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Bill O’Reilly Pins the Head of SJC Councilman Derek Reeve for Naming Family Dog Muhammad

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By Matt Coker Fri., Sep. 23 2011 at 1:09 PM

Bill O'Reilly

Bill O'Reilly

Time was, you’d have to wait for Keith Obermann to label a San Juan Capistrano city councilman who named his dog after the prophet Muhammad the World’s Worst Person. But Obermann is now on some channel you can’t find without a program guide, so it is up to another flaming liberal chatter to tar Councilman Derek Reeve as a “pinhead.”

Uh, check that: it was Obermann’s arch rival, Bill O’Reilly.

Voting on a local dog park at the Sept. 6 City Council meeting, Reeve let it slip that his pooches are named America and Muhammad. That prompted his colleagues to seek “decorum” at future council meetings–and the Greater Los Angeles office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in Anaheim to later seek an apology.

Derek Reeve

Derek Reeve

But Reeve has been unrepentant, explaining that he did not mean to offend Muslims but to teach his children about free speech, noting that in some parts of the Islamic world he could be put to death for naming his dog after the religion’s prophet.

Besides, the Pattersons across the street already took that name Saxnōt for their cockapoo.

Well, the whole dust-up prompted Papa Bear to put Reeve in the first category during The O’Reilly Factor‘s “Pinheads & Patriots” segment on Fox News Thursday. “Why offend Muslims if you don’t have to?” O’Reilly reasoned. “You want to teach your kids about intolerance, there are plenty of other ways to do it.”

Here’s the video:

Reacting via his Facebook page, Reeve wrote, “”I’m a pin head, lol.”

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  1. This is stupid. Anyone can name their dog Muhammad – they have a right to name their dog whatever they want. Just because he is in the public eye doesn’t mean he should have to apologize about it, nor do I think he should be looked upon critically. Reeve has the right of it – this isn’t Islamophobia, it’s free speech. I have half a mind to go buy a dog and name it Jesus.

  2. It isn’t islamophobic. It’s just a dog. It’s irrelevant if a Muslim is offended by a dog named Muhammad because it isn’t their dog, it’s Mr. Reeve’s dog. It’s obvious that this guy’s motives weren’t harmful, he shouldn’t be vilified for it. I don’t condone hate speech, but it’s painfully obvious that this isn’t hateful in any way.

  3. @Kara: “this isn’t Islamophobia, it’s free speech.”

    What are you implying? That Islamaphobia ISN’T free speech? Of course it is. Just because we don’t want the government preventing people from saying things doesn’t mean those people aren’t a-holes for saying those things.

  4. Kara

    I can understand the freedom of speech thing but he did it to spite Muslims. There’s a difference you know. Now I’ve heard of a white Muslim woman who taught in Sudan and got jailed for naming the class teddy bear Muhammad (stupid reason-I think she was praising him though) And no one is saying you can’t, Jesus was a beautiful soul as was Muhammad and Moses and every other messenger of God. But now imagine if a Muslim (who was known to hate Christians which is dumb because as Muslims we are supposed t accept Christians and Jews as our cousins in faith) so a crazy batty racist Muslim guy decides to buy a dog-or a pig, and name him Jesus (isa in Arabic-its what arabic Christians call him so it’s not a made up name) c’mon, do you think that’s acceptable. I dont.

  5. Libel and slander are illegal in the United States even though we have free speech enshrined in the Constitution. And decent people don’t go around picking fights. I am BEYOND TIRED of bigots hiding behind free speech to justify being hateful, and then those very same people scream for Bill Maher’s head when he dares suggest the 9/11 terrorists weren’t cowards. (They probably weren’t. Ever had the guts to fly a plane into a skyscraper? You’d be scared to do it, wouldn’t you?) If you use your First Amendment rights for actual political speech, you risk societal disapproval, jail time, or worse, even in this “free country.” Pardon me if I cry no tears for an idiot who misnames his dog.

  6. How does libel or slander apply in this case? As a matter of law a long dead prophet has no legal standing in America. The dog was also private property and can be named whatever its owner wants.Muslims who choose to live in secular societies will need to “grow thicker skins” and learn to adapt to the reality of freedom of speech.

  7. Hera,

    I realy would like to see the reaction of christians if one called his pig or dog JEsus.
    We Muslims will not do that as we will give out lives for JEsus peace be upon him. but I am curious to see the reaction of non islamic world.

    Look at this Reeves he looks like if he has sclerosis, You Dick head. Oh sorry this is freedom of speech too

  8. He looks like ungrown embryo

  9. I was as upset as the man in the article by what I considered Muslim intimidation tactics when it came to being able to present a cartoon of Mohammad in the papers or depicting him on South Park. A show, by the way, who disrespects Jesus on a regular basis. I felt like the United States and parts of Europe gave up on an important aspect of our freedoms simply because people were making threats. It made me want to draw pictures of Mohammad everywhere. The story about the teacher and the teddy bear was heartbreaking, and the burning of the Bibles in Afghanistan exemplifies the double standard Muslims seem to feel about the burning of a Holy book from another faith. One on this forum may agree that the burning of Bibles is bad, but was there a lead article how much outrage was actually vented in the course of these mass burnings?

    My point? perhaps this man is just upset by his perceived belief that the United States is backing away from supporting key concepts in our constitution and he simply wants to make his stand in support of free speech and to make the point he will not be cowed by threats or even possible loss of status. My question is this; will you simply be angry with him and call him names or using your personal insights would you attempt to engage this man and attempt to change how he reacts, to what he may consider, attacks on his core beliefs.

  10. Sorry the above comment was not complete: Here is the complete comment.

    Jesus has been depicted as a gay man having sex with his disciples, He has been depicted as a criminal, various art works have mocked him and various literature works have debased him in many way including representing him as a vampire or an inept super hero. Usually some Christens try to form a boycott, but mostly we simply state our opinions and leave it alone as the price we pay for freedom to speak and worship as we please. In some cases, such as the vampire example, the author later becomes a Christian and regrets what they have done.

    Its my personal belief that events of this type actually lead to clarity and a new way to focus on why people believe and behave the way they do. That understanding may lead to breakthroughs in how to approach these people and get your message across. Of course it may not, but it never hurts to understand opposing views and why people hold them.

    I was as upset as the man in the article by what I considered Muslim intimidation tactics when it came to being able to present a cartoon of Mohammad in the papers or depicting him on South Park. A show, by the way, who disrespects Jesus on a regular basis. I felt like the United States and parts of Europe gave up on an important aspect of our freedoms simply because people were making threats. It made me want to draw pictures of Mohammad everywhere. The story about the teacher and the teddy bear was heartbreaking, and the burning of the Bibles in Afghanistan exemplifies the double standard Muslims seem to feel about the burning of a Holy book from another faith. One on this forum may agree that the burning of Bibles is bad, but was there a lead article how much outrage was actually vented in the course of these mass burnings?

    My point? perhaps this man is just upset by his perceived belief that the United States is backing away from supporting key concepts in our constitution and he simply wants to make his stand in support of free speech and to make the point he will not be cowed by threats or even possible loss of status. My question is this; will you simply be angry with him and call him names or using your personal insights would you attempt to engage this man and attempt to change how he reacts, to what he may consider, attacks on his core beliefs.

  11. Well I call him what ever I think he is, Remember freedom of speech.
    According to your approach if I start calling you Pig or if your parents passed away and I call them names,then this should not bother you as I am only supporting my freedom of speech. Number one, I wil not call you or your parents names I was giving an example to help you judge your feelings with what you are saying about the prophets.

    Now regarding Prophet jesus, I guess insulting him is a lesser sin than trying to crusify him alive.
    You see the muslims never tried to insult or crusify a prophet, so what ever bad is said about them is hurtful

    Freedom of speech should have limits, or each others or parents by animals names should also be ok

  12. My point Salim is to simply open a dialog with people you disagree with and try to understand their point of view. You may never agree with them or their actions but it will give you a handle on how to deal with them. As to the freedom of speech issue, I would rather someone call my family and myself animal names then to lose that right. I think I can handle the name calling but the loss or limit of that freedom would really bother me.

  13. @Criley…..So you wouldn’t mind Then if someone make a cartoon depicting jesus as a ‘homosexual pedophile’, molesting young boys in churchs, in connection to the homosexual pedophilia scandales of church leaders.
    Or you wouldn’t mind then, if someone depicted jesus as a nazi commander, slauthering millions of jews and putting them in the ovens in the concentration camps, Cause lets never forget nazis were christians and so are those despicable church leaders.

    So would it be fair to jesus if we make him responsible for those crimes committed by the loonatic fringe of christianity, who claim to follow him, and thus depict him as such? No of course Not.
    Would it be fair to hold responsible all christians around the world and make them pay, for the sins and evil deeds of some christians evildoers? No, of course it wouldn’t be fair at all. Well the same fairness and standard should be hold for the muslims around the world and for Prophet Muhammad. peace.

  14. Of course I would care but he has already been depicted as many of those things and there is nothing I can do about it unless I want to go out and start shooting or beating the people who do so. I am not willing to do that, I mean what would I say to them before I shot them something like: “Jesus Loves You” or “Jesus is Lord” and then just kill them in his name? Somehow I do not think God has given me that right or responsibility. I do know that God has given all of us the ability to choose between good and evil and right from wrong. He has set Nations over us so that we can live under a lawful society and experience freedoms that cannot exist without governments. Governments enforce laws and God Judges actions. As a Christian we have been given a commission to go forth and teach all nations, this commission comes with a set of behaviors that help to exemplify the Christian by the following of these strictures. One of those behaviors or rules is to Judge not lest ye be judged. It does not refer to defining a behavior as right or wrong but to judging a person to be beyond redemption and deciding that gods teaching will not help that person. When you shoot or kill someone in the name of God you are judging that person as not being worthy of God’s grace. You have decided not to minister to that person as commanded but to end that person’s life thus denying or attempting to deny the person’s chance at salvation.

    So in final response to the comment. I will go with freedom of speech and given an opportunity to minister to the individuals involved who attempt to desecrate the name of Jesus I will do so as that is what we, as Christians, have been commanded to do.

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  16. “So in final response to the comment. I will go with freedom of speech and given an opportunity to minister to the individuals involved who attempt to desecrate the name of Jesus I will do so as that is what we, as Christians, have been commanded to do”

    I agree, we muslims as well have been commanded to do the same. If you know a little of the history of Islam, you’ll notice that the Prophet has been subject to insults, he’s been spat on, he seen thrown rubbish at his face ect.. from various group, i’m sure it was the same for Jesus(peace be upon him) at his time. But both of them taught constraint and understanding even for those who insult and hurt us most.

    But what i dont understand is why some christians in this day and age, feel the need to attack and demonize Islam and desecrate its Prophet, from the time of the crusades, to orientalism writers, to islamophobia in its present form… Why some christians feel the need to rush and link every little thing a muslim does, immediately to Islam and its Prophet, baffles me.
    Because you know what? If some crazy muslims were to do the same, and were to use the same disgusting tactics used by anti-Islam/anti-muslims bigots, trust me they’ll have plenty of materials to demonize christianity and its son of god. But then again you will never see muslims demonizing and desecrating Jesus, because we muslims believe him to be one of the greatest messenger of Allah(a.k.a God) a long side Moses, Abraham, Muhammad (peace be upon them all). No muslim is a muslim if he disrespect, disregard and desecrate any of them. Perhaps christians should also stop desecrating Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) and also stop demonizing Islam and muslims, and should go back to the respectfull, peacefull teachings of Jesus(peace be upon him)……………. Peace

  17. sahra

    well said

  18. @ZT: I am not implying that people aren’t free to make as many racist comments as they want. But in this case, there is nothing Islamophobic about Reeve practicing his 1st amendment rights.

    @Elle: I don’t think you understand me correctly. I made the analogy of naming my dog Jesus because I’m atheist. I don’t believe in Jesus and I don’t believe in God. But a name is a name and I can still use it.

    My point being to live and let live. Stop getting your panties in a bunch over things that people do that have ABSOLUTELY no effect on the rest of the community. If someone beats up a Muslim for no reason other than their faith, THAT is Islamophobia. If someone won’t hire you based on religious discrimination, THAT is Islamophobia. If someone names their dog Muhammad, THAT is free speech. This distinction needs to be made. Reeve may very well be Islamophobic, but unless he’s going out there and hurting these people, who cares?

  19. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX3UHNhQ1Zk

    Something everyone should see. If you wanna understand Islam, don’t watch Glenn Beck, watch this. You’ll learn the Arab’s history, and the Muslim history. Very cool, very accurate.

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