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Muslim Savior of Holocaust Jews

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The film tells the story of Benghabrit, the founder of the Grand Mosque of Paris, in rescuing Jews from the Nazis

The film tells the story of Benghabrit, the founder of the Grand Mosque of Paris, in rescuing Jews from the Nazis

CAIRO – Delving into untold stories of the Holocaust, a new film is shedding the light on heroism of Muslims who risked their lives to rescue Jews from the Nazi brutality.

“This film is an event,” Benjamin Stora, France’s pre-eminent historian on North Africa, told The New York Times.

“Much has been written about Muslim collaboration with the Nazis. But it has not been widely known that Muslims helped Jews.”

The film, “Free Man”, traces the heroism of the founder of the Grand Mosque of Paris in saving Jews from the Nazis.

It tells the story of Algerian-born Kaddour Benghabrit who rescued Jews in France from the Nazi brutality.

Benghabrit provided shelter and Muslim identification documents to scores of Jews to help them escape arrest by Nazi troops.

He also used the Grand Mosque of Paris to shelter more than 100 Jews from persecution.

Despite hiding Jews inside, Benghabrit used to give mosque tours to German officers and their wives to deceive them.

The movie premiered this week in France after four years of travel and research. It is also to be released in the Netherlands, Switzerland and Belgium.

According to Encyclopedia Britannica, the Holocaust refers to “systematic state-sponsored killing of Jewish men, women, and children and others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II.”

The commonly used figure for the number of Jewish victims is six million.

But the figure has been questioned by many European historians and intellectuals, chiefly French author Roger Garaudy.

Muslim Heroes

Stora says that there are many untold stories about Muslim heroism to save Jews from the Nazis.

“There are still stories to be told, to be written,” he said.

Director Ismael Ferroukhi says that he encountered many stories about Muslim heroism during the film making.

One account came from Albert Assouline, a North African Jew who escaped from a German prison camp.

Assouline said that more than 1,700 resistance fighters, including Jews, found refuge in the mosque’s underground caverns, and that the imam provided many Jews with certificates of Muslim identity.

The film comes almost five years after Robert Satloff, director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, revealed in his 2006 book, “Among the Righteous,” stories of Arabs who saved Jews during the Holocaust.

The book included a chapter on the Grand Mosque of Paris.

“One has to separate the myth from the fact,” Satloff told The New York Times.

“The number of Jews protected by the mosque was probably in the dozens, not the hundreds,” he said.

“But it is a story that carries a powerful political message and deserves to be told.”

Satloff recalled a 1940 Foreign Ministry document shown to him by the current mosque rector Dalil Boubakeur about the Nazi suspicions of the mosque’s role in sheltering Jews.

“The chief imam was summoned, in a threatening manner, to put an end to all such practices,” the document says.

The mosque’s role in sheltering Jews from the Nazis was explored by a television documentary tilted “A Forgotten Resistance: The Mosque of Paris” in 1991.

Another children’s book “The Grand Mosque of Paris: A Story of How Muslims Saved Jews During the Holocaust,” published in 2007, also highlighted the mosque’s role.

Ferroukhi, the director, urges the France government to take the film about the Muslim heroism to schools.

“It pays homage to the people of our history who have been invisible,” he said.

“It shows another reality, that Muslims and Jews existed in peace. We have to remember that — with pride.”

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  1. There are a few instances of muslims saving Jews during WW2, which considering the koran is surprising. Thankfully some sanity prevailed during those horrible times and credit must be given to the muslims who had the courage to stand up for what was right.

    However that’s not the whole story and in the interest of keeping history honest and not whitewashed or rewritten as appears to be happening on the internet, I offer this information.

    The Arab.muslim nazi connection
    http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

    Photo proof of muslim /nazi connection
    http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

    Hitler’s Muslim Legions
    http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

    The nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism
    http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm

  2. Where is Mr Anonymous? I would like to see what you will have to say. May be all this history is a lie?

  3. My comment is awaiting moderation, the question is, do they have the courage to print the truth I’ve posted . I ‘ve been waiting since yesterday.

  4. I’m going to try and post that comment a different way and the website addy’s will have to follow, one at a time in separate e-mails.

    There are a few instances of muslims saving Jews during WW2, which considering the koran is surprising. Thankfully some sanity prevailed during those horrible times and credit must be given to the muslims who had the courage to stand up for what was right.
    However that’s not the whole story and in the interest of keeping history honest and not whitewashed or rewritten as appears to be happening on the internet, I offer this information.

    The Arab.muslim nazi connection
http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

  5. Photo proof of muslim /nazi connection
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

  6. Hitler’s Muslim Legions

    
http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

  7. The nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism

    
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm

  8. This “Hitler’s Islamic Legions” codswallop has gone far enough. The great majority of Bosnian Muslims who signed up with the Waffen SS did so out of a conviction they were helping rid the world of Communism. There is no evidence of Bosnians running death camps or participating in deportations of Jews in Yugoslavia. Practically all of that was done by Croats and Serbs, especially the former. On the other hand, hypocrites like Anonymous probably would never mention the thousands of Muslims in the British Indian Army or the Free French Army under De Gaulle that laid down their lives fighting the Germans and the Japanese in that war.

  9. TO Anonymous.

    As a Muslim you only fight for the just cause under the banner of Islam. Now I have checked the last link you have posted. if it says that 100 000 Muslims fought along the Nazi, then I can tell you that this is a story without any basis. We have heard of north African helping the french against the Germans since those were transgressors but never heard of Muslims fighting along side the Germans.
    Now assuming those 100 000 did? Do we accuse Islam or the quran or a sane person would accuse those who joined. Absolutely nothing to do with the religion itself and if those did and died, then If they were not forced to go fight, I can only say that may Allah has mercy on their souls, because the cause of war for which they have given their life for is not Islamic.

    I guess you need to educate yourself a little bit more, something you will find in the following site.

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/search/jihad/AllWords/t,q,a

    Now if you like pointing fingers at Muslims, you know I am a Muslim, Are you a jew or a christian or Atheist or other?

    I guess if you are a man with just cause, then surely you should point the finger at Izrael the NAZI of all times

    See what Islam

  10. Evil was all that could be said of the Nazi regime. Many people of different beliefs were sucked into that madness be it Islamic peoples or Christian peoples. But the same can be said for goodness and sanity as people with the same belief sets but different values and moral courage helped stem the depth of these atrocities however they could and with great risks to themselves and family. So what if 100k + Muslims stood behind Hitler, how many Christians and people of other faiths stood behind him? How many people threw their faith away and contributed to these murders from fear or apathy? Even the Jewish people themselves acted from fear lack of willingness to help their neighbors for fear of something bad was going to happen to them. It was shameful in many ways but considering the numbers and educational levels of the people involved plus their awareness of social responsibility the word shame does not even begin to probe the depths of the atrocities and the lack of action by “good people”.

    The bright spots during these times, people such as Benghabrit, who risked everything to help the helpless should be celebrated. Regardless of religion they are the type of people we should all aspire to and hope to be when that evil returns to us in whatever form it takes. He and all the others that refused to cower are what I want to be when faced with difficult choices, though I hope the opportunity never presents itself.

    I am a Christian and I disagree with the Islamic religion in many respects but I do believe that this man made God proud. I wonder, however, about the writer of this article who decided to disseminate about the number of people killed by Hitler in his death camps by this statement.

    “The commonly used figure for the number of Jewish victims is six million.

    But the figure has been questioned by many European historians and intellectuals, chiefly French author Roger Garaudy”

    I do not think that Mr. Benghabrit would approve of such a slant and would consider it just a touch of that darkness that allowed so many people to be slaughtered.

  11. Considering the high regard in which the Jewish people are held by Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur’an, it is not surprising that at least some Muslims saved Jews during the Holocaust. This certainly needs to be publicized. I only wonder what is the purpose in the article of casting doubt on the number of Jews killed by the Nazis.

  12. Actually muslims albanians were among the ones that saved the most jews. You should add links of that to the article In fact Albania was the only country in Europe in which the Jewish population was greater after the war than prior.

    Also millions of muslims from nigeria, indonesia, pakistan etc fought in the war. Against the nazis…I guess they did that because they hate jews (sarcasm). It’s funny how the islamic faith is claimed to be nazi collaborator because a single mufti in Jerusalem choose to ally with the naziz. The mufti is off course in now way a spokesperson for the islamic faith, yet all Muslims must take blame for HIS decision. The fact that the ties and collaboration between the Catholic Church and various protestant churces were far more numerous and extensive, yet nobody would blame Christianty for it…seems there are different standards for different faiths and muslims are judged far more harsh for far less a crime

  13. @ Salim

    Your statement that ” ….then surely you should point the finger at Izrael the NAZI of all times” displays your complete and utter ignorance, hatefulness and bigotry. You have learned your lessons well, since birth, no doubt. I am always appalled by people like you who try to equate the Israelis with the scum that massacred them during the holocaust (with the help of the mufti and muslims). It is the height of ignorance and unadulterated hatred. Instead of being ashamed it’s obvious you revel in it.

    You and I both know that the closest thing to a nazi these days is an orthodox practicing muslim and the only thing worse than any nazi is a radical islamist.

  14. Actually several of South Africas politcians including it’s prime minister (if I remember coorrectly) were nazis. And Israel was allied with apartheid SA while these people were in power. And sure Israel knew their past.

    With that said even holocaust survivors (and jews who are not racist or overly nationalistic/religous) have complained about Israel and they way it operates. Do you remember the incidents where Israeli soldiers forced palestinians musicians to sing and play in ordre to be allowed to pass thorugh check points ? Guess what the nazis used to do. And guess what the holocaust survivors thought. Funny thing is that soldiers in question didn’t even know that nazis did the same thing. They simply acted on it.

    I happen to know many ortodox practcing muslims and there is nothing nazi about them. Obviosuly your the kind of person that calls everything a nazi (or commonust or terrorist). Regardless of.

  15. Anonymous,
    (after reading this, quote your source, and show me the Quranic verses you think seem to give Muslims the ok to fight against Christians and Jews without reason) The Quran invites Muslims, Jews, and Christians to sit down and discuss religion together peacefully, 3:61
    It is not my problem if you don’t understand the interpretation of the Quran. God places a seal on the hearts of those who choose to disbelieve. If you choose to go to bigot websites like http://www.thereligionofpeace.com then nobody can help you.

    Your comment, “There are a few instances of muslims saving Jews during WW2, which considering the koran is surprising.” The Quran does not give Muslims the permission to kill Jews or Christians. Some people like to suggest that since Muslims view Jews and Christians as polytheists that this means the Quran is giving Muslims permission to kill Jews and Christians. YOU ARE WRONG this is not orthodox Islam. The Jews and the Christians have very detailed names in the Quran. For example the Christians are called “Nasara” and the Jews are called “Yahudi” or as a tribe “Bani Israel” and when the Quran refers to both Jews and Christians it uses the term “Ahlul Kitab” or “People of the Book”. The Quran never tells Muslims to kill anyone for no reason or simply because they disbelieve.
    The Quran allows Muslims to fight back in self defense. It tell Muslims to never surrender to the enemies that fight us (but grant peace if the enemies surrenders first). There are many guidelines, but one of the most repeated verses is for Muslims not to be transgressors (to not go beyond the limits) because God does not like transgressors. Quoting stories like how some Muslims decide to join the Nazis shows the extremism of Islam is also more ignorance. The first Crusaders carried out violence in the name of Christianity with 60,000 soilders. They killed ppl from all different kinds of religion (lol, even other Christians), to call them Christian is laughable. Plz don’t stereotype with Islam and Nazis.

  16. Mr Anonymous!

    What is a non radical Muslim? Just give us your definition so that we try your new religion! Idiot!

  17. To Mr Anonymous,

    You know well that the terrorist of all time are the children os Izrael!
    You have even tried to crusify Jesus peace be upon him alive! Praise be to Allah that he was taken out before you lot did what you planned!

    Now they are killing innocent women and children in Palestine and then they go to cry to the Media! You know you are a liar I do not need to point at anything!

  18. @ Salim ………..You opened the door by stating that ” ….then surely you should point the finger at Izrael the NAZI of all times”

    Here are some of the similarities between islam and naziism
    * goal to rule the world
    * annihilation of the Jews
    *murder/execution of homosexuals
    * belief that it is a “superior group”
    * efforts to criminalize free speech about the “special group”
    * lack of respect for human life
    * indoctrination and brainwashing of children in hatred for other groups
    *skillful use of completely dishonest propaganda
    * belief in an all encompassing (and destructive) ideology

  19. @ salim… You said: ‘” Now they are killing innocent women and children in Palestine and then they go to cry to the Media! You know you are a liar I do not need to point at anything!”

    We both know that most if not all of the killing Israel undertakes is defensive and rarely if ever offensive. The fakestinians have been offered numerous peace deals which they have refused and countered with attacks and violence. A simple search of the internet will give you the proof you ignore.

    The “Palestinians”: 31 opportunities for statehood squandered in favor of Genocide
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/the-palestinians-31-opportunities-for-statehood-squandered-in-favor-of-genocide.html

  20. Humanitarian Crisis Gaza: GDP Up 15%, Mercedes, Jacuzzis Being Imported
    http://undhimmi.com/2011/07/04/humanitarian-crisis-gaza-gdp-up-15-mercedes-jacuzzis-being-imported/

  21. Starving “Palestinians”
    http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=21265

  22. @ Salim ….. You said: What is a non radical Muslim? Just give us your definition so that we try your new religion! Idiot!

    I don’t know, you tell me , what is a non radical muslim? Is there such a thing?

    I know there are supposed to be moderate muslims, although we never really hear from them. I know there is only one islam.

    An orthodox muslim, to me follows the tenets and demands of the koran, hadith and sura and tries to emulate the “perfect”man. In other words they obey the imams, the sharia and their “religion”.

    What some kuffar call “radical islamists” are just muslims who follow the trilogy to the letter and wage jihad until everyone submits to islam. That’s how I understand it.

  23. @ Muhd Bennett…..You said: “The Quran does not give Muslims the permission to kill Jews or Christians.”

    I’m not a religious scholar but here are a few quotes:
    The Quran:
    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” 

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” 

    Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

    Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” 

     
    Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah” 

    Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” 

    Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

    Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

    Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.”  
     
    **************

    And you said : “The first Crusaders carried out violence in the name of Christianity with 60,000 soilders. ”

    I was under the impression that the Crusades were a long overdue response to years & years of muslim conquest, murder & aggression. At least that’s how history records it. Better do your research quickly before history is rewritten, which seems to be one primary islamic project on the books these days and the truth is whitewashed to represent islam in the best (but dishonest) light possible.

  24. To Anonymous

    Here are some of the similarities between islam and naziism
    * goal to rule the world – who does not?

    * annihilation of the Jews- where does it say that?

    *murder/execution of homosexuals- You forgot to add the execution of murderers and all the other punishments. We muslims do not speak against Allah commands, if there is an islamic state then what Allah has ordered then it is an order
    * belief that it is a “superior group” – I have exlianed that before

    * efforts to criminalize free speech about the “special group” – be more specific to be helped with an answer

    * lack of respect for human life – you being childish here! grow up

    * indoctrination and brainwashing of children in hatred for other groups- Really? My parents nor my kids are thought to hate people! you reliying on lies to make your point? keep trying

    *skillful use of completely dishonest propaganda — blah blah more lies

    * belief in an all encompassing (and destructive) ideology — I guess you are a childish person with an IQ of a baby I guess! no need to even answer you anymore

  25. Well, suit yourself but calling everything I say lies is no defense. I’m not going to waste my time either. I have already stated truths which you wish to ignore. That is your right.

    I said”* efforts to criminalize free speech about the “special group” and you asked me to be more specific. Well here it is.

    As an example of your ignorance on these subjects, I’m surprised you are not aware of the OIC’s continual push to criminalize “blasphemy” against religion (read islam.) You do know who the OIC is don’t you? You are aware of the many, many motions they have put before the UN aren’t you? You are aware that those motions are an attempt to quash freedom of speech?

    The creation of the word “islamophobia” which in English really means irrational fear of islam to be used to silence anyone who speaks any uncomfortable truths about islam. The word was developed by muslims for muslims. It was copied from the term “homophobia” after it was noticed that the term effectively silenced some people who did not wish to be labelled as”homophobic”.

    I think I’ve made my points. Take it or leave it but if you want to dispute it you’d better come up with some facts not some excuses. If you don’t believe what I have to say it’s your job to prove me wrong.

  26. To annonymous

    May allah bless his mercy and grant my brother salaam al ferdouss incha allah. That is what I have to answer you!!

  27. I am pleased you posted these verses like this online. Now I will give you a brief explaination of each of these verses to show your obvious mistake. Anybody else who reads this can check my references at Quran.com or Muslimaccess.com where they will find the orginal Arabic text next to the English translation. This way nobody becomes a hateful liar like you.

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

    The above verse as you quoted is specifically refering to the the disbelievers of Mecca who as mentioned above drove the Muslims out of their homes (drive them out of the places whence they drove you out). You see the Muslims had a treaty with the polytheists of Mecca. The polytheists of Mecca broke the treaty that they themselves had formed with the Muslims. The Muslim and nonbelievers in brackets does not appear in the original Arabic text. It says in general, persecution is worse than slaughter. It never said persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-Muslims (U are definitely getting your verses from hateful websites). And at the very end it says if they desist he will forgive them (despite all of their treachery).

    Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

    LOL, this is even more embarrassing. You did not put the word disbeliever or non-muslim, which was honest because it is not talking about them. If you could even remember the verse before this one, 4:89 you would know it was referring to the Munafiqun (hypocrites) who pretended to be Muslim with ever intention of hurting the Muslims.

    Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

    Again, you did not mention the time or place this verse was quoted, nor did you specify who this message was for. This was refering to the specific “Battle of Badr” or “Battle of the Well” which was the first battle the Muslims fought against the disbelievers of Mecca (come on man, the Quran was revealed over 1400 years ago, learn some history). The Muslims were greatly outnumbered, God was just giving them a boost in their morale, so they would not be afraid to fight.

    Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”

    Yes, like verse 8:12, this is still talking about the people of Mecca,and if u remembered verse 8:38 you would know that they would be forgiven if they desisted in fighting the Muslims.

    Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

    I can at least understand your mistake here. This is again referring to the disbelievers of Mecca only. If you have a decent translation then you would be able to understand from 9:123 that it is referring how Muslims should prepare for another battle the Muslims fought against the disbelievers of Mecca.

    The other verses I did not bother to repost bcuz they obviously don’t tell Muslims they have permission to kill Jews or Christians. Muslims are only given permission to fight the disbelievers who fight us first. MOST IMP POINT: The Arabic word used in the Quran for disbeliever is KUFR, KUFFAR, or KAFEEREEN. This refers to the people who lie about the truth or conceal the truth. You obviously got your verses from a bunch of KAFERs.

  28. By the way, history (according to Western society) talks about the Muslims invading the Byzantine Empire. Although history is suppose to be unbiased the people who wrote the textbooks did not talk about why the war started in the first place because that would make the Christians look bad. Instead, they make it out to be that Muslims just felt like going to war with one of the 2 largest empires for no reason. The war started because one of the leaders of the Byzantine empire had murdered a Muslims ambassador (al-Harith ibn Umayr al-Azdi) in Syria. THIS WAS AN INTERNATIONAL CRIME AND AN INDIRECT DECLARATION OF WAR, and the Byzantine Empire was aware of it, but they thought they were too powerful to even be challenged. The Byzantine empire historians are quite silent about what really happened, but they did lie openly (and were caught) about how the Muslims were Idol worshipers who did not believe in any God (they took this from the history of Pre-Islamic Arabia) and you still believe what the West tells you about how the Muslims are barbaric? I’m American and even my non-Muslim acquintances and teachers agree with me on this point.
    Here is a link that will help YOU learn history.
    http://www.icsfp.com/en/contents.aspx?aid=8229

  29. You mentioned how Muslims are taught to hate Jews from birth. I guess you either ignored or were ignorant about how the Muslims conquered Palestine. No army was needed to conquer Palestine. The head Pope called for peace, and allowed the Muslims to enter Palestine if they would guarantee not to kill the peaceful Christians and to allow the Christians to freely practice their religion. They agreed and also allowed the Jews to return to Jeruselum and practice their religion freely as well (something the Christians had forbidden them from doing).
    The Crusades was also based off of lies the Pope said about how the Muslims were persecuting their Christian brothers. A bold faced lie in order to reconquer Palestine. The reason the Christians were tricked for this was because majority could not read, and they understood nothing of Islam. They were also given false promises of tickets to heaven for going on the Crusaders.
    Lies are not tolerated in any religion. They are the reason wars are fought. There are many peaceful Jews who also don’t agree with the policies of Israel because the policies are not only unjust towards the Muslims living in Gaza, but the policies will eventually ruin Israel itself. Why can’t the Muslims live peacfully with the Jews? They did if for over a 1000 years. This is because extremists (Zionists) believe Israel is only meant for Jews.

  30. MOST IMP ARTICLE TO SHOW YOU TO IGNORE ANONYMOUS: (follows hate websites)
    Another thing, Jihad does not mean holy war. It means struggle. It can mean struggle to control one’s own desires, or it can mean to fight against oppression or corruption. Do you support oppression and corruption? If you do I can understand why you hate Muslims now. One of the websites you listed, Jihadwatch.com is widely know for its anti-Islamic bigotry. People like the Norway mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik visited this website and quoted the creator Robert Spencer many times in order to justify his actions. I, and everyone else who sees the website you quoted, (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/the-palestinians-31-opportunities-for-statehood-squandered-in-favor-of-genocide.html) can have a pretty good idea of the kind of person you are now.

  31. U also mentioned these:
    * goal to rule the world
    * annihilation of the Jews
    (made up from your imagination)

    *murder/execution of homosexuals
    Getting permission for carrying out punishment is very detailed in the Quran. God says in the Quran that homosexuality is sinful but God does not give Muslims the permission to execute them. Iran adopted this from the Bible (Deuteronomy)to punish gays. Not part of the religion though.

    * belief that it is a “superior group”
    (Muslims do not believe we are superior to any race. Prophet Muhammad said that God does not judge you by your appearance or your wealth, but by your deeds and what is in your heart.) Islam does not promise Muslims paradise. It promises only those who submit to the will of God will enter Paradise (If a Muslim is a hypocrite, he goes lower in hell then a disbeliever). Jesus also said those who submit would enter Paradise Mark 8:31 to 9:1. The Jews are in doubt about whether heaven really exists, but they say if it exists they are definitely going.

    * efforts to criminalize free speech about the “special group”
    (Islam is only against those who lie when they speak, like you.)

    * lack of respect for human life
    Only criminals are punished, unless you have pity towards rapists, murderers,etc.

    * indoctrination and brainwashing of children in hatred for other groups
    *skillful use of completely dishonest propaganda
    (good descriptions of yourself)

    * belief in an all encompassing (and destructive) ideology.
    You can’t force religion on anyone. Don’t you remember what you read?

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)”

  32. Muhd Bennett,

    interesting points, but quite scary. see your caveat “without reason” doesn’t instill me with a whole lot of confidence. see here’s what’s scary. the koran says you can kill someone for “spreading corruption”, right. “Getting permission for carrying out punishment is very detailed in the Quran.” are you koran only? you don’t look to the sunnah for guidance on punishments?

    “Islam is only against those who lie when they speak”, so if i’m a hindu and i believe in multiple gods, is that a lie in your book? you going to treat me like the pagans of mecca? if i say i’m atheist and there is no god, what do you do to me then. if i say muhammad is not a prophet, am i spreading corupption? if i draw cartoons or write a book and you consider it blasphemous, should a bounty be put on my head? when muhammad took mecca he smashed all the idols in the kabbalah? so did you agree with the taliban when they blow up those 5000 year old buddas in eastern afghanistan?

    “Bible (Deuteronomy)to punish gays. Not part of the religion though.” the bible is not part of islam? i that abraham, moses, jesus are all prophets to the muslims? perhaps that part is one of the corrupted parts according to muhammad. but he did like the part about stoning adulterers though, right. you did see the 14 year old lashed to death in bangladesh? you support the opening of the 24th surah?

    you say “And at the very end it says if they desist he will forgive them (despite all of their treachery).” yet the prophet stood by when they put the banu-quaraish to death after the battle of trench?

  33. @Muhd Bennet

    Thank you for your convenient interpretations of the truths I have posted, I am not interested in your interpretation or your dhawah, I’ m only interested in the truth.
    I am pleased you have exposed your total bias in your replies to me. My job is done.

  34. @ Salim. Right back at you brother.

  35. M2,
    Yep, you are one of those people who like to rant on and on with the hopes of making Muslims look bad, but your points go way off topic. Stick to what we were talking about. You said: “if i’m a hindu and i believe in multiple gods, is that a lie in your book? Well, the Hindu scriptures do preach of one God but they have a trinity as well where they assume God can be several in one. The Bible does not actually use the word “Trinity” itself, but the Quran does. In the Quran, God says to tell the Christians to say one not three. Perhaps you can explain how 3 can be one?

    You took my words out of context when I said “Islam is only against those who lie when they speak.” No, I’m not telling you I will get violent or go to war with liars. The liars I was talking about refer to the people like the Mushrikeen of Mecca and the Munafiqun (hypocrite). There goals were the same. They only fought Islam because they could not stand to see their people turn away from their idols to worship one God. You obviously don’t know about that history, because like Anonymous you don’t understand the context of the Quran. Your methods of arguing are cheap. Any sane person understands the idea of self-defense.

    There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. I assume you are Christian and believe in Original sin because you seem to have this idea that its okay to blame the majority for what the few do. Anyone who reads this can see that is a closed minded view, and God does not give Muslims permission to fight those who put insulting pictures online.

    You said: “if i say i’m atheist and there is no god, what do you do to me then. if i say muhammad is not a prophet, am i spreading corupption?” The Quran does not preach violence against disbelievers if they only (only)disbelieve. If you don’t believe in the Quran that is up to you. The Quran says there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). If a Muslim is a hypocrite, he will be punished far worse than u would for just disbelieving. If a person claims to be a Muslim he/she is suppose to follow the Sharia Law. The opening of Chapter 24? Woah, amazing, I heard someone quote this just the other day. Looks like you need to be embarrassed like Anonymous. The opening talks about the rules that apply to Muslims only who practice Islam. Secondly, if you could remember, adultery is only punishable if you have 4 witnesses who testify to the act.

    You made a mistake when you said Kabbalah (that is a Jewish term).The Ka’bah was built by Prophet Abraham to worship only one God. The Ka’bah idols were destroyed bcuz the Muslims had conquered Mecca and wanted to pray towards the Ka’bah in worship of one God. They could have continued to keep their idols but as I mentioned b4 they broke the treaty so Muslims come in and they get to choose how they want to worship.

    U said: “so did you agree with the taliban when they blow up those 5000 year old buddas in eastern afghanistan?”
    I can’t believe u would even equate the Taliban to Muslims. The Taliban also kill Muslims as well. They are extremists. Perhaps you should google it. What makes you think they have respect for anybody? The Norway mass murderer was part of the Night’s Templar. I guess u mean to say that it is becuz of the teaching of Christianity he did this? No, it is bcuz he had the same ideology like Robert Spencer and Pamella Geller (apparently like you too).

    The Quran is the only religious scripture that has been perserved in its original language. The Bible cannot be considered 100% from God because it has too many contradictions. The Quran mentions about how the Jews and Christians added and subtracted from the Books.

    No, i am not familiar with the particular 14 year old in Bangladash. No one is allowed to be beaten to death for fornicating. The punishment was too harsh. The Sunnah says the whip punishment should be carried out as follows (you asked for sunnah): It should not be done to hard or too soft. A women is only suppose to remove the excess cloths from her body (jackets). the women is to be seated (on a chair). The whip should not hit the face or the genital region. It is not suppose to lead to death.
    Now let me try to evaluate your perception of the Middle East. Do you think Saudi Arabia practices the proper Islamic law? The current Saudi Monarchy came in to power by extremists over 100 years ago. The leader, Wahabi, was corrupted by a British scholar who turned him against Islam. Wahabi killed many of the passive Muslims who practice dhkir (remembrance of God) thru praises. America was quick to support his regime, just like how they supported Saddam. I thought America was all about democracy. Why are they supporting dictators and monarchies that suppress the Islamic freedoms of the Muslims? Are they hypocrites too? You have a messed up way of looking at the world if you think all violence is accepted in Islam.

    Your biggest mistake was about your knowledge of the Banu quraisha. The Muslims forgave those who repented before they came under the control of the Muslims. Only about 10 were executed because they were the instigators of all the wars (why don’t you research what they did). Most of them were hypocrites. They pretended to join the Muslims, but gave imp. information to the Meccans to fight the Muslims. A hypocrite is a liar and a pretender. If the Muslims conquered Mecca and the hypocrites said they surrendered, can u believe them? What makes you think they would not try assassination? They tried in the past as well.
    You seem to be crying for a these criminals, despite the fact that there were thousands more that Prophet Muhammad could have ordered executed, but you get angry when Taliban terrorists kill innocent people. Make up ur mind. Do you support criminals or not? Or do you only support criminals who fight Muslims? You sound like every other hate monger. The Quran has over 6000 verses, over 1000 talk about scientific miracles. I don’t hear you quoting any of those miracles. It is the only religion that has not been proven wrong from science. On the contrary, science proves Islam right.

  36. Anonymous,
    These are not my interpretations of the Quran. I got them from websites that post translation alongside the original Arabic text. I was also honest enough to give my sources. You don’t even bother putting a real name for yourself, and you don’t bother quoting your sources, bcuz you get them from hate websites. You just mentioned I was biased. You were ranting about Muslims wanting to take over the world, you misquoted the Quran, you don’t know the meaning of Jihad, and you said, “I think I’ve made my points. Take it or leave it but if you want to dispute it you’d better come up with some facts not some excuses.” I gave you my sources, I gave you facts, not excuses, but you still think I’m the one who is biased? Have you ever bothered to sit down and talk with a Muslim about religion or do you just throw your disgust at them and act like you have them all figured out?

  37. Muhd, I enjoyed your comments but it seems to me that there are at least 2 types of Muslims. I realize that there is more but for my purposes I will divide them into 2 groups. The first group is the Majority of Muslims that believe in the Islam as you have stated it but seem to be passive in a wordly sense. The second group is the minority of Muslims but with very different belief sets and very active in a worldly sense. Both use the Koran to support their actions but the second group has become what the world sees as Islam.

  38. Criley,

    Thank you very much. I’ve followed your posts before, and I can say I’m glad at least you don’t view all Muslims as terrorists. You seem to be honest. It just really bothers me that people like M2 and Anonymous can have such a negative view of Islam. Reading the Quran was what eventually led my dad to become a Muslim….although he had been studying world religions in college b4 he made his decision.

  39. M2,
    If you were too tired to read that entire post then just look at this one. There is not a single verse in the Quran, where God allows Muslims to fight non-Muslims just because they disbelieve. If you read carefully and bring the stories together u would know that God talks about different kinds of disbelievers, such as atheists, agnostics, polytheists, etc. He speaks to each of them in a different way.

    God does not allow a man or women to be stoned for adultery without 4 male witnesses, and without investigation of the witnesses. They only way such people are caught is if they confess their own sins, they commit adultery in a public place were 4 people can recognize them, or they commit adultery so often that 4 male witnesses finally present themselves.

    As mentioned b4, quoting individuals who abuse their own religion is not only lame, it makes you look like an ignorant, uneducated hate monger. If I went on a rampage saying stuff about what extremists did in otheir religion how would you feel? If I started with:
    “Ohh, what about dem Crusaders who started killing people of all religions (including other Christians), is that what Christianity is all about? Jesus told you ta kill all them non-Christians. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 that he came to fullfil the teachings of the previous prophets. Does that mean you support the laws of stoning? Are you hypocrite? Why did Jesus not stone the adulteress? Was he a hypocrite too?
    (Srry I don’t really think Jesus contradicted himself there, I was just just using it as an example of the kind of arguements you have been using.)
    And although Deuteronomy says not to create idols of God that look like a man, woman, or any living creature on Earth, we still have pictures of God and Jesus done in the name of Christianity. IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS PART OF THE RELIGION. This is just how individuals interpret the Bible.

  40. http://muslim-responses.com/Banu_Qurayza/Banu_Qurayza_

    Muhd Bennett,

    thanks for your reply. yes my ignorance is vast, but i’ve read a little on the banu quarish. yes i understand self-defence. but putting surrended combatants to death is not self defence. “you are one of those people who like to rant on and on with the hopes of making Muslims look bad, but your points go way off topic”, yes i go off topic quite a bit. to me the main topic is to understand islam. so let’s forgett about the battles badr, uhud and trench for now.

    back to the koran and sunnah. so you are in favor of stoning, and whipping. after 4 male witness, and would 8 females be acceptable? or 2 males and 4 females? would not pregnancy suffice as evidence of “illeagal sexual activity”? how about video evidence? you ever hear of paris hilton or kim kardasian? how about apostates?

    i never said the koran said you can kill people for “no reason”. i just think that saying it is justice to kill someone for “spreading mischief” is a terrible open statement and that adultry shouldn’t be a capital crime. if fact it isn’t a criminal offense anywhere in the us that i know of. maybe alabama? also fornication is not a crime. used to be some places in america. yes i’ve heard that sharia only applies to muslims. so you would invision an america with multiple legal systems to deal with multiple religious laws. again i disagree whole heartedly. one nation one law.

    “I assume you are Christian”, no i’m agnostic. why would you assume that? “Perhaps you can explain how 3 can be one?” no i cannot.

    “quoting individuals who abuse their own religion is not only lame, it makes you look like an ignorant, uneducated hate monger”, not sure what quote you are speaking of, but like i said i am ignorant of much and i am uneducated, not sure what makes me a hate monger to you, but oh well. if asking about a religion means you hate said religion, then i guess i hate all religions.

    what miracles? not the whole the mountains hold down the earth thing? or the co-mingling of fluids?

    “Do you support criminals or not?” yes i support 14 year-old girls who are lashed to death. even if it was accidently, the death part that is not the lashing, right. link to follow.

    sorry Ka’bah, the black cube, clearly you understood what i was talking about. anyways obviously your knowledge of islam is far supperior to mine. that’s why i ask questions on this site. there are many knowledgable muslims. sorry if my socratic method offends you, but oh well. speaking of socroates, “i am a wise man for i know i know nothing”.

    have a good day.

  41. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-29/world/bangladesh.lashing.death_1_alya-lashes-elders?_s=PM:WORLD looks like they got their huhood wrong. she should have been stoned to death anyways. right?

    Surat An-Nūr (The Light) – سورة النور بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    24:1

    سورة أنزلناها وفرضناها وأنزلنا فيها آيات بينات لعلكم تذكرون

    [This is] a surah which We have sent down and made [that within it] obligatory and revealed therein verses of clear evidence that you might remember.

    24:2

    الزانية والزاني فاجلدوا كل واحد منهما مائة جلدة ولا تأخذكم بهما رأفة في دين الله إن كنتم تؤمنون بالله واليوم الآخر وليشهد عذابهما طائفة من المؤمنين

    The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

    24:3

    الزاني لا ينكح إلا زانية أو مشركة والزانية لا ينكحها إلا زان أو مشرك وحرم ذلك على المؤمنين

    The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers.

    Volume 3, Book 49, Number 860:

    Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani:

    A bedouin came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Judge between us according to Allah’s Laws.” His opponent got up and said, “He is right. Judge between us according to Allah’s Laws.” The bedouin said, “My son was a laborer working for this man, and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death; so, in lieu of that, I paid a ransom of one hundred sheep and a slave girl to save my son. Then I asked the learned scholars who said, “Your son has to be lashed one-hundred lashes and has to be exiled for one year.” The Prophet said, “No doubt I will judge between you according to Allah’s Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to go back to you, and your son will get a hundred lashes and one year exile.” He then addressed somebody, “O Unais! go to the wife of this (man) and stone her to death” So, Unais went and stoned her to death.

    there is no compulsion in religion? talk about contridiction?
    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

    Narrated ‘Ikrima:

    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'”

    oh yeah, so is that a yes or no, on support for blowing up the buddas?

  42. cont’d…….

    *murder/execution of homosexuals
    *******************************

    “The scholars of Islam, such as Maalik, al-Shaafi’i, Ahmad and Ishaaq said that (the person guilty of this crime) should be stoned, whether he is married or unmarried. ”
    “In Saudi Arabia, the maximium punishment for homosexuality is public execution”
    “Since its Islamic revolution in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than 4000 people charged with homosexual acts”
    “On Wednesday, the Taleban ordered the execution of three men for sodomy in the southern town of Kandahar, southern Afghanistan. They were ordered to be buried alive under a pile of stones and a wall was pushed on top of them by a tank.
    Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.”
    ” the hadith demonstrate that sexual non-conformists (effeminate men and masculine women) and homosexuals are not only unwelcome in the Islamic community (that is a religion’s prerogative), but they must also be criminally punished. The hadith punishments range from rejection and banishment to execution by terrible methods, such as being stoning, burned alive, or thrown off a high point. It should be reiterated here that if later Islamic judges follow the punishment meted out in Sura 24:2 for zina generally, then they may flog the convicted homosexuals with a hundred lashes.”
    Muslims burn Homosexuals Alive
    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/04/muslims-burn-homosexuals-alive.html

  43. cont’d……………….

    * belief that it is a “superior group”
    *****************************

    “To Muslims, all relationships are of dominance/submission.
    The natural order of things ordained by Allah is that Muslims must dominate infidels and extort protection money (jizya) under the system of dhimmitude. Any society where infidels are equal to Muslims, or even worse where they have authority over Muslims, is an insult and dishonor to both the Muslims and to Allah himself.”

    “ISLAMIC SUPREMACISM is the belief that Islam is superior to other religions, cultures, and governmental systems, and the belief that Islam’s superiority entitles Muslims to dominate, control, and rule non-Muslims. Islam is a supremacist religion. The Hadith and Qur’an command every Muslim to strive until Islam dominates all other religions. The Qur’an says very clearly that the only legitimate form of government is Allah’s. ”

    Islamic Supremacism
    http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/islamic-supremacism.html

    “Islam does not merely teach Muslims to reject the laws of the land they live in as the law of the Kafir from the Dar Al Harb, the portion of the world yet not conquered by Islam, but teaches them to view themselves as conquerors bringing the rule of Islam wherever they go.”

    “AUSTRALIA: Muslim Students Demand Multi-faith rooms be declared Muslim-only. Dozens of Islamic students plan to protest today to demand that a dedicated Muslim prayer room replace an existing multi-faith centre at Melbourne’s RMIT. Imposing their Islam on western societies. This is the strategy of the OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) and The Muslim Brotherhood Project. There are no footbaths in Muslim countries, or special prayer rooms. This is Islamic supremacism in action. Defer to Islam — you will submit.”

    “Koranic supremacism is based on Koran 9.33: “(Allah) sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the kafirs may be averse.”

    “ISLAMIC SUPREMACISM is the belief that Islam is superior to other religions, cultures, and governmental systems, and the belief that Islam’s superiority entitles Muslims to dominate, control, and rule non-Muslims.

    Islam is a supremacist religion. The Hadith and Qur’an command every Muslim to strive until Islam dominates all other religions. The Qur’an says very clearly that the only legitimate form of government is Allah’s. According to mainstream, well-established Islamic teachings, the goal of Islam is to make the whole world submit to the law of Allah (Shari’a).”-Citizen Warrior

  44. * efforts to criminalize free speech about the “special group”

    ***********************************

    Islam in Europe Ends Free Speech-Criminalizing Criticism of Islam
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWddn81Rfc0

    “Jordan’s attempt at criminalizing free speech beyond its own borders wouldn’t be so serious if it were an isolated case. Unfortunately, it is part of a larger campaign to use the law and international forums to intimidate critics of militant Islam. For instance, in December the United Nations General Assembly passed the Resolution on Combating Defamation of Religions; the only religion mentioned by name was Islam. While such resolutions aren’t legally binding, national governments sometimes cite them as justification for legislation or other actions.”

    “via The Administration Takes on ‘Islamophobia’ By Nina Shea
An unprecedented collaboration between the Obama administration and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC, formerly called the Organization of the Islamic Conference) to combat “Islamophobia” may soon result in the delegitimization of freedom of expression as a human right.
The administration is taking the lead in an international effort to “implement” a U.N. resolution against religious “stereotyping,” specifically as applied to Islam. To be sure, it argues that the effort should not result in free-speech curbs. However, its partners in the collaboration, the 56 member states of the OIC, have no such qualms. Many of them police private speech through Islamic blasphemy laws and the OIC has long worked to see such codes applied universally. Under Muslim pressure, Western Europe now has laws against religious hate speech that serve as proxies for Islamic blasphemy codes.
Last March, U.S. diplomats maneuvered the adoption of Resolution 16/18 within the U.N. Human Rights Council (HRC). Non-binding, this resolution, inter alia, expresses concern about religious “stereotyping” and “negative profiling” but does not limit free speech. It was intended to — and did — replace the OIC’s decidedly dangerous resolution against “defamation of religions,” which protected religious institutions instead of individual freedoms.”

  45. * lack of respect for human life
    *********************************

    As of today there have been 17,892 muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11

    They love Death as We Love Life
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl12Zqa18Yk

    “Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: “You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don’t, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life.” This account is recited in today’s Muslim sermons, newspapers, and textbooks.”

    “Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, “We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. ”

    “”The believers in Allah rightly do not dread their enemies and do not fear [waging a] jihad, because they see jihad as a profitable bargain, selling their lives to Allah [to get paradise in return]. Their enemies protect their [own] lives, as criminals do. [Allah] has already said about them: ‘You will find that they are the people who protect their [own] life more than anyone else.’… The believers do not fear the enemy [during] the struggle and do not protect their lives. Allah has promised them one of two good things: [either] victory or martyrdom…. Yet their enemies protect [their] lives like a miser protects his money. They do not give [their lives] easily; they do not enter into battles seeking martyrdom; they do not act in order [to attain] martyrdom. This is the secret of the believers’ victory over their enemies — though the believers are few and the polytheists many, with advanced weaponry and equipment.”-Abdallah Al-Naggar

    Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

    Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'”

    Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

  46. * indoctrination and brainwashing of children in hatred for other groups

    ********************************

    “…incitement and hatred and martyrdom are still very much a part of the education process for Palestinian children from early childhood onward.”

    ““Allah describes [non-Muslims] as the worst of all people…but you still want to follow them.”
    British school children educated in Islamic boarding schools (madrassas) are being taught these and other even more hateful teachings. The extremist teachings at some British madrassas were exposed in February of 2011 by Dispatches, a British Television Documentary.
The report was the result of two years of undercover investigation into madrassas. In Britain, there are around 2,000 Muslim schools teaching 100,000 students. While these schools are required (and often praised) for preaching tolerance of other religions, the undercover footage captured by Dispatches in the documentary exposed some shocking facts about the schools:
    Some of the students are taught to avoid going to church because “they are the gathering place of the devils.”
Eleven-year-old students are taught that non-Muslims are the worst of all the creatures.
The teachers at madrassas repeatedly refer to non-Muslims as kuffars. Kuffar is a derogatory and hateful term used to refer to non-Muslims.
Children are taught not to befriend non-Muslims. At one point in footage from the investigation, one of the teachers tells the students that they should “put away” and “forget” non-Muslim friends.
The students are told that the British society is “Shaytan” (Satan).
In some of the footage, the schools depict scenes of violence where students are routinely beaten for failing to recite the Qur’an properly. In less than 3 hours of filmed lessons, the students were beaten more than 10 times by their teacher.
The film also reveals a culture of violence among students. Older students beat younger students and the teachers don’t intervene.”

    “Almost from birth, Muslim children are taught to hate Christians and Jews – to glorify “jihad” (holy war) and to embrace violence, death and child martyrdom.
    In their schools and mosques, young Muslim’s are taught songs about wanting to become “suicide warriors” and taking up guns and bombs to kill non-believers. Such indoctrination is an essential part of Islamic prescribed destiny which is to destroy all non-Muslims (infidels) and thereby achieve their Quranic vision of one world under Islam.
    Muslims have been in this unceasing struggle since the time of Muhammad.
    During the last decade, Islamic expansionist have further perfected the exploitation of children and teenagers indoctrinated with messages of hatred and incitement against Christians and Jews to perpetrate terrorist attacks and engage in terrorist-supportive activities such as demonstrations and clashes with authority.
    Let there be no doubt about it, World War III is underway and Islamic expansionist have no problem sacrificing their young for the cause.”

  47. Pro-Islamic Textbook Suspended from Washington Schools as Propaganda

    Examples from : History Alive, the Medieval World and Beyond

    ’The Crusades were a terrible ordeal for many Muslims. An unknown number of Muslims lost their lives in battles and massacres. Crusaders also destroyed Muslim property.’

    Also, the term “massacre” is only reserved for Crusaders and Christians in this book and is never used for the Muslims who killed, in the period, 270 million non-Muslims (so much for them living in peace with everyone—You can’t live in peace and kill 270 million of the people they conquered). Islam destroyed the Christian Middle East and Christian North Africa. It is estimated that upwards of 60 million Christians were slaughtered during this conquest.

    In another section, the author characterizes Christian Europe as the enemy and Islam as the good guys during the Islamic wars of conquest against Europe .
    cont’d

    “Saudi-funded textbooks being used in America’s K-12 classrooms.
Teaching, among other things, that Jesus was a “Palestinian,” the state of Israel never existed, and that the Muslims discovered America before Columbus. Some native-American chiefs had Muslim names.:”

    And just about anything that comes out of Gaza or the West Bank can be considered pure propaganda ie: lies.

    * belief in an all encompassing (and destructive) ideology
    *************************************

    Read the Medinan koran , it’s chock full of example about supremacism and war and murder..

    If you need any sources I suggest “Google” and if you don’t believe any of this then I suggest you come up with opposing facts. Notice the word “facts”

    END

  48. This belongs before the last post:

    *skillful use of completely dishonest propaganda

    **************************

    Muslim Propaganda Now Entrenched In Florida School Textbooks
    http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2011/10/muslim-propaganda-now-entrenched-in.html

    How about the deal the White House struck with Muslim rights groups to avoid describing terrorism as ISLAMIC?

    The Muslim art of telling “white lies” to defend and further the cause of Allah as instructed in the sacred supplements to the Quran.

    The deceptive methods used by Muslim leaders to conceal the dark underbelly of Islam in an effort to gain wide acceptance in Washington and how Washington politicians and pundits – even after 9/11 – buy in to Muslim leaders’ hype about “the peaceful non-threatening nature” of Islam.

    An influential American Muslim leader repeatedly tells Muslim audiences their goal is to turn the U.S. into an Islamic state, “even if it takes 100 years.”

  49. My first post didn’t go because of too many links, it is awaiting moderation. I’m reposting it.

    This is post 1 in response.

    This is a one time response just to prove some points. In future if you want to question anything I say come armed with facts that disprove what I have said. I will not waste my time on this again, because I know that no matter what I say you will blow it off as lies or made up or come at me with more personal attacks. In other words you will do everything BUT disprove what I have said.

    I apologize in advance for the upcoming multiple posts but only one hyper-link is allowed per post.
    Here are some of the similarities between islam and naziism
    
* goal to rule the world
    * annihilation of the Jews
    
*murder/execution of homosexuals
    
* belief that it is a “superior group”
    
* efforts to criminalize free speech about the “special group”

    * lack of respect for human life
* indoctrination and brainwashing of children in hatred for other groups

    *skillful use of completely dishonest propaganda
    * belief in an all encompassing (and destructive) ideology

    
* goal to rule the world
    **************************
    “National goal: Islamic world domination
    – “…the Islamic Ummah [nation]… can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men , as the leaders of humanity…”
    – “…know your status, and believe firmly that you are the masters of the world, even if your enemies desire your degradation…”
    – “It should be known that Jihad and preparation towards Jihad are not only for the purpose of fending-off assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world…”
    – “…Jihad for Allah is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and it shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, the State of Islam will be established,…”-Muslim Brotherhood “Jihad is the Way”

    “Various groups around the world are actively advocating the creation of the Caliphate. Surprisingly, the most vocal of these groups, Hizb ut-Tahrir, is based in the UK and other countries in Western Europe and Australia. Just last year, thousands of Muslims gathered in a Khilafat conference to show support for the future Caliphate in Jakarta, Indonesia. The growing support for this empire all over the world is evident.

    Abu Shadi: The Muslim Caliphate is Coming; Christians Must Choose Between Jizya, Conversion or War
    http://www.copticsolidarity.org/en/news/240-abu-shadi-the-muslim-caliphate-is-coming-christians-must-choose-between-jizya-conversion-or-war

  50. Post #2 should be :

    ““And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (kufr and shirk) and worship (obedience, submission etc.) is for none but Allah…” (EMQ al-Baqarah, 2: 193)”

    http://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/

    “Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”
    Comment: islam calls for perpetual war

    Omar M. Ahmad, the co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR): “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

    “Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world.” -Ahmadinejad

    “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”-Ayatollah Khomeini

    “The revival of a strong Muslim civilisation would be for the betterment of the whole world”
    · Osama Saeed is a spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain

  51. This should be the 3rd post

    * annihilation of the Jews
    *****************************

    Islam allows for Prayers for the Annihilation of Christians and Jews
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPr8xRAHAy0

    “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
    “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

    Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that “suffering by fire is the Jews’ destiny in this world and the next.” Astal concluded “Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews

    “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna,

    “We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity” stated Hamas leader Fathi Hammad in Gaza on Friday January 2nd 2009

    “Surely, the day will come when the nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime… when the destruction happens will depend on how the Islamic nations approach the issue.”
    — Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran 
Remark during meeting with the President of Mauritania
AFP, January 26, 2010

    “Israel’s days are numbered.”
“The people of the region would not miss the narrowest opportunity to annihilate this false regime.”
“The nations of the region despise this false and criminal regime.”
    — Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
Speech in Gorgan, northern Iran, 
Press TV (Iran) and Aftab (Iran), May 14, 2008
    “Hamas would ‘definitely not’ be prepared for coexistence with Israel should the IDF retreat to its 1967 borders. It can be a temporary solution, for a maximum of 5 to 10 years. But in the end Palestine must return to become Muslim, and in the long term Israel will disappear from the face of the earth.”
    — Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar
Yediot Aharonot, June 24, 2005
    “This is not a country of humans. These are animals and a group of gangs, and this country must be wiped off the face of the earth.”
    — PA spokesman Ghazi Hamad
Ynet, November 22, 200
    “Allah willing, th emoment will come when their property will be destroyed and their sons annihilated, until not a single Jew or Zionist is left on the face of the Earth.”
    —Hamas Friday Sermon
Al-Aqsa TV, April 3, 2009

    The next one is “Murder & Execution of Homosexuals” etc.

  52. And “Muhd”

    If Jihad only means struggle and not struggle and war then why does the koran make allowances for the ill and disabled?

    Jihad Watch is NOT a hate site, it’s a TRUTH site which must be very threatening to you. , because the truth exposes the true agenda of islam. Pamela Geller was correct when she said “The truth is the new hate speech” and you have just made her point.

  53. “Jihad Watch is NOT a hate site, it’s a TRUTH sit”
    yeah I call bulshit anonymous for examplehttp://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/01/digging-graves-for-the-next-world-war.html I love the part of muslims can only be at your “feet or throat” wow so such love but nothing compared to the “love” the commenters have for muslims for example my favorite from one “armed patriot” his ideas for fighting terrorism involves range from things such as “Confiscate all existing Islamic mosques under the laws of eminent domain. Prohibit the building of all new mosques. Declare that all mosques are nothing more than political and military command and control centers for Islam.” and “Systematically deport all Muslims from inside our national borders and stop the legal immigration and/or entry of all Muslims into America who are unwilling to denounce all aspects of Sharia, swear allegiance to our American Constitution, and assimilate fully (by way of their actions and deeds) into our American culture and way of life as loyal and law-abiding citizens.”
    here is one from “susan” “I heard a fellow on the radio say that we had to tell Muslims that every time they committed a terrorist act, we would obliterate one of their holy shrines, starting with that big black box thing in Saudi Arabia. And after they got over the shock of seeing the black box thing laying in splinters on the ground, we would then (following their next terrorist act) obliterate one of those fancy mosques. And after they rioted in the streets and started killing each other in a mad frenzy, we would obliterate another fancy mosque and another. Of course, they would have to rebuild, which would be good for the construction industry and perhaps keep them out of trouble for awhile (sarcasm). Fact is, when you have an out of control kid you stop talking and start taking action. The name of the game is “Consequences.”” are you sure it isnt a hate site because for people so big on “human rights” they sure seem to be big on methods the nazis used on undesirables.

  54. actually “undesirables” which we know what happened to them during that time right.

  55. “are you sure it isnt a hate site ”

    Yes, I’m sure it isn’t a hate site but there are a lot of really pissed off people who have good reason to be irate who sometimes vent there.. Try 1/4 of the stuff that muslims pull in North America in the Middle east and you’d lose your head right away.

    As for what you call “Nazi ” tactics, the only people I see using those “tactics” follow islam.

    And the only undesirables i’m aware of are the seditionists and traitors who are trying to invade and conquer the country from within.

  56. maybe this by hugh fitzgerald should convince you http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fitzgerald-yemen-and-what-to-think-about-it.html my favorite part is when hugh tells us to have “secret delight in muslim casualties” now are you really sure this isn a hate site, still not sure how about this jw posts a story about a woman kicked off of a plane for wearing a hijab now spencer being a “champion of human rights” you would think he would defend her right to wear a hijab even if he is critical of anything to do with islam after all defending a persons right to what they want is one of those human rights isnt it nope he makes a nonsensical comparison to something that does not have much of a comparison at all and goes on to say that “no real tears should be shed for this woman” mainly because the idiot thought that it was all somekind of plan because cair got involved in her case yeah he used a case of a woman getting discrimated against to get people to hate muslims even more “defender of freedom” my ass.http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/muslim-woman-removed-from-southwest-flight-sues.html
    oh and that article above I have up there was written by ronald shirk who in an article said and I quote that if he were to whisper in mubaraks ear he had these words to tell them “tienamen square” and if you studied that paticular incident then yes he just advocated for a mass slaughter of people protesting for democracy.

  57. Hugh Fitzgerald wrote:”It should be secretly delighted with each day’s news, the news that brings word not of Infidel casualties, but of Muslim casualties, inflicted by other Muslims.”

    I agree, why shouldn’t we wish to see muslim casualties in place of infidel casualties? Islam has claimed 280 MILLION infidel lives in it’s history so you’ll have to forgive us if we enjoy a little smugness and satisfaction at seeing the perpetrators of violence become the recipients of their own devices.

    “Abbasi, a mother of three, was taken off the San Jose-bound flight in March as it was about to depart after a flight attendant thought she heard her say “it’s a go” on her mobile phone.”

    It wasn’t because of a hijab,the “poor” muslim woman who was removed from the plane was removed because of what she said or was heard to say, and I don’t blame the officials for going the safe route, hurt feelings or not. Because of the muslim terrorist attacks on our countries non-muslims have to endure ridiculous screening methods every time we fly and NOBODY, especially muslims has the least concern about that. So as far as I’m concerned that poor muslima can justsuck it up like the rest of us.

    Not to mention all the attempts by muslims on flights to get themselves thrown off so they can file lawsuits of which there are many.

  58. wow quite disturbing that you agree with the genocidal maniac you quoted (and is probably getting his jollies off at the recent earthquake in turkey) and really so muslims getting discriminated against is part of some plan yeah this crap is why spencer, and geller are blatant insults to everything to do with “championing human rights”.

  59. Anonymous,
    You think Jihad watch is a truth site? How about going to Loon Watch and see what they have to say about your so called heroes. Pamella Geller and Robert Spencer are just hypocrites who use their lies to fill their coffers with a bunch of easy money. They give only biased and hateful perceptions of Islam. Yes Islam makes allowance for the old and weak. That makes sense. When the disbelievers are at war with Muslims it is only natural for the strong to protect the weak.
    That is because Islam does not overburden people with more than they can bear. Prophet Muhammad and the Quran actually say that being extreme in religion is wrong.Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said
    (Avoid extremes in your religion; those before you perished because they
    were extremes)
    Nesa’ee, Ibn nmajja and Ahmad after Ibn abbas
    The Prophet (pbuh) also said;
    (Those who are extreme and strict in their words and deeds will fail and
    perish)
    Muslim after Ibn Masoud

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