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Why Islamophobes Hate Ron Paul

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Why Islamophobes Hate Ron Paul

DISCLAIMER: LoonWatch has not endorsed any candidate for President of the United States.  This article should not be seen as such.

Islamophobes absolutely hate Ron Paul.  Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch and Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs–the King and Queen of Islamophobia on the internet–dedicate page after page on their hate blogs lambasting the Congressman and presidential hopeful.

Why do they hate Ron Paul so much?

There are three major reasons why they detest him:

(1) Ron Paul stands up for American Muslims against Islamophobia.  For example, he defended the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque,” arguing that the entire controversy was “all about hate and Islamophobia.”

(2) He has been one of the most vocal opponents of the Bush-Obama curtailments of civil liberties that specifically target Muslims.

(3) Paul is the only major presidential candidate to oppose America’s wars in the Muslim world.  Even more importantly, Ron Paul links reason #1 above (the Lesser Islamophobia) to reason #3 (the Greater Islamophobia), arguing that “in order to perpetuate this foreign policy…they have to perpetuate this hate toward Islam.”

This third reason is also why mainstream politicians and the mainstream media dislike Ron Paul and have tried their utmost to destroy him.  Fox political pundit Bill O’Reilly argued that Paul’s views on foreign policy “disqualifies him” as a candidate for president.  Here is exactly what O’Reilly said:

His foreign policy disqualifies him in my eyes as an American…

Bill O’Reilly has inadvertently touched upon something very deep and meaningful:  “As an American,” foreign policy must include waging war.  To do without war would simply be un-American.

One recalls the words of H. Rap Brown, the chairman of the civil rights group Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), who famously declared in 1967:

Violence is as American as cherry pie.

Brown uttered this statement during the height of the Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War.  While blacks were being beaten up and hosed down in the streets of America, the United States was raining death down upon the Vietnamese population halfway across the earth.

H. Rap Brown was not the only one in the civil rights movement who linked the struggle of blacks in America to the struggle of the darker skinned peoples of the world.  For instance, Martin Luther King, Jr. called America “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today” for its war-making:

The Soviet Union brought attention to America’s “Negro problem.”  Michael L. Krenn writes on pp.89-90 of Race and U.S. Foreign Policy During the Cold War:

By 1949, according to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, “the ‘Negro question’ [was] [o]ne of the principal Soviet propaganda themes regarding the United States.” “[T]he Soviet press hammers away unceasingly on such things as ‘lynch law,’ segregation, racial discrimination, deprivation of political rights, etc., seeking to build up a picture of an America in which the Negroes are brutally downtrodden with no hope of improving their status under the existing form of government.”  An [American] Embassy official believed that “this attention to the Negro problem serves political ends desired by the Soviet Union and has nothing whatsoever to do with any desire to better the Negro’s position.”

Apparently, only the United States is allowed to saber rattle and invade countries on the grounds that the “existing form of government” is discriminatory or unjust to part of its population.

With the world’s spotlight on America’s treatment of its darker-skinned citizens–and those same citizens linking their struggle to America’s foreign wars against darker-skinned peoples–the United States moved in the direction of racial integration in the 1970′s.  America’s longest war was also grudgingly brought to an end.

But today, despite the fact that we have been waging wars for two decades in the Muslim world and in just the last couple years bombed over half a dozen Muslim countries, the anti-war movement is, at least compared to the 1960′s and 70′s, all but dead.

Ron Paul is one of the only major political figures–and the only major presidential candidate–to oppose America’s wars.

And that is why he is in the cross-hairs of anti-Muslim bigots, who see the world in apocalyptic holy war terms: the jihad will bring an end to Western civilization as we know it so we must destroy them first! This is their fundamental world view, which is why sustaining and protracting the wars against the Muslim world is their greatest desire.

Ron Paul threatens that paradigm.  He dares to cogitate that it is our military interventions in the Muslim world that result in Islamic terrorism against the United States and her allies.  He had the chutzpah to include 9/11 in this: “They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years.”

In the American national discourse, this is next to blasphemy.  But, in the rest of the world (especially in Muslim countries), this is not just common knowledge, it’s common sense.  In fact, nothing could be more obvious.

It’s precisely because this idea is so obvious and self-evident that it must simply never be uttered in the United States.  Anyone who does so must be condemned as unpatriotic and, worse, as Unserious.  Such a person’s character must be viciously attacked.

That’s exactly what is happening to Ron Paul.  Unfortunately, Paul deserves much of the blame for making himself such an easy target.  The racist newsletters are a gold-mine for his opponents.  Pamela Geller gleefully called them a “bombshell,” arguing that his presidential bid is now “unrecoverable” and that “[h]e is done.”

The evidence against Ron Paul, that he wrote those vile things against black people, is certainly very strong.  The only saving grace for Paul is the fact that those racist screeds do not sound anything like him.  Whether or not this alone can outweigh the proof against him, I do not know.  Whatever the case, Paul’s delay in disassociating himself from the letters, his ever-changing excuses, and his questionable associations are enough to condemn him.  (A balanced article on Ron Paul was written by the indefatigable Glenn Greenwald.)

Under normal circumstances, I’d have nothing but absolute contempt for Ron Paul.  In fact, even if he didn’t have such racism-related baggage,  a progressive like myself would have nothing to do with a man who wants to get rid of social welfare programs, the Department of Education, etc. etc.  When it comes to domestic issues, there is probably very little Ron Paul and I would see eye-to-eye on.  Worse yet, I find many of his views on such matters to be outside the realms of reasonableness–I’d go so far as to call them loony.

Yet, many progressives like myself are finding themselves inexorably drawn to Ron Paul.  That is because he is the only major presidential candidate to oppose America’s wars.  Stated another way: the rest of the candidates–including the incumbent president (who expanded the War on Terror)–are war-makers.  Ron Paul is the only peace candidate.

This says a lot about the state of our union more than it does about Ron Paul.  War-making has become such a staple of American life that the only man who stands a chance (and a slim one at that) at becoming our leader is a loony, fringe candidate with a questionable and possibly racist past.

I have been criticized by some Islamophobes for daring to say anything positive about Ron Paul.  But, the fact that a person of my views (a progressive peacenik) is forced to consider Ron Paul is indicative of how truly violent and warlike our country has become (or, rather, has always been).  This underscores my main counter-argument to the Supreme Islamophobic Myth: we, as part of the Judeo-Christian West, have been and are still, just as, if not more, violent and warlike than the Muslim world.

This fact is underscored even more by the fact that the reason why Ron Paul has been “disqualified” as a realistic candidate is because, in the words of Bill O’Reilly, of his peace-loving foreign policy.  Imagine, for instance, if an Iranian candidate for the Iranian presidency could never realistically win unless he advocated for war against other countries.  What would it say about Iranians if they, by convention and consensus, refused to elect someone who advocated peaceful relations with the rest of the world?

One would expect that progressive peaceniks like myself would have more options to choose from than just one candidate.  But because warmongering is an essential component of being president of the United States (and serving in the military is almost a prerequisite to getting elected–imagine if Iranians would demand that their leaders must have sometime in their lives fought jihad), there is virtually nobody to vote for.

In an earlier article, I wrote of how war has been a part of the American psyche since the very beginning, from 1776 all the way to the present.  We’ve never gone a decade without a major war, and no president in our history can truly be considered a peacetime president.  Yet, somehow even after waging wars for more than 91% of our existence, we look at ourselves as peace-makers and “those Moozlums over there” as violent and warlike.

A verse from the Quran is most fitting here: “When it is said to them: ‘Do not make mischief on earth,’ they say: ‘We are but peace-makers.’  In fact, they are the mischief-makers, but they realize it not.” (2:11-12)

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Something else that reinforces my argument is the fact that even Ron Paul, the single peace proponent in the presidential race, does not seem to oppose war based on peacenik principles.  He usually raises financial and political arguments against the wars, instead of humanitarian ones: We’re bankrupting ourselves.  Or: These wars result in terrorism (against us).

Our moral compass should not be dictated by money or self-interest.  We should oppose these wars because killing innocent civilians is morally atrocious.  This is what should be the main argument:

Not this:

Let me clarify: there is nothing wrong with raising financial and political arguments as secondary reasons to end the wars.  In fact, I would encourage doing so.  But, the primary motivation behind opposing wars should be less self-centered (the war is costing us too much money, they may retaliate with terrorism against us, too many of our young soldiers are risking their lives over there), but more humanitarian towards the victims of our aggression: we are killing innocent civilians.

Ron Paul’s emphasis on financial and political reasons, as opposed to humanitarian concerns, seems to be consistent with his ideology.  (After all, he supported Israel’s bombing of Iraq in 1981 and seems unconcerned if Israel bombs Iran on its own accord.  This indicates to me that it is not the dead in Iraq or Iran that bothers him so much, but only that it would cost us money to kill them or would risk retaliation against us for doing so.)  What does it say about America if even the one and only supposed peace candidate is against wars not out of humanitarian reasons but financial and political concerns?

Even if I am being too harsh on Ron Paul and it’s just a political consideration to focus on financial and political reasons, what does it say about us Americans that we can only be convinced based on our wallets and not on our consciences?

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I don’t say this very often, but Pamela Geller was absolutely right when she said  about Ron Paul that “[h]e is done.”  He most certainly is.  And so dies the only candidate who could have ended America’s Endless Wars.

One should point out, however, that just because the Islamophobes have found the Kryptonite that will kill Ron Paul (the racist newsletters) this doesn’t change the fact that Paul’s foreign policy views were correct.

Let this be a lesson to groupies and fan boys of Ron Paul, a lesson that groupies and fan boys of Barack Obama should also heed: do not put your hopes in a man, because if you do, that man will often, if not always, disappoint you. Put your faith in a conviction instead.  If you hold on tightly enough to the conviction and not the man, it will persevere.

Danios was the Brass Crescent Award Honorary Mention for Best Writer in 2010 and the Brass Crescent Award Winner for Best Writer in 2011.

DISCLAIMER: LoonWatch has not endorsed any candidate for President of the United States.  This article should not be seen as such.

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  1. The Soviet Union butchered millions of its own citizens for various reasons, including ethnicity, and never had a leg to stand on in the category of human rights.

    Muslims have too much internal violence to assume a peaceful image. Furthermore they blare out a verbal aggression which peacenik progressives may lie down for, but the rest of the population does not.

    Ron Paul is too obscure. The candidates I have seen so far are too obscure or crazy to make it. Obama doesn’t lead enough – come out of the office and address the nation’s concerns.

    Not enough info in the media addressing these concerns either.

    The Bible says do not put your hopes in a man.

  2. “He doesn’t think all brown people wanna blow us up! HE HATES AMERICA!!!”

  3. That’s very interesting, since Ron Paul hates everyone who isn’t a rich, white, Christian, and that’s what the majority of Islamaphobes are.

  4. Surely you don’t support that misogynist homophobe?

  5. He also hates the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which protects Muslims from religious and ethnic discrimination.

  6. Ron Paul is against the war on drugs (where the majority of the people being sent to jail right now for the ‘war’ on drugs are African-Americans)>

    Ron Paul is against the existence of gitmo (where the majority of the people being sent there are Muslims).

    Ron Paul in 2001 was against the plan of invading Iraq (which the majority of the populations are Muslims and Arabs).

    Ron Paul is the only candidate that blame Israel for the massacre that they did against Palestinians (again, majority of populations are Arabs and Muslims). Ron Paul is the only candidate who does not believe the US should nuke Iran (the majority of the poulation is Persian and Muslim Shia).

    So Rev. Pete Monk Smith…what do you mean by “Ron Paul hates everyone who isn’t a rich, white, Christian”?>

  7. ron paul confuses idiots with sense…so it drives them nuts and no doubt they hate him for it…he goes off the deep end sometimes, but mostly he makes a lot of sense

  8. I can’t let even the slightest Ron Paul apologisms go. It is true that John McCain, Jon Huntsman and Barrack Obama want to reinstall Glass Steagal; but with any of those three leading it will be still be necessary for the people to assemble and petition for redress of grievance. The office of the President needs the support of people assembled to be able to overlook the ever-present bank lobbyists.

    There is pervasive collegiate mythology active that claims Ron Paul is anti-war, anti-prohibition, and anti-plutocracy. Not one of these three claims is true. Many people think Ron Paul will legalize pot and he has never said any such thing. What Paul wants to do is remove the federal penalty component of the drug war which removes the only means by which huge banks who launder money through Mexican drug cartels can be combatted. Paul has only said that he’d leave decisions about legalization to the states which makes legalization absurdly impossible.

    Not even Nevada (with its lush green pastures cough cough) could farm marijuana without the USDA, process it without an FDA, and no one could collect proper taxes without a repurposed DEA bulwarking the ATF. Instead it would be true that Nevada would move immediately to replace what they lose in Federal funds to operate/employ its police/state workers with increased citations, fines, and detentions. More hillbillies would go to jail and stay and Ron Paul would not care.

    Consider recent evidence that banks launder money through drug cartels:
    bloomberg 6.28.10
    http://bloom.bg/bqGMmf
    the guardian 4.2.11
    http://bit.ly/hjdTAL
    latimes 12.27.11
    http://lat.ms/sxNKlt
    new york times 12.4.11
    http://nyti.ms/rGYk4O

    some of the problem is with legal ownership of property in mexico. often no deed is required so fat european companies can launder money through cartel based purchases that no one can prove that they own. citation from latinlawyer.com http://bit.ly/vWzTXU petitions like this one ask to get corrupt mexican officials tried by the ICC/Hague instead of being tried in Mexico
    http://www.petitiononline.com/CPI/petition.html
    http://bit.ly/ssHZCQ – english translation
    (can sign that petition even if you don’t speak Spanish)

    Ron Paul is the paid spokespolitician for warplane companies and banks that are famous for laundering money. Opensecrets makes it at least as clear that where affiliates, employees, and subsidiaries of warplane companies are noted that they are merely the tip of the iceberg (think upon episodes of Breaking Bad where Saul Goodman donated back to Walt through his son’s website donation page with thousands of stolen identities). There are very likely incentives where Lockheed matches employee donation of x (money or miles walked) with amount y. At the very least Ron Paul is not ashamed to take money in this way and he didn’t give it back the way many gave back BP campaign money. It may sound like a stretch but remember that Lockheed was actually caught bribing the Yakuza and that the US government had to bail Lockheed out afterwards.

    http://i.imgur.com/jlv0W.jpg
    http://bit.ly/tZN79E paul paid by lockheed
    http://bit.ly/vahJF lockheed pays mafia/yakuza
    http://ti.me/88pNQh lockheed periodically bailed out
    http://bit.ly/grz0UM trolls love paul
    http://bit.ly/I1cHm sock puppets love paul
    http://bit.ly/htRdn8 sock puppets we paid for

    Ron Paul doesn’t think he is a villian. He believes (like many members of “military intelligence” who see the past and present, but cannot predict different possible futures) that he is part of a Nash non-cooperative equilibria and that “mutually assured destruction” is the only way forward. Nash (yes the guy from Beautiful Mind) is disproven when you remove credible threats from his equilibria. The John Birch Society (Alex Jones is one of these now) used to paleoconservatively proselytze all things anti-communist. Birchers got sad when communism was no longer a viable threat, so they’ve been trying to turn “arab spring” into “arab uprising.” Its ridiculous. Anyone can see that now is the right economic time to monetize the disarmament phase of our global economy.

    Also weird but true: Iran already owns Lockheeds, Boeings, and Northrops. Its Iraq who hasn’t been unoccupied long enough to start buying US subsidized warplanes. Iraq still has MiGs. Of course Ron Paul wants to let the Military Industrial Complex he represents in to Iraq after the US Military is gone so that they can try selling a whole bunch of $150,000,000 F-22s to Iraq. Of course he does.

    http://bit.ly/sCbm38 10 other reasons
    http://bit.ly/b1ZXuV nailing them with rosa parks
    http://bit.ly/tPonAU longer look at newsletters

  9. He doesn’t ‘hate’ the Act. He dislikes the way the Act is written. And how is Ron Paul a misogynist homophobe when he in fact is one of the candidates in the Republican party who actually supports gay marriage.

  10. Ron Paul has a documented (his own newsletter) racist record. He also does not want to limit a man’s “right” to touch a woman’s breast, so don’t expect him to support a woman’s right to wear hijab in the work place.

  11. He’s not a Nazi. He is, and has had, an excellent record on human rights. The majority of his supporters are extremely supportive of the rights of Muslims, have been consistently against the oppression of Muslims in the US and around the world. He has consistently refused to call people defending their countries from foreign occupation, ‘terrorists’. He is passionate about equality, understands the financial motivations behind our war with Iraq. Yes, there is a reason he is hated by Islamaphobes. He identifies the propaganda being used against them as being scapegoating propaganda tactics. Anti-war, against a government so powerful it can arrest and assassinate people for associating with Muslims. Wake up and watch his video record and learn about his voting record. He doesn’t support the civil rights act, because he’s a strict constitutionalist, and it gives the Federa Government powers it shouldn’t have, not because he is against Civil Rights.

  12. For you idiots out there, please read what I have to say below and tell me how’s Ron Paul a racist or only like Christians?

    Ron Paul is against the war on drugs (where the majority of the people being sent to jail right now for the ‘war’ on drugs are African-Americans)

    Ron Paul is against the existence of gitmo (where the majority of the people being sent there are Muslims).

    Ron Paul in 2001 was against the plan of invading Iraq (which the majority of the populations are Muslims and Arabs).

    Ron Paul is the only candidate that blame Israel for the massacre that they did against Palestinians (again, majority of populations are Arabs and Muslims). Ron Paul is the only candidate who does not believe the US should nuke Iran (the majority of the poulation is Persian and Muslim Shia).

  13. I luv ur page but I luv Ron Paul more.all he is saying is America should stay in America and deal with their domestic woes instead of ‘meddling ‘ in other countries business.i don’t knw wAt ur mama taught u,but mine told me,clean ur room b4 u worry about how dirty ur brothers room is.are u fucking kidding me?all Muslims should love Ron so as we could put a stop to this empire killing innocent Muslim babies in Iraq,Pakistan,Afghanistan etc,etc,etc.

  14. PS: I’m a supporter, and I joined your page, because its frequenty reposted on the blog of another RP supporter. Go figure.

  15. If you don’t think there’s any racism in the “war” on drugs then you’re a complete moron, especially if you don’t understand what the war on drugs is and still continue to believe that Ron Paul is a racist…the only candidate that wants to end the war on drugs, which have incarcerated many African Americans than the white people.

  16. He also supports a rollback of the 14th Amendment and the Establishment Clause.

  17. @darcy,thanks.at least one of us is using their brain.its such a shame.most Media don’t like him cause he spit the truth in their face.am just too sad that this page too wants to condemn him.he is the one America needs now if they don’t want this empire to go down the drain like Rome and all other fallen empires

  18. Good post, J.R., although I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the aPaulogosts to read any of it. They’re like a cult.

  19. Anyone with a functioning BRAIN hates Ron Paul…

  20. Ron Paul may not be perfect but who or what is? and his main ideology of libertarianism allows people to be how they like be it fundamentalist, racist, communist whatever you want as long as the rights of others are not infringed, and that states have the right to decide certain things (as says the constituion) i ask you what is wrong with that?

  21. im a muslim and a ron paul supporter :)

  22. Ron Paul is a racist and he is fooling you guys into believing he isn’t. Would you like me to post a picture of him being buddies with the Grand Wizard of The KKK? I have the photo.

  23. There’s also a picture of him with former Grand Wizard of the KKK, owner of StormFront white power website, and leader of Aryan Nations Don Black, but whatever..not to mention his various racist newsletters. All that aside, I have seen/heard many tea-baggers and they are far from “supportive of Muslims”..or any other minority it seems. In fact, there are more than enough videos on youtube of Tea Party supporters in California harassing Muslim families outside of a Mosque and calling them Terrorists. But all that aside, let’s look at the economic downside: privatized industry-that means that a business can set it’s prices as high as it wants and hire/fire anyone it wants with absolutely no regulation. What part of that sounds good or supportive of equal rights?

  24. Ron Paul is the lesser of evils of what has been dealt to us. That isn’t saying much.

  25. Sure Ron Paul may have support from racists or small government fanatics, but he’s the only guy who thinks we shouldn’t bomb Iran over mere suspicions of building nukes.

  26. Ron Paul 2012

  27. It is a crying shame that the one candidate who shares Dr. King’s philosophy on freedom and peace is also the one candidate who would repeal the legislation intended to protect freedom that Dr. King worked his entire life to see passed.

  28. Everyone should dislike him. He is backed by the KKK and the White Brotherhood.

  29. I cannot believe you people. He is a documented racist. He is a PROUD member of the John Birch Society. He would start the 2nd civil war. Look at his son and his racism. They both should be avoided. What in the world are all of you listening to. Are you getting ready to drink the Kool Aid already.

  30. I understand that the Paulists say that Ron Paul merely believes that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which overturned Jim Crow laws) gave the federal government power he believes it should not have had.

    I’d like them to explain to them how exactly Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas or any local municipality would have passed anti-discrimination laws on their own?

    Libertarians live in fantasy world where without government, everyone gets along and acts rationally all on their own. But one has to ignore a whole lot of history to sustain that fantasy.

  31. I understand that the Paulists say that Ron Paul merely believes that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which overturned Jim Crow laws) gave the federal government power he believes it should not have had.

    I’d like them to explain to them how exactly Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas or any local municipality would have passed anti-discrimination laws on their own?

    Libertarians live in fantasy world where without government, everyone gets along and acts rationally all on their own. But one has to ignore a whole lot of history to sustain that fantasy.

  32. Welcome Adolph Hitler again. You people are falling into a trap. He will have the Muslims, Jews, Blacks and Homosexuals locked up or gassed faster than you can snap your fingers. Are you all nuts?????

  33. Welcome Adolph Hitler again. You people are falling into a trap. He will have the Muslims, Jews, Blacks and Homosexuals locked up or gassed faster than you can snap your fingers. Are you all nuts?????

  34. i would avoid the word hate…its what we are ALL trying to avoid..
    peace!

  35. i would avoid the word hate…its what we are ALL trying to avoid..
    peace!

  36. this anti hate page has a lot of people saying hate and calling names and making accusations…isnt this page supposed to be against that?

  37. this anti hate page has a lot of people saying hate and calling names and making accusations…isnt this page supposed to be against that?

  38. show us the documented racism (if you mean the newsletters we have heard and even the topic writer admits it sounds nothing like him) ive read he is supported by members of the JBS but he has stated he is not a member (not very proud) basically what you are saying is dont support someone because they are assoiciated with certain people, in that case gays had better vote third party because obama had rick warrens pray at his inaguration and anyone who doesnt support bombing buildings had better do the same because he and bill ayers were apart of the same anti-poverty group. i however dont support such claims just because people around you are a certain way doesnt mean you are.

  39. show us the documented racism (if you mean the newsletters we have heard and even the topic writer admits it sounds nothing like him) ive read he is supported by members of the JBS but he has stated he is not a member (not very proud) basically what you are saying is dont support someone because they are assoiciated with certain people, in that case gays had better vote third party because obama had rick warrens pray at his inaguration and anyone who doesnt support bombing buildings had better do the same because he and bill ayers were apart of the same anti-poverty group. i however dont support such claims just because people around you are a certain way doesnt mean you are.

  40. reductum ad hitlerum eh?

  41. reductum ad hitlerum eh?

  42. Iran now has long range missiles and is working on nuclear weapons. Ron Paul doesn’t see it as a threat to the US but our allies are within reach of these missiles.

  43. Iran now has long range missiles and is working on nuclear weapons. Ron Paul doesn’t see it as a threat to the US but our allies are within reach of these missiles.

  44. Ron Paul is an Isolationist who will not support our allies.

  45. Ron Paul is an Isolationist who will not support our allies.

  46. I can see where this is going:

    - Show me Paul’s racism…

    - It’s in his newsletters… You know,the ones with his name on them, that he made money off of.

    - He didn’t know about that.

    My question is: If he isn’t competent enough to keep track of what is said in a newletter *that bears his name*, why should anyone think he’s competent enough to run a country? Those excuses are weak with weak sauce.

  47. I can see where this is going:

    - Show me Paul’s racism…

    - It’s in his newsletters… You know,the ones with his name on them, that he made money off of.

    - He didn’t know about that.

    My question is: If he isn’t competent enough to keep track of what is said in a newletter *that bears his name*, why should anyone think he’s competent enough to run a country? Those excuses are weak with weak sauce.

  48. No. The burden of proof isn’t on me to prove that he knew what was in newsletters *that were sent under his name*. The burden on proof is on his supporters to show that anyone who can’t spend a few minutes reading something that is distributed to the public *with his name on it* is competent enough to run a nation.

  49. No. The burden of proof isn’t on me to prove that he knew what was in newsletters *that were sent under his name*. The burden on proof is on his supporters to show that anyone who can’t spend a few minutes reading something that is distributed to the public *with his name on it* is competent enough to run a nation.

  50. his actions dont seem to show him as racist despite the newsletters. See jessica akbars posts, or the initial video i posted on how in the 70′s he treated a interracial couple when no one else would, show me a video with him saying something racist. not a picture with him next to racists but a video with him spouting racist talking points

  51. his actions dont seem to show him as racist despite the newsletters. See jessica akbars posts, or the initial video i posted on how in the 70′s he treated a interracial couple when no one else would, show me a video with him saying something racist. not a picture with him next to racists but a video with him spouting racist talking points

  52. Dan, and you are assuming the best. It is also entirely possible that Ron Paul knew what was in the newsletters and had no problem with it.

  53. Dan, and you are assuming the best. It is also entirely possible that Ron Paul knew what was in the newsletters and had no problem with it.

  54. @ omar actually hes not an eye doctor but rather an obstetrics (baby delivering doctor) guy.

  55. @ omar actually hes not an eye doctor but rather an obstetrics (baby delivering doctor) guy.

  56. Stick your head in the sand!!!! People who support him should know him for what he really is and what he has done and supported. That is what the internet is for. I now realize many people on this site are really his cult. If you want to really know what it is he has done, quit following his word and watching Fox news and find out. It is all out there. It has been for years and I have seen it. It is so weird that people are following him like he is a God. If this keeps up, I will have to block this site because I got involved with it to take a stand against this type of craziness. To think that Muslims would support him is crazier than I could possibly ever believe.

  57. Stick your head in the sand!!!! People who support him should know him for what he really is and what he has done and supported. That is what the internet is for. I now realize many people on this site are really his cult. If you want to really know what it is he has done, quit following his word and watching Fox news and find out. It is all out there. It has been for years and I have seen it. It is so weird that people are following him like he is a God. If this keeps up, I will have to block this site because I got involved with it to take a stand against this type of craziness. To think that Muslims would support him is crazier than I could possibly ever believe.

  58. Some slave owners treated their slaves nicely. It doesn’t mean they weren’t racist.

    This is like arguing with cult members. Nothing their Dear Leader does is ever wrong, even when there is documented evidence of the contrary.

    Sorry Paulbots. He is responsible for things that are sent out under his name, just like the rest of us are.

  59. Some slave owners treated their slaves nicely. It doesn’t mean they weren’t racist.

    This is like arguing with cult members. Nothing their Dear Leader does is ever wrong, even when there is documented evidence of the contrary.

    Sorry Paulbots. He is responsible for things that are sent out under his name, just like the rest of us are.

  60. Yes Melanie: The idea that Muslims would support someone who wants to strip them of their legal protections and subject them to the whim of the mob is. just. crazy.

  61. Yes Melanie: The idea that Muslims would support someone who wants to strip them of their legal protections and subject them to the whim of the mob is. just. crazy.

  62. @Earl Curtis, Ron Paul is not an ‘isolationist’. Does Canada has 4 wars? does Canada support dictators such as the Saudi Monarch?..no. But does that means that Canada is an isolationist??

    Ron Paul does not want the US to dictate other countries; he believes we should just trade with them.

  63. @Earl Curtis, Ron Paul is not an ‘isolationist’. Does Canada has 4 wars? does Canada support dictators such as the Saudi Monarch?..no. But does that means that Canada is an isolationist??

    Ron Paul does not want the US to dictate other countries; he believes we should just trade with them.

  64. you talk about the “newsletters” but once you get past that its all “paulbots, cultists and crazys” reminds me of the 08 race and the phrase “obamaton” a great way to minimize your opponents huh?

  65. you talk about the “newsletters” but once you get past that its all “paulbots, cultists and crazys” reminds me of the 08 race and the phrase “obamaton” a great way to minimize your opponents huh?

  66. @Melanie,

    Ron Paul is against the war on drugs (where the majority of the people being sent to jail right now for the ‘war’ on drugs are African-Americans)>

    Ron Paul is against the existence of gitmo (where the majority of the people being sent there are Muslims).

    Ron Paul in 2001 was against the plan of invading Iraq (which the majority of the populations are Muslims and Arabs).

    Ron Paul is the only candidate that blame Israel for the massacre that they did against Palestinians (again, majority of populations are Arabs and Muslims).

    Ron Paul is the only candidate who does not believe the US should nuke Iran (the majority of the poulation is Persian and Muslim Shia).

  67. @Melanie,

    Ron Paul is against the war on drugs (where the majority of the people being sent to jail right now for the ‘war’ on drugs are African-Americans)>

    Ron Paul is against the existence of gitmo (where the majority of the people being sent there are Muslims).

    Ron Paul in 2001 was against the plan of invading Iraq (which the majority of the populations are Muslims and Arabs).

    Ron Paul is the only candidate that blame Israel for the massacre that they did against Palestinians (again, majority of populations are Arabs and Muslims).

    Ron Paul is the only candidate who does not believe the US should nuke Iran (the majority of the poulation is Persian and Muslim Shia).

  68. If all u hunkeys want to save ur empire,u better vote for Ron.in that case, u will stay away from other countries affairs and mind ur goddam business .rememember,empires comes and go and I can’t wait when this stupid empire crumble like ground ZERO

  69. If all u hunkeys want to save ur empire,u better vote for Ron.in that case, u will stay away from other countries affairs and mind ur goddam business .rememember,empires comes and go and I can’t wait when this stupid empire crumble like ground ZERO

  70. if you guys cant handle opposing views without resorting to name calling i woudnt mind if you did leave. im sure even those who dont support paul can agree with that.

  71. if you guys cant handle opposing views without resorting to name calling i woudnt mind if you did leave. im sure even those who dont support paul can agree with that.

  72. So far the majority of the people who accused Ron Paul of racist are white.

    I’m Asian and I’m a Muslim, and I support Ron Paul.

  73. So far the majority of the people who accused Ron Paul of racist are white.

    I’m Asian and I’m a Muslim, and I support Ron Paul.

  74. If you don’t like to be labelled as cult members don’t act like them. Stop repeating talking points and start engaging the questions.

    I’ll ask it again: If Paul can’t manage the content of his own newsletters (which everyone agrees were racist and homophobic) why should I believe he’d be able to manage a country which is far more complex?

    It’s a simple question.

  75. If you don’t like to be labelled as cult members don’t act like them. Stop repeating talking points and start engaging the questions.

    I’ll ask it again: If Paul can’t manage the content of his own newsletters (which everyone agrees were racist and homophobic) why should I believe he’d be able to manage a country which is far more complex?

    It’s a simple question.

  76. Jessica, Ron Paul is on a mission to fool you. People don’t change from what he was. He is a person who is a seperatist and a bigot. He just wants in there so he and his family can continue on their mission. You are putting too much faith in someone who does not like Jews, Blacks, Muslims or anything other than rich white people. He is a dangerous man and you are falling for his lines. It is too bad that you believe such misconceptions.

  77. Jessica, Ron Paul is on a mission to fool you. People don’t change from what he was. He is a person who is a seperatist and a bigot. He just wants in there so he and his family can continue on their mission. You are putting too much faith in someone who does not like Jews, Blacks, Muslims or anything other than rich white people. He is a dangerous man and you are falling for his lines. It is too bad that you believe such misconceptions.

  78. Omar, I wish you luck if you vote for the man. He is not as he seems. You are being fooled.

  79. Omar, I wish you luck if you vote for the man. He is not as he seems. You are being fooled.

  80. Jessica: Speak to people who lived in Birmingham AL in the 1960s, who couldn’t enter restaurants; had to sit at the back of the bus; couldn’t go to certain schools and hospitals or hold certain jobs. That started to change because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was passed at the federal level because southern states wouldn’t pass it at a state level. Paul thought that decision was wrong. What would you say to them – tough luck?

  81. Jessica: Speak to people who lived in Birmingham AL in the 1960s, who couldn’t enter restaurants; had to sit at the back of the bus; couldn’t go to certain schools and hospitals or hold certain jobs. That started to change because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was passed at the federal level because southern states wouldn’t pass it at a state level. Paul thought that decision was wrong. What would you say to them – tough luck?

  82. Yes and Ron Paul backed the people who made blacks sit in the back of the bus. Omar and Jessica need to wake up before they suffer the Ron Paul consequences.

  83. Yes and Ron Paul backed the people who made blacks sit in the back of the bus. Omar and Jessica need to wake up before they suffer the Ron Paul consequences.

  84. Ron Paul doesn’t care if Iran, developing nuclear weapons, is a threat to Israel. Actually, he plans on cutting support to Israel.

  85. Ron Paul doesn’t care if Iran, developing nuclear weapons, is a threat to Israel. Actually, he plans on cutting support to Israel.

  86. because the president doesnt actually manage the country but is head of the executive branch of goverment whos sole function is to enforce the laws of the united states? do you really think that the president actually manages the whole country? ever hear of federalism? so long as paul is able to make sure that the other branches of goverment dont overstep there bounds and vice versa i dont care i just want a president who will make choices based on the constitution, for example if they were to put a bill in front of the president allowing for indefinite dentention (against the constituion) i would like him to veto it same for laws banning or establishing gay marriage (were does the constution say anything on that? any power not in the const is given to the states or the people) or any anti-religious laws (cant due to constution)

  87. because the president doesnt actually manage the country but is head of the executive branch of goverment whos sole function is to enforce the laws of the united states? do you really think that the president actually manages the whole country? ever hear of federalism? so long as paul is able to make sure that the other branches of goverment dont overstep there bounds and vice versa i dont care i just want a president who will make choices based on the constitution, for example if they were to put a bill in front of the president allowing for indefinite dentention (against the constituion) i would like him to veto it same for laws banning or establishing gay marriage (were does the constution say anything on that? any power not in the const is given to the states or the people) or any anti-religious laws (cant due to constution)

  88. Almost as interesting as how Ron Paul split the Right is how he split the Left. Who takes what side and what wins when all of what the Left supposedly believes in is all thrust into conflict with itself. For my part, the wars have to end. Now. Nothing else can be compromised for it. Not one more victim.

  89. Almost as interesting as how Ron Paul split the Right is how he split the Left. Who takes what side and what wins when all of what the Left supposedly believes in is all thrust into conflict with itself. For my part, the wars have to end. Now. Nothing else can be compromised for it. Not one more victim.

  90. Muslims support Ron Paul because he plans on cutting support to Israel.

  91. Muslims support Ron Paul because he plans on cutting support to Israel.

  92. @ earl isreal is a “big boy” they can take care of themselves not to mention the 200 nukes they have and the fact that of iran did nuke isreal the fallout would drift east killing everyone in its path

  93. @ earl isreal is a “big boy” they can take care of themselves not to mention the 200 nukes they have and the fact that of iran did nuke isreal the fallout would drift east killing everyone in its path

  94. Americans are soo full of themselves ,it’s a fucking joke.do u guys realize how much of a prick y’all are in the face of the world ?shame on you all.blood suckers and hipocrites

  95. Americans are soo full of themselves ,it’s a fucking joke.do u guys realize how much of a prick y’all are in the face of the world ?shame on you all.blood suckers and hipocrites

  96. @earl,lame as fuck.we Muslims support Ron cause he wants to stop killing our women and children.i understand racist America is not ready for that so I don’t blame ur hunkey ass

  97. @earl,lame as fuck.we Muslims support Ron cause he wants to stop killing our women and children.i understand racist America is not ready for that so I don’t blame ur hunkey ass

  98. Our allies such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar can fend for themselves against Iran. We need to bring our troops back. As for Israel, there is plenty space in Germany or Austria.

  99. Our allies such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar can fend for themselves against Iran. We need to bring our troops back. As for Israel, there is plenty space in Germany or Austria.

  100. Nice dodge Kevin: So, we’re supposed to believe that Ron Paul merely published a newsletter and harboured none of the racist and homophobic sentiments expressed therein. That mean he 1) didn’t review what was headed to the press, 2) never actually read one of his newsletters and 3) never had a single one of the many good people he knows point out that one of the articles attibuted to him might say something he didn’t agree with.

    It’s one thing to suggest he didn’t knowingly publish crap. It’s quite another to say he never realized crap had been written. And what would it mean if he had been made aware after the fact and did nothing to keep it from happening again. Oh, and what about retractions?

    God, people really are fools.

    Anyone who thinks that the repeal of civil rights protections will lead to more equality of minorities lives in a fantasy world.

  101. Nice dodge Kevin: So, we’re supposed to believe that Ron Paul merely published a newsletter and harboured none of the racist and homophobic sentiments expressed therein. That mean he 1) didn’t review what was headed to the press, 2) never actually read one of his newsletters and 3) never had a single one of the many good people he knows point out that one of the articles attibuted to him might say something he didn’t agree with.

    It’s one thing to suggest he didn’t knowingly publish crap. It’s quite another to say he never realized crap had been written. And what would it mean if he had been made aware after the fact and did nothing to keep it from happening again. Oh, and what about retractions?

    God, people really are fools.

    Anyone who thinks that the repeal of civil rights protections will lead to more equality of minorities lives in a fantasy world.

  102. Babs…RP WILL kill your women and children. He doesn’t like your people. I have always stood up for the people who were getting stomped on in this country but you “ain’t” seen nothing yet. You think George Bush was bad, RP has an agenda against people other than rich white people. George Bush was just a puppet of Dick Cheney and other selfish Republicans. It is important to RP to get to be on top so he can put you on the bottom or out of here.

  103. Babs…RP WILL kill your women and children. He doesn’t like your people. I have always stood up for the people who were getting stomped on in this country but you “ain’t” seen nothing yet. You think George Bush was bad, RP has an agenda against people other than rich white people. George Bush was just a puppet of Dick Cheney and other selfish Republicans. It is important to RP to get to be on top so he can put you on the bottom or out of here.

  104. And Banyama, if RP gets in then American will drift to a new low in the eyes of the world. He will take us back hundreds of years and undo what we have tried to accomplish.

  105. And Banyama, if RP gets in then American will drift to a new low in the eyes of the world. He will take us back hundreds of years and undo what we have tried to accomplish.

  106. Mohamed L’Algeriano, you basically said that you do not care for the allies of US.

  107. Mohamed L’Algeriano, you basically said that you do not care for the allies of US.

  108. Ahahahahahahaha, this conversation is hilarious. And also not worth my time. I’ll go back over to CAIR for real news – and rest in the knowledge that they won’t be promoting the openly fascist candidate in 2012. Ugh… This disgusts me.

  109. Ahahahahahahaha, this conversation is hilarious. And also not worth my time. I’ll go back over to CAIR for real news – and rest in the knowledge that they won’t be promoting the openly fascist candidate in 2012. Ugh… This disgusts me.

  110. @melanie,u talking to me like I give a fuck about an empire which created more drama EVER in the universe.safe urself.i care less about RP.all am saying,once again to all u dumb fucks,vote for RP if u want to keep an already disgusted empire that’s on the verge of crumbling Like the TWIN TOWERS.u dig?

  111. @melanie,u talking to me like I give a fuck about an empire which created more drama EVER in the universe.safe urself.i care less about RP.all am saying,once again to all u dumb fucks,vote for RP if u want to keep an already disgusted empire that’s on the verge of crumbling Like the TWIN TOWERS.u dig?

  112. I can no longer support this site. It has opened up a new world of the non-thinking people.

  113. I can no longer support this site. It has opened up a new world of the non-thinking people.

  114. Interesting propaganda…by positioning RP in this way people who disdain Islamophobia are set up to see themselves as being on the same side as RP, when in fact evidence of his racism, sexism, and theocratic leanings, continue to come to light.

  115. Interesting propaganda…by positioning RP in this way people who disdain Islamophobia are set up to see themselves as being on the same side as RP, when in fact evidence of his racism, sexism, and theocratic leanings, continue to come to light.

  116. Go do wAt u do best,am guessing ‘playing with yaselffff ‘.@melanie

  117. Go do wAt u do best,am guessing ‘playing with yaselffff ‘.@melanie

  118. This Steriod Dan guy is making me sick to ma stomach cause of his ignorance and self centre-ness.i wonder if he has the audacity to carry an AK 47.punk ass motherfucker.go to hell Dan,Satan is waiting for u

  119. This Steriod Dan guy is making me sick to ma stomach cause of his ignorance and self centre-ness.i wonder if he has the audacity to carry an AK 47.punk ass motherfucker.go to hell Dan,Satan is waiting for u

  120. Sounds like Banyama is making some serious threats and on FB no less. How very ignorant of him.

  121. Sounds like Banyama is making some serious threats and on FB no less. How very ignorant of him.

  122. @ melanie, well we can agree on some things apparently

  123. @ melanie, well we can agree on some things apparently

  124. I don’t like Ron Paul either

  125. I don’t like Ron Paul either

  126. I like Ron Paul’s foreign policy, but I hate his domestic policy platform. (which the opposite of most of the mainstream Republicans)

  127. @banyama kill with kindness :)

  128. i meant kill em with kindness

  129. @melanie ur nuts

  130. Ron Paul is a contradiction: He is a politician who speaks his mind, and does not regret it. He must not go to Dallas and drive around in an open top limousine, lest history repeats itself!

  131. @Earl yes RP plans on cutting support to ALL others as we need our money here! he’s not picking on anybody specifically. and y not cut ourselves from Israel a little bit. Do u even know the US was bullied along w/other countries to support the re-creation of Israel? And do u know the Zionist helped and could have cared less about the holocaust? And everybody has condemned Israels actions against humanity and condemned their many atrocities? Everybody but the US does EVEN THE EU and the UN! Israel convinced us based on their “knowledge” that Iraq had wmd’s, which were never found? Y can’t we sit back a minute and give a hard look at who and what we r supporting? Even nutty-yahoo said Israel doesn’t need us and would prefer if we could no longer control them, ie them no longer asking US permission to attack others

  132. did any rightists here even read the article?

  133. Banyama
    Thanks for shittin on the face of Islam, you kno the wholeno foul language or saying mean stuff, its enough people think were out to get them. Nice job
    Kevin
    Thannkkk youuu Israel can fend for itself. It’s got the strngest military after all.

  134. @//Fab Karen via Facebook
    3 January 2012 at 1:22 am
    This is a ridiculously hyperbolic assessment of Paul’s position. I am a gay white man who has an often raunchy sense of humor but am not myself a misogynist, racist, or a creep. Many of these issues can be circumstantial and intent is key. People who are way too easily offended are idiots and probably shouldn’t pretend they understand someone’s conversation when obviously they are incapable. I’m not a huge fan of Paul, but I am a huge fan of being realistic and thinking about what he MEANS when he says something, not exaggerating his or anyone’s position to this farcical conclusion.

  135. After reading these comments, it really is incredible how politics brings out the disgusting side of people.

  136. While disagreeing with much of RP’s polities he’s the only candidate who wants to end the ‘endless’ wars and restore the constitution. If I had the right to vote in the US he’d be my candidate for President. The rest are all war mongers and liars and murderers, Obama being the worst of them.

  137. you guys are retarded. how can you post a link with ron paul contributors, see the top 2 as us navy and military and then say he’s a corporate shill? he has a special interest group…they’re called the people of this united states. not the people of the middle east. and why all the israel hate from muslim americans? you guys get 7x the funding, and got a mosque in new york city. do you even know about the persecution of christians in muslim countries? are you aware that islam forbids you from converting? are you aware that Israel allows gays in the military but Islam is anti-gay? are you aware that Muhammad did it with a 6-year old? for all your bitching and moaning Israel’s enemies get 7x the funding that this democracy gets. fuck this site.

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