Saturday, December 20, 2014   

  Home     About     Guest Editorials     Advertise     Blog     Site Map     Links     Contact      Subscribe RSS      Subscribe Email  
Home » General

Anti-Shariah conference at Madison church spurs vigil

14 November 2011 General 19 Comments Email This Post Email This Post

A Colorado-based ministries group is planning to hold a vigil outside Cornerstone Church in Madison during morning services today in response to the Constitution or Sharia conference held there Friday.

In a letter to Cornerstone pastor Maury Davis dated Nov. 5, Charles E. Carlson of Project Strait Gate urged the church to cancel the conference.

“The lead speakers are inflammatory, anti-islamic racists, who engender, if not openly advocate, war in Iran,” Carlson wrote. “This program is not about ‘Shariah’ law or ‘Jihad,’ as is its pretext, it is about war. … One or more hotels have canceled the event with good reason, and you have picked it up out of the gutter.”

The letter also encouraged Cornerstone members to meet with the group outside the church. Promises of a large sign reading, “WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB?” being displayed at the vigil also were made.

According to its website, Strait Gate is an action program started by We Hold These Truths, a volunteer-led organization formed in 1996. The purpose of both groups, according to the site, is to reach out to “lost sheep” within the church who don’t know they’re “lost.”

Project Strait Gate also focuses on war and its causes. It has confronted more than 50 megachurches, the site says.

About 500 people attended the Shariah law conference Friday.

Original post: Anti-Shariah conference at Madison church spurs vigil

Share/Bookmark




19 Comments »

  1. warning, this has nothing to do with this article. looks like my replies on the article with the ugly picture of geller have scrool of. Muhd Bennett, let me know if you didn’t see them and you want me to try and recreate? thusly i’m coping and pasteing these from the bagel shop article.

    “Your knowledge of Islam is quite pitiful”. no doubt. that is why i ask questions. but i have read “the women”. and yes 4:12 has sibling regardsless of gender inheriting equal shares. seems inconsistant with the logic of the son getting 2x the daughter. as for careful reading perhaps you should take your own advise. my issue is with the son getting twice the daughter.

    4:11: Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one’s estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one’s parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children – you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
    4:12: And for you is half of what your wives leave if they have no child. But if they have a child, for you is one fourth of what they leave, after any bequest they [may have] made or debt. And for the wives is one fourth if you leave no child. But if you leave a child, then for them is an eighth of what you leave, after any bequest you [may have] made or debt. And if a man or woman leaves neither ascendants nor descendants but has a brother or a sister, then for each one of them is a sixth. But if they are more than two, they share a third, after any bequest which was made or debt, as long as there is no detriment [caused]. [This is] an ordinance from Allah , and Allah is Knowing and Forbearing.

    Yes, i’ve been told the man is “the maintainer and protector” of the woman. thus the reasoning for the inequallity of this sharia inheritance law. but don’t you see that as a problem? “A woman does not have this responsibility”, see to me that is the very definition of sexism. you are treating her as if she was still a child. so with this social structure in mind it makes perfect sense to not bother educating girls, especial when there are limited resources, say like in afghanistan. “NOWHERE IN THE QURAN DOES IT SAY A WOMEN IS WORTH HALF OF A MAN.” where did i say it did? your owe advise seems in order again. but i can see how critics of islam draw that conclusion. let’s see, when witnessing a will you can have 2 men or you can replace 1 man with 2 women. and of course there’s this whole “for the male, what is equal to the share of two females”. but you are right i haven’t read the whole koran, just the first 4 surahs and the entire 24th (just opened it one night and the title “the light” made me think there might be some enlightenment within) but then i read it.

    //m2
    14 November 2011 at 12:16 pm “You seem to be obsessed with the idea of stoning.” don’t forget the flogging, i’m obsessed with that too. i wonder why, oh yeah the brutallity of it. the fact it is such an ungodly act. even if you don’t whip someone in the face or genitals. the fact it is inconsistant with the idea of not allowing “cruel and unusual punishment”. i’m glad to hear your fiqh differentiates between minor and major apostate. but i think you are in the minority. are you a “koran only muslim”? is that why you don’t like hadiths being posted? anyways, the four major schools of islamic all agree to stone apostates. either way you are in favor of stoning adulterers, flogging fornicators and slanderers and drunks, RIGHT!!!!! given there are “4 MALE WITNESSES”. so why do they have to be MALE? see i don’t care if there are 400 witnesess, we don’t flog people in america anymore. is a video tape evidence? what about pregnancy. do you need to see the hadith where pregnancy is considered proof? well if your not sunni, as in follow the sunnah, but you do know 90% of muslims are sunni and even the shia follow some hadiths, right? not many koran only muslims.

    as for sharia is only for muslims, yes i understand the concept. but i disagree with it 100%. i believe american law should apply equally to all americans regardless of race, religion, creed, national origin, gender or even sexual orientation.

    “you only visited hate websites.” really. the hadiths and verses from the koran are from faithinallah.org. i think it’s daisy khan and iman feisals (however you spell that) website? you should check it out. if you mouse over the drop down tap Sunnah and click on Sahih Bukhari then scroll down to the 84th book. Dealing with Apostates. i don’t see the word treason anywhere, but with my poor reading skills i may have missed it?

    as for “2:256 that there is no compulsion in religion.” according to my “the message of the qur an: translated and explained by muhammad asad”, that verse has nothing to do with apostates. it’s from the medina period and is in referance to forced conversions. i think you took that out of context. let me know if you need me to give you the entire explaination/footnote. or maybe cair gave me a “hate koran”?

    “quoting that Hadith with Ali (only shows your close mindedness).” what?how’s that? why would quoting a hadith be proof of close mindedness?????????????????????????????????

    maybe this guy is koran only? do you speak arabic? how do you define zina?http://www.islamicperspectives.com/StoningIntro.htm

  2. mr bennet,

    a much abbreviated version of my other comments.

    “torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act”

    http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

  3. It seems that Muslims and their supporters are seeking to shut down free speech about Sharia and Islam because Sharia and Islam cannot be defended.Otherwise these groups would be using their own first amendment rights to debate and defend Sharia.Clearly they know Sharia is indefensible.Unfortunately for Sharia supporters nothing will stop free people from speaking out against this barbaric law code.

  4. it is kinda funny because I just remembered something that actually prevents sharia from taking over which makes the ban “sharia” laws more idiotic but I forgot the name again it starts with a con and ends with stituion hey hera and m2 could you tell me what it is.

  5. American Muslims speak out against the enforcement of shari‘ah law in America

    Islamic Coalition announces support for Michigan legislation that will bar state courts from enforcing ‘foreign law’ above U.S. and state constitution

    Washington, DC (September 7, 2011) – A coalition of diverse American Muslim leaders has announced support for a proposed bill in the Michigan State Assembly, HB 4679, that is intended to bar Michigan courts from enforcing any foreign law, if doing so violates any rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and/or the state of Michigan’s constitution.

    Like many Americans, members of the American Islamic Leadership Coalition (AILC) have been observing the efforts of a growing number of state legislatures, which are seeking to address the incompatibility of various shari‘ah court systems around the world with the principles and foundations of our Constitutional republic and its laws. As American Muslims, we believe that the law should treat people of all faiths equally, while protecting Muslims and non-Muslims alike from extremist attempts to use the legal instrument of shari‘ah (also known as Islamic jurisprudence, or fiqh) to incubate, within the West, a highly politicized and dangerous understanding of Islam that is generally known as “Islamism,” or “radical Islam.”

    We see no evidence that statutes like HB 4769 will adversely impact the free exercise of our personal pietistic observance of Islam, which is not in conflict with the U.S. or Michigan constitutions. We recognize that not only Muslims, but also Jews, Christians and all people of faith need the government to protect their right to peaceful assembly, mediation and arbitration free of coercion, but also within the bounds of American constitutional principles. Therefore, we stand together as a diverse coalition in support of any legislation that serves to protect and integrate our communities into the fabric of this great nation, by strengthening our accountability to the laws of the land, and the constitutions of the various states in which we live.

    http://americanislamicleadership.org/AILC_Response_MI

  6. I wonder if people really know Pastor Maury Davis?

    http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/a-grieving-son-finds-no-justice-on-rev-maury-davis-path-to-redemption/Content?oid=1201523

    I have nothing wrong with free speech, but I do have a problem with fraud. I wonder how much money the 500 in attendance paid to hear lies and scare tactics?

  7. hera,

    great link.

    corey,

    that joke gets funnier every time. jk. so does the constitution allow for slavery? how about segragation? how about not allowing women to vote? yes the constitution is a great document, but not perfect and not always followed or interpreted the same from time to time. part of what makes it great is it’s abillity to be amended, but that also makes for the possibility of it being destroyed. was it consistant with the constitution when they imprisoned terry jones in detroit? we have to be ever vigilant against any religious law “creeping” in to try and superceed secular law. see hera’s link, especially the referances to britian, i’m pretty sure they have a constitution too?

    “which makes the ban “sharia” laws more idiotic” so if the constitution bans sharia law, what is the harm in having a state law banning it too.

  8. @m2
    the “ban sharia” laws were already idiotic because they were mostly based on the parinoid delusional nutjobs claiming there is a muslim takeover everytime a mosque was being built well anywhere and also I don’t know if you are aware of this but america already follows foreign laws such as the geneva conventions.

  9. The concern about Sharia stems from the fact that Sharia as some secular Muslims have noted is a medieval law code that treats people unequally based on gender and religion. It’s also interesting to note that Muslim women in Canada took the lead in opposing the introduction of Sharia in to family courts seeing it as a threat to their freedom and equality under Canadian law.The concern about Sharia stem from the supremacist nature of Islam and the attempt to impose Sharia law on non-Muslims against their will. We can see that in the worldwide rioting by Muslim extremists over cartoons and so-called desecration of the Koran.Constitutional guarantees mean noting to Islamic supremacists who are intent on imposing Sharia on Muslim and non-Muslim alike. Ethiopia is one example it is a majority Christian country where a Muslim minority has burned Christian homes and threatened Christians with death in a country which has a Constitution that guarantees freedom of religion.The threat to liberty and freedom is real which is why free people are speaking out against Sharia law.

  10. Thousands of Christians Displaced in Ethiopia After Muslim Extremists Torch Churches, Homes

    “The string of attacks comes on the heels of several reports of growing anti-Christian tension and violence around the country where Muslims make up roughly one-third of the total population but more than 90 percent of the population in certain areas, 2007 Census data shows.

    One of those areas is Besheno where, on November 9, all the Christians in the city woke up to find notes on their doors warning them to convert to Islam, leave the city or face death, a Christian from Besheno told FoxNews.com on condition of anonymity.

    “Under the Ethiopian constitution we are supposed to have freedom of religion, but Muslim leaders in our town don’t allow us that right,” the source said.

    Later that month three Christians in Besheno were assaulted in religiously-motivated attacks and three others were forced to flee the city after being told that Muslim leaders had commissioned hit men to kill them, one of the exiled Christians told FoxNews.com.

    “We were told by some Muslims that live in the city that there was already a plan to kill us and that the people who were assigned to kill us had already come from another city to do it.”

    A witness to the three attacks was then assaulted in January after testifying about them in court, International Christian Concern (ICC), an organization that aims to fight Christian persecution, reported.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/24/thousands-christians-displaced-ethiopia-muslim-extremists-torch-churches-homes-2057387870/#ixzz1do6l64j1

  11. Canadian Muslim Professor: If you want Sharia law go back to the hellhole country you came from.

    A courageous Muslim man says what many of us would like to!

    “If you want to live under sharia law, go back to the hellhole country you came from, or go to another hellhole country that lives under sharia law.”

    –Mahfooz Kanwar, a member of the Muslim Canadian Congress and a professor emeritus of sociology at Mount Royal University in Calgary.

    http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/482-canadian-muslim-professor-if-you-want-sharia-law-go-back-to-the-hellhole-country-you-came-from.html

  12. corey,

    yes i’ve heard of the geneva conventions. but they are ratified by the senate. therefore i’m not sure if calling them “foreign law” is correct?they are not some guy claiming in court that he can’t rape his wife because he is muslim and the koran says that a wife must have sex with her husband when he demands it. lady justice is wearing a blindfold to symbolize that all people are equal in the eyes of the law. not that we should have seperate laws for every religious superstition on the planet. also, what is sharia? if a muslim women goes out of the house in a bikini, should her husband be allowed to punish her? so if i’m a muslim man and i come home early from work one day with 4 male co-workers and we walk in to my house to find my wife having sex with the mailman, are we allowed to take her out back and stone her, lash him 100 times?

    “the “ban sharia” laws were already idiotic because they were mostly based on the parinoid delusional nutjobs” even nutjobs can have a good idea sometimes.

    hera,

    here’s an interesting link from a website salim posted.

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/43087/jihad

    your canadian professor reminds me of a news report i saw when ben ali left tunisa. a leader of a banned muslim group was returning and at the airport there were a bunch of supporters and then there where two guys holding up a sign, “no silliness no sharia”. they maybe new canadians soon.

  13. “even nutjobs can have good ideas sometimes”
    yes like brayan “gay nazis” fischer who thinks muslims should not have first amendmant rights http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/bryan_fischer_muslims_have_no_first_amendment_righ.php or daniel pipes who is in favor of violating who knows how many civil rights of muslims as terroism prevention.

  14. M2, (read carefully, I hate having to repeat myself to deaf people)
    You are incapable of grasping anything I will tell you. No, you are free to criticize Islam, but for the 3rd,4th, etc. times there are no punishments for those who slander Islam, drink alcohol, or become apostles. Go ahead, show me one verse of the Quran that allows it. You will never be satisfied with any explanation I give you. Your only purpose is to keep posting the same baseless accusations in hopes that people won’t read thru my comments about you. I am not an only Quran person, I refer to Hadith, but IF IT CONTRADICTS THE QURANIC teachings it can’t be taken seriously. The Qur`an refers to apostasy several times (2:217, 3:86-90, 4:137, 9:66, 9:74, 16:106-109, 4:88-91, 47:25-27) and yet does not prescribe any punishment for it. If God really wanted us to punish apostles he would have mentioned it, but you are sooo desperate you can only use the Hadith, even though they were not confirmed to be in accordance with Islam. This is merely what people say after him. You read the Quran? Don’t think so. If you understood from Quran 2:256, you would know that no form of Islam can be forced onto someone who won’t accept it. FOR THE LAST TIME, SHARIA LAW is only enforced on Muslims, including punishments. If a Muslims wants to have sex in public were 4 people can see him, fine. He can become a disbeliever if he wants to. God will judge him not me. But if someone leaves Islam, and kills a bunch of innocent people don’t go blabbering like a lunatic that the Quran taught him that. That is untrue and you know it.

    You said….”the fact it is such an ungodly act.” God does plenty of violence in the BIBLE. Stoning, killing of apostasy, killing women and children The Bible is considered the word of God in Christianity. Why not preach to your Christian friends about the oppression in Christianity? And Jesus said he did not come to change those laws, he came to fulfill them Matthew 5:17. YET YOU RESORT TO HADITHS whose knowledge is not based on anything Prophet Muhammad said or what God said in the Quran. The Sunnah of the Prophet is followed, but did you ever mention any of the Sunnahs of what Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ACTUALLY said? NO YOU DID NOT! The way you think is probably why so many Christians were led astray by Paul. He told the complete opposite of what Jesus (PBUH) preached and the Christians now follow him.
    BTW, the way not putting responsibility on the women for the financial income is not sexism, women had more than enough responsibility already. Bearing children was a lot more difficult then without hospital services, maintaining the house was also difficult because we did not have things like washing machines for dishes and cloths. God does not wish to overburden the women. He also does not make fasting an obligation on women who are menstruating, pregnant, or nursing. Women don’t have to pray when they are menstruating either. They can make these things up later. Can’t u c that God is trying to make things easier for the women? Of course u are just like those Christians who like to say Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a pedophile for being engaged to Aisha. But do Muslims say Prophet Joseph (PBUH) was a pedophile for being engaged to Aisha when she was about the same age as Aisha? NO! That is because we don’t like to spread stereotypes, generalizations, and baseless arguments like you. Why not stick to what Prophet Muhammad said? Do you judge Christianity based upon what the Crusaders did? Even though majority of Christians went around killing everybody? If you judged Christianity the same way as Islam, then you have nothing to stand on. Go preach to Christians first.

  15. M. Bennett,

    “You are incapable of grasping anything I will tell you” yes i heard you, you do not support rajm for aposaty. i said i’m glad to hear your fiqh differentiates between minor and major apostate.

    again you should take your own advise on reading carefully. i said slanderers, as in the 24th surah 80 lashes correct? not slander islam, or what might be termed blashapy
    ok so your answer to “either way you are in favor of stoning adulterers, flogging fornicators and slanderers and drunks, RIGHT!!!!!” so if i drop drunks then my statement would be correct. but now i’m even more confused. because stoning adulterers isn’t mentioned in the koran. so you accept those hadiths of the prophet stoning adulterers but not of him flogging drunks? your fiqh is confusing.

    http://www.faithinallah.org/sahih-bukhari-book-81-limits-and-punishments-set-by-allah-hudood/

    “You said….”the fact it is such an ungodly act.” God does plenty of violence in the BIBLE.” yes i know, that is why i’m not a christian. i’ve said many times that if there is a god it would be benevolent. thusly the god of abraham is clearly not a god. way too violent for a benevolent being. i talk to christians all the time about the stupidity of their faith. i usually start at the beginning. so if you got adam and eve, and they have a bunch of kids. the third generation is a product of incest. so is it just brother sister or mother son, father daughter, or a combination?

  16. Dear Hera,do u talk about my country Ethiopia? if ur answer is ‘yes’ ps ck again the viability of ur source. let me tell u this in my mother land it is unlikly 2 find a represntative of muslim population in key gov’t post, or u may be wonder do not find any islamic instituion in this country eventhogh we muslim account 40 to 50% of the total population.But we are the most tolerated people starting from king negashi and if u come 2 our land u found alot of curch that built by contribution of muslim and chiristian,ask some one about st.Raguel curch and anwar mosque,ask about our social life bw muslim and christians u may be wonder how ur wrong any way my point is u may loose some one or some thing b/c of those stupid 9/11 hijaker or some extrimist directly or indirectily belive it or not ur not the only affected but we all b/c they coverup the beauty of islam by thir evil act.So by spreeding hate,ignorance,war,or..Do u belive can we cure zis extrimist(extrime muslim, christian,jews,..or non beliver ) act in every part of the world?No at all. let ur time and energy spent on the oppsite ,to the better of the world we can tell them juses(pbuh),.mohamed(pbuh),abraham(pbuh)..Teachs to love family, fr, negibour or any humanbing or even animals.. Peace

  17. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-14/ethiopian-church-burnings-incited-by-extremists-meles-says.html

    abd,

    “juses(pbuh),.mohamed(pbuh),abraham(pbuh)..Teachs to love family, fr, negibour” from your lips to all muslims ears. unfortunately casual observation of the world seems to prove that not all muslim agree with you.

Have your say!

Add your comment below, or trackback from your own site. You can also subscribe to these comments via RSS.

Be nice. Keep it clean. Stay on topic. No spam.

You can use these tags:
<a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>