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Personally, I think he should be praying about other, greater threats to Michigan.

Given the odds, I’d say the bedbug invasion will succeed long before the Muslims.

Sleep well, Mr. Engle and Mr.Joyner…

//Earl Barber
28 October 2011 at 8:38 am

No Way it’s going to work. Allahu Akbar!!!

//Gayle
28 October 2011 at 8:55 am

How about you guys spend less time worshiping and/or defaming Jesus and try to be more like him?

//Carole Miles
28 October 2011 at 9:27 am

I agree, Carole!
These people drag the name of Jesus through the mud!
What part of “love they neighbor as thyself” don’t these
“Christians” understand.

What makes this even a more grave sin is that “Islamisation” is a myth that is not happening. This is the sin of false witness.

This is the usual phony “Christianity” abused so much by the right-wing. There is no such thing as a “Christian conservative” and no Christian should be a member of Tea Party or even the Republican Party!

Besides hating Muslims, the modern Republican Party enables the greed of the 1% – and is now protecting the greedy rich – let alone bring about policies that will hurt “the poor, the widow and the fatherless.”

The abuse of the name of Jesus is too much for those of us who really understand what being a Christian means – and it’s not hating Muslims!

//eslaporte
28 October 2011 at 10:33 am

WOW and they call us evil and sinner…wtf?! People like this need to be locked up. The level of fear and ignorance in this day and age is just pathetic…so much for being made in the image of your god..

//CrystalMuse
28 October 2011 at 10:42 am

And Christians wonder why people don’t like them…heck I’m a Christian myself and I’ve grown wary of other Christians because of people like these!

//Amanda
28 October 2011 at 11:50 am

5:110 Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’

//salaam
28 October 2011 at 12:06 pm

The Christian Right is seldom either.:(

//Pathos
28 October 2011 at 12:28 pm

Jesus peace be upon him is mentioned throughout the Quran ww
Muslim love him and respect follow his teachings we don’t your prayers to understand him but we pray that everyone who call themselves followers of the christ son of marry stop lying on him by saying he died for your sin or that he is Allah or the son of Allah

//salaam
28 October 2011 at 1:25 pm

LOL! Worship my imaginary friend! HE’s better than your imaginary friend. Jesus and Mohammad (my spit be upon him) both suck each other imaginary c*cks in hell. PS: Christians may want to stay awake for ever… I hear the muslims are preying every night that Mohammad (may spit be upon him) enter them like he enter that 9 year old girl.

//brian
28 October 2011 at 3:38 pm

While I never see a face as we don’t know what Isa (Jesus) Alaihi Salaam looks like, I have already dreamed of him when he returns to defeat Dajjal and call for mankind to worship their Lord who created them and stop worshipping him.

I don’t need them to try and fill my dreams with him.

//Qasim
28 October 2011 at 3:44 pm

Well Salaam, I am a Christian and my problem is that Muslims state that Mohammad is the prophet of Allah. It is my wish that Muslims would stop lying about Mohammad being a prophet of Allah and accept Jesus as their savior, as Jesus said no one will come to the father except through me.

//criley401
28 October 2011 at 11:38 pm

is anybody else creeped out by the military rhetoric that is often spouted out by people like engle because “invasion” or other military associated words don’t come to mind whenever I think of love.

//corey
29 October 2011 at 1:38 am

Whew, after that wild and crazy argument with Salaam I will give you my take on this preacher and what he says. First of all both Christians and Muslims believe in prayer and the power of it to help change circumstances and to aide us in making decisions. This man is asking God to “invade dreams” in order to change Muslim hearts. As a Christian I do not believe in magic, the responsibility to change hearts is given to the Christian through active teaching and personal intervention as we are commanded to do so in the bible under the Great Commission. Do I believe that prayer can help healing, help relieve suffering, help support our leaders? Sure I do. However, to think that fasting and prayer is going to do the job of delivering God’s word to the multitudes goes against everything I have learned as a Christian. It reverses the word of God and gives God the responsibility of the Great Commission. Its not right and it’s not a proper prayer. It does, however let a lot of people off the hook as to their responsibilities while psychologically making them feel better because they have prayed and fasted (you can substitute the word sacrificed for fasted)

I have no idea how much money this man makes but I do know he welds quite a bit of political power. He is a snake oil salesman pandering to people not properly grounded in their faith though that faith may be fervent. He uses psychology to take advantage of peoples natural reluctance to put themselves personally in the role of a teacher/missionary and instead places them into groups of like minded people where they endure some form of mutual suffering such as fasting to satisfy the need to sacrifice. To make matters worse his demands of hours of prayer, perverts prayer into a form of sacrifice because of its length and discomfort while accomplishing nothing but producing mindless mental blather as most people cannot come up with anything new after 5 minutes of such activity. They are, however, tired after the activity and it feels like they have done something once again satisfying a natural psychological need.

These types of activities gain him a loyal following that gives him political power and I am assuming financial power. This man is just another Terry Jones except he is a lot smarter and much more ambitious. The people that follow this man are as misguided as the Muslims who follow doctrines that lead them to violence and murder. I do wonder where this man will take his followers as I cannot describe the people who attend his events as a congregation.

//criley401
29 October 2011 at 12:46 pm

Volume 9, Book 87, Number 114:

Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, “If anyone of you sees a dream that he likes, then it is from Allah, and he should thank Allah for it and narrate it to others; but if he sees something else, i.e., a dream that he dislikes, then it is from Satan, and he should seek refuge with Allah from its evil, and he should not mention it to anybody, for it will not harm him.”

CrystalMuse,

how is that defaming jesus. if you believe that jesus is the way the truth and the light, aren’t you supposed to try and convert people. didn’t jesus tell the apostles to go forth and spread the word? is it not a form of christian dawah?

amanda,

“And Christians wonder why people don’t like them”. so if some christian nut job prays for god to come to people in dreams to convert them, it is understanding why people wouldn’t like christians? so would it not be understanding why people don’t like muslims given recent events? so it’s ok for muslims or non-christians to see this guy as the spokesperson for christianity but outlandish to even call osama bin laden a muslim?

this tactic and belief actually sounds quite familiar

Volume 9, Book 87, Number 125:

Narrated Abu Qatada:

The Prophet said, “Whoever sees me (in a dream) then he indeed has seen the truth .”

looks like jesus has already been in a muslims dream

Volume 9, Book 87, Number 128:

Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I saw myself (in a dream) near the Ka’ba last night, and I saw a man with whitish red complexion, the best you may see amongst men of that complexion having long hair reaching his earlobes which was the best hair of its sort, and he had combed his hair and water was dropping from it, and he was performing the Tawaf around the Ka’ba while he was leaning on two men or on the shoulders of two men. I asked, ‘Who is this man?’ Somebody replied, ‘(He is) Messiah, son of Mary.’ Then I saw another man with very curly hair, blind in the right eye which looked like a protruding out grape. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ Somebody replied, ‘(He is) Messiah, Ad-Dajjal.’”

//m2
30 October 2011 at 11:56 am

umm doesnt this nut job kno wthat to be a muslim you must love Jesus (peace be upon him)?

//helema
30 October 2011 at 3:09 pm

The fact remains that Michigan is under siege, especially Dearbornistan where a Christian who dares to speak up about his religion will be verbally & physically attacked by hysterical muslim mobs. One would think it was a suburb of Saudi Arabia the way the locals behave. I’d call that a tad more serious than bedbugs . Just keeping it real people.

//Anonymous
30 October 2011 at 7:51 pm

Anonymous one down fourth nine more to go

//salaam
31 October 2011 at 7:11 am

@salaam

Well,well, surprise, surprise a bit of honesty at last.

//Anonymous
31 October 2011 at 7:54 pm

The muslim brothers I know and as well as myself would not be having these dreams insha allah because we are busy praying to allah during the night alhamdu lilah

//Nadir
1 November 2011 at 7:38 pm

Criley (and for those interested) please read this entire article about Prophet Muhammad mentioned in the Bible. Seriously, what more proof can you need?
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm

//Muhd Bennett
2 November 2011 at 5:54 am

Yes, I see his point, an exorcism seems to be in order.

//Anonymous
3 November 2011 at 9:28 pm

I just don’t understand why all of us can’t live in peace with each other. A true Muslim and Christain would know how to practice tolerance. This means tolerance of every race or religion. We need to learn to accept our differences and move on. Otherwise we’ll be making ourselves miserable by pointing out flaws in everthing and everyone. Mohammad and Jesus were both great, we should be living by their example not comparing them or the religions that manifested during their religious reign.
Live and let live.

//confused
7 November 2011 at 5:48 pm

…. This prayer movement is happening because of LOVE for Muslims… Not hate. Yes, we are praying against the spirit of Islam… Yes, we are praying and asking God to end abortion in America. Yes, we are praying for repentance and mercy for all these things. Homosexuality included. For those of you who are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you to read the Bible and see what God has said about these things. I believe what the God says. It’s bigger than we realize. We’re asking for forgiveness for OUR nation. We’re asking for the love of God to take over our city. We are praying for racial reconciliation… And unity in the churches. And that God would break in and encounter people. I am opposed to that which God opposes. I desire Gods heart for all people… Which is a heart of love. John 3:16 friends… If you believed someone was heading for an eternity in a lake of fire….. What is love? To pray. If you don’t understand, seek God and ask for understanding….

//Jenny
12 November 2011 at 1:50 am

drop the religion, please! we can all get along much better without arguing about imaginary friends.

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