why someone once told me not to.
i’ll repost this in a newer article incase they scroll a bunch in the morning. i worked 18 hours today so i’ll probably sleep til noon tomorrow.
Taken from the HOLY BIBLE: NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION (C) 1978 by the New
York Bible Society, used by permission of Zondervan Bible Publishers.
20:10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife
of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to
11 “‘If a man sleeps with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father.
Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on
their own heads.
passsages on punishment for adultery/fornication etc appear in all holy texts, not just the Quran
“does your god call for the stoning of adulterers and/or the lashing of fornicators?”
Stoning, nothing in the Quran about it. Fornication, yes, for a good reason.
Stoning comes from the OT/Bible, it’s something Jesus(pbuh) approved and was the law that Moses(pbuh) brought. This original concept was something that God brought down in the earlier scriptures.
In Islam the law is there to protect society, it’s more of a “think about the punishment before you do the crime” type of law. And, naturally speaking, you would never ever honestly get caught if you actually did it (due to the parables needed to be convincted).
In 1000 years when Islam first came, only 3 cases of stoning. All of them self confessions, as if their basically just asking to be punished. But, for how long did the Islamic society remain protected, happy? In fact, the highest standard of living recorded in history happened during the time the 5th Caliphate of Islam took charge, I believe he was the grandson of Umar(ra). He introduced the concept of a system which would pay for all the expenses and costs of disabled/less abled people. Instead of the rich gaining more richness and the poor being more poor, the money would have a steady flow where everyone would benefit. The Caliphate had achieved this in just 2 years time.
I think, if your honestly not ignorant like you claim to be, then you should watch this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kf9z0Y3W2g
“with prisons over populated, millions incasrated, famalies broken, criminal records that hounts you for life, taxpayer money wasted, privatized prison industrail complex growing. One American former cop and now a profesor wrote a book called “In Defense of Flogging” even non muslims are supporting sharia as a solution.”
And Mike, please stop trolling. You keep getting your facts from anti-Islamic sites, including your “version of the Quran”. Every single post you make it’s about the same thing, despite it already being answered again and again.
If your geniune then be humble in your approach, research the subject thoroughly before comming to conclusion and posting it. If you want to know more about the faith of Islam, go to an Islamic forums and ask your questions there.
Perseveranze, I’m sorry, are you saying Islam calls for the lashing of “fornicators”?
i don’t follow, are you saying that your god doesn’t approve of stoning? is not jesus (peace be upon him) not a messinger of your god? is moses (pbuh) a messinger of your god. i agree (as i’ve said several times) that stoning is never mentioned in the koran. “Stoning comes from the OT/Bible, it’s something Jesus(pbuh) approved and was the law that Moses(pbuh) brought. This original concept was something that God brought down in the earlier scriptures.” so is that a yes? i don’t know why it is so hard to live up to your beleifs? you say “In Islam the law is there to protect society”, that’s true of all laws. so why not the death denalty for all crimes? “And, naturally speaking, you would never ever honestly get caught” a guess you have never been to a western country. like i said is video not proof. how about pregnacy? “In 1000 years when Islam first came, only 3 cases of stoning” why even one, if you’re not trying to set a precident? “All of them self confessions” didn’t you see the hadith about the jews. didn’t you say it was “their law” is not your law and their law the same?
“your facts from anti-Islamic sites” and ““version of the Quran”.” so the university of michigan and the university of southern california are “anti-Islamic sites”. as for asked and answered, that is that first time anyone said they are in favor of stoning. if that is what you said, still not sure? you can’t give a yes on no? but yes richard and dueceprez have both said they are in favor of lashing fornicators. but the reason for asking the same question is like taking a poll. seriously? “Every single post you make it’s about the same thing” no one ever answered if arabs still drink camel urine as a medicine, or what it cures. also you portend to be privy to ever post i make. perhaps you missed one? as for “go to an Islamic forums and ask your questions there” i thought that is where i’m at? if not plaese direct me to one.
What this person done was wrong and is actually against the teachings of Christianty and Jesus – but what he believed was correct.
He is very correct in regards to present day policy of political correctness the inabilty and fear of politicians and the polictical system to actually address the bullying and fear tactics which muslims have laid upon Europe and the Western World.
So long as this inbalance where muslims are allowed to bully the west and society to force their religion and view on others more and more this reaction will take place. Its a sad but true fact, you can only oppress the majority for so long before they will rise up against you.
Please also note, one should go to islamic countries and see how they treat their minorities there – it will really be an eye opener. Muslims cry discrimination in the west but you should see what they do to non-muslims in islamic countries. If a 9/11 attack had happened in lets say Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia or some other Islamic country carried out by some Jewish, Hindu or Christian group what do you think would happen to the minorities there in them countries. Even without such provocations they are brutalized, murdered and raped.
Apostacy: If a muslim converts to another religion it is punishable by death, but its okay for others to convert to Islam. If a muslim converts someone to their faith it is okay, but if you convert a muslim it is considered an insult to Islam and can be punishable by death. I have known many people who have run in fear of their lives becuase of this and also many who were killed because of this.
There are many things wrong with Islam and that is the sad truth. I’m not talking about people doing bad things and twisting it, no, you will always get that in every religion or group – i’m talking about what Islam actually teaches and its that and teachings of The Prophet (PBUH) and his actions which I have issue with and i will restrict my arguements to that basis only.
You must also remember that although there are alot of good teachings in the early part of the Qu’ran that there is the accepted doctrine that what follwed later has presidence of what took place earlier. If I am incorrect on any of this please feel free to comment for i will post the findings by Islamic Schools and Scholars who abide by these rulings and are accepted world wide. So If The Messenger (PBUH) done one thing early on but then done another thing to contradict what was done earlier – then the later action is valid and the early one becomes invalid or void. Like a local court and then it is over-rulled by the Appeals or Supreme Court.
I will of course provide actuall instance from the 2 Holy Books which define and guide Islam and provide references. I will not distort or take out of context and will always listen to my fellow counterparts point of view and their facts with respect and focus.
I hope no more people get hurt due to this and hope the european extremists will not go to do such evil things – they might as well convert to Islam and join Al’Quade. But as a realist I know this will escalate, but as a people we must not succumb to such threats of violence and intimidation wheather they come from radical Islam or the Far Right.
I am from Iraq so I have seen both worlds – east and west and know both of their good points and bad.
Peace be with you
I have long believed that the THIRD WORLD WAR will be a religious one ~~
And that it will be fought in suburbia , neighbour against neighbour.
My condolences to the family of the innocent victims, who where murdered in cold blood at the hands this terrorist beast.
Mike the IS.. Thanks for your input for me about this creepy video made by this obviously sick person who end up murdering douzens of innocent lives. And who obviously developped a ferocious hate of islam and muslims not inlike the one of his “forefathers” from the medieval times. I don’t know if you’r been sarcastic or not with your comment above, about the video, but this is a serious case of what that kind of hate can make an unstable person do.
You may not like to admit it, but they are plenty who thinks exactly like him in the western world today about multi-culturalim, especially about muslims, whether they are immigrant or europen born muslims, and who would gladly ethnic cleanse evey muslims (and anyone who support them, mainly liberals) from europe, if they had the chance, the means, and the full support of the “white christians” for their “perfect solution” of their “muslim problem”.
We all khow that in there “notion of superiority”, for them in order to be accepted as “europens” or “westerns”, worthy of their respect as petriots, one can not be other than “white” and “christian”.
But a lot of people are wondering as to why he didnt like say blow up a mosque full of worshipers, or go on a rambage shooting of muslims gathering, giving his hate of islam and muslims, for because his anti-multiculturalism ideology was mainly about them, and instead had to go and murder his fellow “white christians” including (the “futur” of europe as he put it in his creepy video) the childern, remain to be heard.
Maybe in this twisted mind he wanted to “cut off the head of the ‘snake'” wich is seems to be in his eyes the liberals who are apparently “helping” muslims to “distroy” his “perfect version” of the west, so that others phsychopaths like him, will follow in his footsteps and take care of the by then “defenceless” “muslim problem”.
But anyway sadly they are plenty of phsychopaths, murders, criminals, from every walks of life, from every religion, from any society, who will use any means including religion, to let loose of their murderers, twisted, sick ideas and put them into actions. Criminal minds have no borders.
so do you argee with the bible?
did you see where i questioned your stat on charitable giving? do you have any evidence to back up your claim? shoot that is a repeat question. oh well. as for 3 stonings in the first 1000 years. what about the last 400 years? also how are you privy to all of history. you sure someone might not have been stoned and the action not recorded? also how in the world can you say “the highest standard of living recorded in history happened during the time the 5th Caliphate”. i’ve got air conditioning dude.
from the “anti-islamic” website defend the prophet http://www.faithinallah.org/sahih-bukhari-book-82-punishment-of-disbelievers-at-war-with-allah-and-his-apostle/
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 803:
from ‘Ali when the latter stoned a lady to death on a Friday. ‘Ali said, “I have stoned her according to the tradition of Allah’s Apostle.”
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 804:
Narrated Ash Shaibani:
I asked ‘Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, ‘Did Allah’s Apostle carry out the Rajam penalty ( i.e., stoning to death)?’ He said, “Yes.” I said, “Before the revelation of Surat-ar-Nur or after it?” He replied, “I don’t Know.”
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 805:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah Al-Ansari:
A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Apostle and Informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Apostle ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 806:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Allah’s Apostle while he was in the mosque, and he called him, saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.'” The Prophet turned his face to the other side, but that man repeated his statement four times, and after he bore witness against himself four times, the Prophet called him, saying, “Are you mad?” The man said, “No.” The Prophet said, “Are you married?” The man said, “Yes.” Then the Prophet said, ‘Take him away and stone him to death.” Jabir bin ‘Abdullah said: I was among the ones who participated in stoning him and we stoned him at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but we over took him at Al-Harra and stoned him to death.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah’s Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. “What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?” They replied, “Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said, “O Allah’s Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah.” The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, “Lift up your hand.” Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah’s Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn ‘Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 813:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
When Ma’iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, “Probably you have only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?” He said, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet said, using no euphemism, “Did you have sexual intercourse with her?” The narrator added: At that, (i.e. after his confession) the Prophet ordered that he be stoned (to death).
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 814:
A man from among the people, came to Allah’s Apostle while Allah’s Apostle was sitting in the mosque, and addressed him, saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed an illegal sexual intercourse.” The Prophet turned his face away from him. The man came to that side to which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed an illegal intercourse.” The Prophet turned his face to the other side, and the man came to that side, and when he confessed four times, the Prophet called him and said, “Are you mad?” He said, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet said, “Are you married?” He said, “Yes, O Allah’s Apostle.” The Prophet said (to the people), “Take him away and stone him to death.” Ibn Shihab added, “I was told by one who heard Jabir, that Jabir said, ‘I was among those who stoned the man, and we stoned him at the Musalla (‘Id praying Place), and when the stones troubled him, he jumped quickly and ran away, but we overtook him at Al-Harra and stoned him to death (there).’ ”
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 815:
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid:
While we were with the Prophet , a man stood up and said (to the Prophet ), “I beseech you by Allah, that you should judge us according to Allah’s Laws.” Then the man’s opponent who was wiser than him, got up saying (to Allah’s Apostle) “Judge us according to Allah’s Law and kindly allow me (to speak).” The Prophet said, “‘Speak.” He said, “My son was a laborer working for this man and he committed an illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, and I gave one-hundred sheep and a slave as a ransom for my son’s sin. Then I asked a learned man about this case and he informed me that my son should receive one hundred lashes and be exiled for one year, and the man’s wife should be stoned to death.” The Prophet said, “By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your one-hundred sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive one-hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death.” Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816:
‘Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” ‘Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.”
150,000 people gather in the center of Oslo.
This is how you show your oppostition to terroists.
Europeans have done themsevles proud and honored the memory of the victims.
no a wasn’t being sacrastic when refering to him as comparable to a crusader. it’s funny, some of your post you talk about terrorism not having a religion, and terrorists exist in all groups. i agree totally, and you seem to be so reasonable most times, but then you threw out the crusades and hitler and it kind of made me laugh. you also said that christians beleive their religion to be superior and that’s laughable. don’t all religions by their nature believe to know the “one truth” or the “one true god”? so is islam superior to christianity?
as for your paragraph “You may not like to admit it….” that’s not hard to admit. many white’s have been trying to keep non-whites out of the west for a long time. my european history is not too strong, but in america i’ve heard of the anti-chinese immigration act, the kkk, the internment of japanesse americans during ww2, the aryan brotherhood, etc.
as for why he attacked the government as opposed to a mosque. you’re right he is looking for governmental policy changes, and unfortunately terrorism has been successfull in the past at achiving government policy changes, especially in europe.
where are you from in iraq. do you identify yourself with a particular group of iraqis?
as for “You must also remember that although there are alot of good teachings in the early part of the Qu’ran that there is the accepted doctrine that what follwed later has presidence of what took place earlier.” so are you saying that stoning of adulterers is abrogated (naskh) in the koran or hadiths? yes please point out where. also, if i remeber correctly in “the message of the qur’an” translated and explained by muhammad asad, asad claims abrogation to be a false concept.
anyways, good to hear from an iraqi, i’m sure you’ll bring an interesting viewpoint to the conversation, if you choose.
The first post I read was we must forgive him so I skipped to comments. No forgiveness is my opinion. I want to know where he got the money to buy a bullet, how he supported himself and built an arsenal like that. Then I want to strap him to a chair and tape his eyelids back. Then I want a .22 pistol with the names of the 76 dead engraved on every one of those innocents on every 76 bullets and start with his little finger. The last one in his head. But hey, I might have been on a nice day out in Norway and forgot my umbrella or whatever.
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