Sunday, September 25, 2016   

  Home     About     Guest Editorials     Advertise     Blog     Site Map     Links     Contact      Subscribe RSS      Subscribe Email  
Home » WhatIfTheyWereMuslim

Some Catholics Still Believe in a Geocentric Universe

Some Catholics Still Believe in a Geocentric Universe

Should all Catholics be judged by this fringe group who are challenging modern science? What if they were Muslim? There would be ceaseless discussion about how Islam is incompatible with science and modernity. (hat tip: Ahmed)

Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

(The West Australian)

Scientists have got it wrong – Earth really is the centre of the universe, according to a group of staunch Catholics who refuse to believe otherwise.

“A few conservative Roman Catholics are pointing to a dozen Bible verses and the church’s original teachings as proof that Earth is the centre of the universe, the view that was at the heart of the church’s clash with Galileo Galilei four centuries ago,” The Chicago Tribune has reported.

“The relatively obscure movement has gained a following among those who find comfort in knowing there are still staunch defenders of early church doctrine.

“By challenging modern science, proponents of a geocentric universe are challenging the very church they seek to serve and protect.

“Those promoting geocentrism argue that heliocentrism, or the centuries-old consensus among scientists that Earth revolves around the sun, is a conspiracy to squelch the church’s influence.”

Robert Sungenis, the leader of a movement urging scientists to reconsider their opinion, said believing in heliocentrism was dangerous.

“False information leads to false ideas, and false ideas lead to illicit and immoral actions – thus the state of the world today,” Mr Sungenis told The Tribune.

“Prior to Galileo, the church was in full command of the world, and governments and academia were subservient to her.”

Astrophysicists at Catholic university Notre Dame in the United States said there was good reason why the concept of geocentrism was extinct.

“It’s an idea whose time has come and gone,” astrophysics professor Peter Garnavich told The Tribune.

“There are some people who want to move the world back to the 1950s when it seemed like a better time. These are people who want to move the world back to the 1250s.”

Professor Garnavich said geocentrism “violates what he believes should be a strict separation of church and science”, according to The Tribune.

“One answers why, the other answers how, and never the twain should meet.”

Share/Bookmark




13 Comments »

  1. “Prior to Galileo, the church was in full command of the world,” what world are they taking about????????? the mayans, incas and aztecs were all catholic???????? ya’ll crack me up. how about the zulu, hindus, shintos and buddists? catholics as well. your deflection of what is most crazy within the abrahamic faiths is hilarious.

    ““It’s an idea whose time has come and gone,”” true of all religious doctrine, don’t you think?????? shit my bad, you need to believe in angels and cover your beauty. give your daughter half as much as your sons because men are the “protectors and maintainers of women”. nothing outdated by that concept. oh yeah women are “unclean” when menstrating. you need to say god is great before you slaughter an animal??????? really?? sounds kind of paganistic to me???? you need to wash your feet before you pray? in the west we have paved over most places you go. we invented shoes? nothing outdated there, right?????

    ““False information leads to false ideas, and false ideas lead to illicit and immoral actions – thus the state of the world today,” Mr Sungenis told The Tribune.” sounds like suicide bombers and osama bin ladens interprtation of the koran. is that what he meant by the state of the world today? that muslims blow themselves up and others with them every week????

    ““There are some people who want to move the world back to the 1950s when it seemed like a better time. These are people who want to move the world back to the 1250s.”” sounds like “False information leads to false ideas, and false ideas lead to illicit and immoral actions – thus the state of the world today,” Mr Sungenis told The Tribune. so by state of the world today he means the constant bombings in the islamic world? sounds like wahabist and salafist along with the catholics and evangelicals?

    “Professor Garnavich said geocentrism “violates what he believes should be a strict separation of church and science”, according to The Tribune.” all for seperation of church and science and church and state, is that possible under islam??????

    sorry i can’t stop laughing at this article…..

  2. Mike

    I think they meant the Catholic church, the roman catholics, they thought they ran everything and they could do whatever they pleased

  3. “You can’t have science without religion and you can’t have religion without science.”~Albert Einstein

  4. “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. ”

    I can quote Einstein, too, Ellie. He said quite a lot of vague things in his day, big whoop.

    Dangerous ideas should always be judged and weighed carefully with heavy hearts. It’s not that Catholics should be judged as a whole, but that their core beliefs examined with close scrutiny.

    RA

  5. elle,

    i took it to mean the Roman Catholic Church. and yes they may have thought they where in control of the whole earth. but they where wrong, right. it’s kind of like alexandeer thought he conquered the whole earth. anyways the catholic church was very restrictive of science and knowledge, galileo was tried for heresy an excommunicated for his theory that the earth orbited the sun.

    great quote but you do know einstein has been known to be wrong. he disputed hubble’s theory of the universe expanding for like 20 years before he admitted he was wrong. anyways wasn’t einstein a diests. didn’t he believe that god wasn’t concerned with the actions of humans and that he certainly didn’t intevene, as in he sent no prophets?

  6. Einstein like all other humans made mistakes. BUT like science has proof, religion does too. Atoms take up everything right? hearts beat and thats why we have blood flows right? Rain comes from precipitation right? But who creates the atoms and their components? Who made the heart and leveled it and “timed” the beats to make a perfect “lup-dub”? Who made water vapor and and the idea of precipitation? And the animals biting jugulars by hanging the animals’ neck from their mouthes..

  7. And all I know about Einstein’s religous views was that people said he was jewish.

  8. elle,

    your tenacity is awesome. it gives great hope for future generations. but this is much like how can god be one with a son. the possibilities are endless.
    “But who creates the atoms and their components?” so who created god? he is the alpha and the omega, begoten not created, the creator of all that is seen and unseen????? so why can’t the atoms and the water vapor be begoten, not created, be the begining and the end? how about matter and dark matter colided to create the universe? or just a ball of energy imploded or exploded? i don’t know. nor do i pretend to know. the big bang is confusing enough. but once i remember watching the show Think Tank and they where talking about what is beyond the universe. i thought there was no beyond the universe. (by the way all those scientist believed in a “greater power”) quateum phsysics is way over my head. now there is string theory. fractals are extremely interesting. always been a big fan of symmetry, despite being a believer of chaos. but they say even in randomness there is a patern. how’s that for tangents.

    these things are all open for debate but please don’t make my bite your head of for this – “And the animals biting jugulars by hanging the animals’ neck from their mouthes” REALLY!!!!!

  9. The idea of the Holy Trinity, the idea that God is simultaneously the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost was confusing in school and I forget how they tried to explain it to us. But if you believe in a Creator theory, why is the Holy Trinity such a reach? If He can do all those wonderful things, why is being three people at once out of his capabilities. Personally, its wonderful to see things like the Fibonacci sequence in nature and a comfort to think that something/someone is out there waiting for us when our time here is through. But isn’t it just as wonderful that all of this was unplanned and a chain of reactions? My husband finds greater beauty in that than the idea of a Creator. He finds it a greater comfort that matter can not be destroyed and that when he dies he will become a part of everything else, even if he’s not himself anymore but just energy.

  10. It is always good to note that contrary to popular opinion, heliocentrism has never actually been proven; nor has geocentrism ever been disproven. The fact of the matter is that modern science is actually providing more evidence every day that the geocentric model is the true model. Some of the very best material on geocentrism can be found at http://www.galileowaswrong.blogspot.com and http://www.galileowaswrong.com. One can readily see that all the major objections to geocentrism are thoroughly refuted with hard scientific evidence.

    Christians would do well to take a look at http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html.

  11. Mike

    I used to think that, but then I realized…God doesn’t need to conform to our standards, because he isn’t limited like humans.

    We have short life spans, when a day passes us by, that’s it, it’s done. For us, time is important. But God created time, he lives forever, he doesn’t NEED time.

    Get me? It takes some thought.

  12. As muslims, we believe in science, but we believe it’s got origins, God created them.

  13. I conceive this website has got some rattling superb info for everyone. Dealing with network executives is like being nibbled to death by ducks. by Eric Sevareid. dgedeedccddb

Have your say!

Add your comment below, or trackback from your own site. You can also subscribe to these comments via RSS.

Be nice. Keep it clean. Stay on topic. No spam.

You can use these tags:
<a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>