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MUHAMMAD IS THE 99 PERCENT

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MUHAMMAD IS THE 99 PERCENT

Robert Spencer provides a biography of Muhammad in chapter 1 of his book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), a chapter he entitles “Muhammad: Prophet of War.”  I have been writing a rebuttal of this chapter, but as I do so, I realize that perhaps I should contemporaneously provide a “counter-biography.”  This will be an attempt at doing that, while at the same time tying in Spencer’s work.

Because the United States is involved in many wars in the Muslim world, many Americans want to know what Islam is all about.  Unfortunately, they often either knowingly or unknowingly get that information from extremely anti-Muslim sources.  This is especially the case when they hear about Muhammad, the founder of Islam.  Most Americans are woefully ignorant about Muhammad, and what little they do know is nothing more than talking points against him made by Islamophobes.

There are certainly events in Muhammad’s life that are open to scrutiny (events that we will analyze in this “counter-biography”), but it is extremely ignorant to limit one’s knowledge to these.  It would be like studying the history of America’s Founding Fathers, and only focusing on their extramarital affairs, their racism and slave-holding, and their genocidal wars against the American Indians.  That’s not history.  That’s nothing short of ideologue-driven propaganda.

Indeed, there is a side of Muhammad that Americans desperately need to know in order to have a more balanced and accurate view of him.  In fact, there is much about Muhammad that the liberal, secular West has to like.  We don’t need to look at Muslim apologia to find this.  Rather, it’s found in the books of America’s most respected historians.

On that note, I should probably say something about my use of the term “counter-biography,” which wrongly implies revisionism.  In reality, my biography of Muhammad will be in line with mainstream Western scholarship, and it is the narrative taught in America’s universities (and has been for many decades).  Meanwhile, it is Robert Spencer’s biography of Muhammad that engages in revisionism born out of nativist populism and a clear anti-Muslim animus.  It is exactly the reason that mainstream historians and scholars have nothing but disdain for people like Spencer, and why Spencer in turn accuses them of “dhimmitude.”

With that clarification, our “counter-biography” begins circa 570 A.D., in the city of Mecca, Muhammad’s birthplace.  Not much is known about Muhammad’s childhood, but we do know that it was marked by tragedy: his father died when he was only six months of age, and his mother passed away when he was six years old.  The newly orphaned boy was taken in by his grandfather, who also died just two years later.  His uncle, Abu Talib, then took guardianship of Muhammad.

Family, clan, and tribe meant everything in sixth and seventh-century Arabia.  Muhammad’s family and clan were going through difficult times, which must have been especially trying for Muhammad the orphan.  It is likely that Muhammad’s childhood experience, as a weak and vulnerable member of an impoverished clan, shaped the man he would become and the views he would hold, particularly his desire to protect the poor and weak from the rich and powerful.

Very little is known about Muhammad’s teenage years.  He would accompany his uncle, Abu Talib, on trade caravans to Syria.  We also know that Muhammad accompanied him during the Sacrilegious War (Harb al-Fijar), a four-year war that broke out between Muhammad’s tribe and another.  The extent of Muhammad’s participation in the war is disputed, but it is generally agreed that it was mostly in a non-combat support role, picking up enemy arrows from the ground.

The very first three lines of Robert Spencer’s biography are extremely misleading as he uses this event to portray Muhammad as having been “experience[d] as a warrior before he assumed the role of prophet.”  I have already refuted this argument in my previous article, where I pointed out that Muhammad not only played a very limited role (a far cry from the “fierce warrior” image that Spencer has portrayed), but he would later express regret over it.

After the war came to a close, Muhammad participated in the League of the Virtuous (an event that is omitted entirely from Spencer’s biography), a body designed to bring peace on earth and to end bloodshed, violence, and war; the League also aimed “to protect the weak and the defenseless.”  I have discussed the League of the Virtuous in more detail here.  Under the heading of Hilf al-Fudul (the League of the Virtuous), Thomas Patrick Hughes’ A Dictionary of Islam says:

A confederacy formed…for the suppression of violence and injustice at the restoration of peace after the Sacrilegious war. Muhammad was then a youth, and Sir William Muir says this confederacy “aroused an enthusiasm in the mind of Mahomet [Muhammad], which the exploits of the Sacrilegious war failed to kindle.”

Muhammad liked the idea of “protect[ing] the weak and the defenseless,” this being yet another event in his early life that would inspire him.  He also seemed to approve of “international”–or in his context, “super-tribal”–efforts to bring peace to Arabia and thereby avoid bloodshed.  Some time later in his life (still before he became a prophet), Muhammad is said to have arbitrated a peaceful settlement between various tribes with regard to the rebuilding of a shrine, a matter that almost came to swords.

It was a few years later that Muhammad declared his prophethood.  Robert Spencer writes on p.3 of his book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades):

But [Muhammad’s] unique role as prophet-warrior would come later.  After receiving revelations from Allah through the angel Gabriel in 610, he began by just preaching to his tribe the worship of One God and his own position as a prophet.  But he was not well received by his Quraysh brethren in Mecca, who reacted disdainfully to his prophetic call and refused to give up their gods.

(Note: “Allah” is simply the Arabic term for “God”; Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians, for example, refer to God as “Allah”, as does the Arabic Bible itself.)

Spencer specifically inserts the word “just” into the following sentence: “[Muhammad] began by justpreaching to his tribe the worship of One God and his own position as a prophet.”  While it is certainly true that Muhammad placed a great emphasis on monotheism, it is not true that he just preached this (or just “his own position as a prophet”).

Neither could these two reasons alone explain why the leaders of the Quraysh (the dominant tribe of Mecca) reacted so disdainfully to Muhammad’s message.  Indeed, a strong component of this opposition came from Muhammad’s call to sweeping social reform;  Prof. Caesar E. Farah writes:

Muhammad’s preaching of monotheism and social reform went hand in hand. Indeed, no other message is so thoroughly underscored in the revelations received from Allah than the stress on equal treatment and social justice. To Muhammad these constituted a vital concomitant of worship. The revelations of the one and only God enjoin consistently the exercise of mercy and benevolence as the necessary adjuncts of belief in Him.

This dual role of Muhammad as preacher and reformer is largely evident in his life and career. [1]

Muhammad was a strong proponent of social justice, arguing for greater rights and protections for the poor and the weak.  He criticized Meccan society as decadent, especially for the way the rich and the powerful (the 1%) treated the most vulnerable members of society (the 99%).

He preached the importance of charity to the poor, a topic that the Quran stresses over and over.  The list of Quranic verses and hadiths that mandate or encourage charity is very extensive and too long to reproduce here, but suffice to say, Muhammad would eventually obligate charity upon all Muslims who could afford it.  He linked charity to salvation itself, declaring: “Charity extinguishes sin as water extinguishes fire.” [2]

But, Muhammad’s message was more radical than this: in a statement that would make a Republican’s head explode, Muhammad said:

God has made the payment of charity from [your] wealth obligatory on [you], to be taken from the wealthy among [you] and given to the poor. [3]

And further, he said:

God has enjoined upon wealthy Muslims a due to be taken from their wealth corresponding to the needs of the poor among them. The poor will never suffer from starvation or lack of clothes unless the wealthy neglect their due. If they do, God will surely hold them accountable and punish them severely. [4]

The wealthy should not just willingly give their wealth to the poor, but it is the right (haq) of the poor to be granted something from this wealth.  The Quran argues that it is from God’s Sustenance from which the prosperous are given their wealth, and that God Himself mandates that a portion of it should be given to the poor:

In their wealth is the right (haq) of the beggar and destitute. (Quran, 51:19)

Not only do the poor have a right to a portion of this wealth, but those who give charity “must wish no reward or thanks” from the one who accepts it (76:9), seeking their reward from God alone.  Muhammad obligated a reasonable percentage of one’s wealth to be given to charity (zakat), butrecommended giving swaths of it away (sadaqa).  He linked charity to salvation, and miserliness in this regard to damnation.

He preached that all humans would be held to account by God for how they spent their money, and that God did not look kindly to those men who “squandered” their wealth on worldly pursuits.  This message was not just a kindly suggestion but a stinging rebuke of those who “devour the wealth of mankind wantonly” (Quran, 4:29); it condemned the extremely rich (the 1%) who “squandered [their] wealth in extravagance” and who “hoard[ed] up gold and silver”; the Quran commanded:

Give relatives their due, and the needy, and the wayfarer.  Do not squander your wealth in extravagance!  Squanderers are the brethren of Satan. (Quran 17:26-27)

That Muhammad supported “the 99%” over “the 1%” can be ascertained by his prayer:

O God, grant me life as a poor man, cause me to die as a poor man, and resurrect me in their company.

When he was asked why that was, he replied:

Because the poor will enter Paradise before the rich.  Do not turn away a poor man even if all you can give is half a date.  If you love the poor and bring them near you, God will bring you near Him on Judgment Day. [5]

Wealth in Mecca was concentrated among the city’s nobles; Muhammad questioned the concept of nobility altogether, preaching equality before the law and, more importantly, before God.  The Quran declared that ”the most noble of you in the sight of God is the most righteous of you” (Quran, 49:13).  Muhammad condemned the inequality of society, whereby the poor would be punished for a crime but a rich person would be let off scott-free.  He would later admonish his fellow believers:

The people before you were destroyed [by God] because they inflicted legal punishments on the poor and forgave the rich. [6]

Muhammad spoke out strongly against the practice of usury, the charging of exorbitantly high interest rates.  This was a practice that caused many of the poorer people to become completely bankrupt.  Meanwhile, Muhammad preached mercy towards debtors.  The Quran urged lenders:

If the debtor is in difficulty, grant him time till it is easy for him to repay. But if you forgive the debt by way of charity, that is best for you, if you only knew. (Quran, 2:280)

In summary, Muhammad’s message stressed that “wealth should not just circulate between the rich among you” (Quran, 59:7).  Prof. Eugene F. Gorski writes:

It should be noted that from the beginning, the religion Muhammad preached was much more than an acceptance of monotheism. The Qur’an required the Meccans to change their immoral ways. The emphasis of the earliest chapters of the Qur’an was overwhelmingly on social-economic justice: it is good to feed the poor and take care of the needy; it is evil to accumulate wealth solely for one’s own behalf. Muhammad condemned the powerful rich for the oppression of the enfeebled poor and insisted that charitable service for one’s fellow human beings was the identifying characteristic of all faithful Muslims. [7]

It is no wonder then that the majority of Muhammad’s early members were from the depressed classes of society, as Prof. Charles Lindholm notes:

In Mecca, Muhammad’s revelations at first had relatively little influence. His original converts were his wife and some of his closest relatives, but most of the early believers were those who were poor, disenfranchised and humble. They were drawn to the Quran’s condemnation of excessive riches, to its advocacy of generous donations to care for the disadvantaged, and to its repudiation of the arrogance and selfishness of the wealthy. [8]

Islam’s early enemies spoke disdainfully of the “rabble” that followed Muhammad.  Interestingly, Ali Sina, an ardent Islamophobe (one spoken highly of by Robert Spencer), writes off Muhammad’s early followers, saying:

Compare that to the early followers of Muhammad in Mecca. They were mostly the poor, the disenfranchised slaves, the rebellious youths, and a few disaffected women. He preached to the slaves that they should escape the yoke of their masters and emigrate; he told the youths to disobey their parents and follow him; he spoke of social equality and the brotherhood of all the believers… [9]

Is Sina describing Muhammad’s early followers or “the 99 percent movement”?  Like the 99 percent movement of today, it was the rich and powerful that stood in staunch opposition: “Muhammad’s message angered the rich and powerful people of Mecca.” [10] The opposition to Muhammad was led by the nobles of Mecca, who opposed Muhammad’s egalitarian principles and calls to social reform.  This was one of their major motivations behind opposing Muhammad (in addition to Muhammad’s call to monotheism).  Yet, Robert Spencer’s The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) completely omits this all-important fact, leaving the reader with a skewed impression of Islam’s prophet.

Muhammad also called to reform the condition of slaves and women, which is why he attracted so many slave and women followers.  Prof. Stephen P. Heyneman writes:

A major principle of the Qur’an is that of establishing a just society, one concerned with socioeconomic equality among its component parts. The treatment of women and children, as well as reformation of the institution of slavery, were important elements in this concern with establishing an ethical and viable social order. Muhammad criticized Meccan society for its disregard for the welfare of its weaker members; as an orphan, he had personal acquaintance with the treatment meted out to anyone without powerful support.

Many of the reforms of pre-Islamic customs stipulated in the Qur’an concerned the well-being of women and children, particularly girls. Female infanticide (wa’d)–whether for reasons of honor or poverty–was abolished. Reforms were made to ameliorate some injustices committed by men [against women]…Many of the underprivileged referred to in the Qur’an were women…General injunctions include the right of the indigent to share of the abundance of the wealth…
Specific injunctions recommend express measures to better care for the poor and orphaned. [11]

But because the hate propaganda against Islam is so fierce in regard to these two topics (i.e. Islam and slavery, Islam and women), it would require pages and pages of in-depth analysis that I neither have space or time to delve into at the present; therefore, I will postpone this discussion for a later time.  Suffice to say, however, it is quite incorrect to claim that Muhammad “just preached” monotheism and “his own position as a prophet.”  He preached quite a lot more than that.  As William Montgomery Watt wrote:

In his day and generation Muhammad was a social reformer, indeed a reformer even in the sphere of morals. He created a new system of social security and a new family structure, both of which were a vast improvement on what went before. [12]

When it comes to Muhammad, there is a tendency to scrutinize and even malign him to a far greater extent than any other figure in history.  There are all sorts of arguments raised to justify this special standard, which I will analyze in the future.  For now, however, it is important for the neutral reader to understand that for all that the Islam-haters criticize in this very important historical figure, there is much to like.

Danios was the Brass Crescent Award Honorary Mention for Best Writer in 2010 and the Brass Crescent Award Winner for Best Writer in 2011.

Footnotes:
[1] Ceasar E. Farah, Islam (7th Ed.), p.38
[2] Sunan al-Tirmidhi : 2541
[3] Sayyid Saabiq, Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Section 3.1
[4] Ibid.
[5] Sunan al-Tirmidhi : 1376
[6] Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 778
[7] Eugene F. Gorski, Theology of Religions, p.222
[8] Charles Lindholm, The Islamic Middle East, pp.66-68
[9] Ali Sina, Understanding Muhammad, p.209; Sina goes on to argue, quite unconvincingly, that Muhammad’s early followers must then not have been sincere in their belief of him, an argument he raises with little proof.
[10] Richard Wormser, American Islam, p.17
[11] Stephen P. Heyneman, Islam and Social Policy, p.53
[12] William Montgomery Watt, Muhammad at Medina, p.332

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83 Comments »

  1. Look, I’m against Islamaphobia, or bigotry of any kind. However, if you’re going to turn this page into a means to jam Islam down our throats, I’m gonna leave.

  2. u guys are so awesome. god bless you.

  3. u guys are so awesome. god bless you.

  4. The article ends with this: “For now, however, it is important for the neutral reader to understand that for all that the Islam-haters criticize in this very important historical figure, there is much to like.” Does that sound like the author is jamming Islam down our throat?

  5. Hey, cool, so did Jesus!
    Also Isaiah and lots of other prophets.

  6. Hey, cool, so did Jesus!
    Also Isaiah and lots of other prophets.

  7. Jesus was raised from the dead…And lives!!!!!!He is sovereign!!

  8. Jesus was raised from the dead…And lives!!!!!!He is sovereign!!

  9. Muhammad (pbuh) was a very noble and charitable man. However, I would not be so hasty to compare him to the “99%”, a mantra used by “Occupy”, who have a good message but do things that are questionable.

  10. Muhammad (pbuh) was a very noble and charitable man. However, I would not be so hasty to compare him to the “99%”, a mantra used by “Occupy”, who have a good message but do things that are questionable.

  11. Phobia? Don’t play victims… Your taking over…But it is written.aYou will not win..Jesus is King.aJugde & lawgiver..

  12. Phobia? Don’t play victims… Your taking over…But it is written.aYou will not win..Jesus is King.aJugde & lawgiver..

  13. @Rev. Pete, II’m ordained too, and I have to put up with Christian crapola on a regular basis, so you keep your religion to you, and my Pagan self will be relieved. I find it VERY interesting that you had that kind of OVERREACTION to this post, Hmnnn…..

    At no point is anyone :”trying t o ram Islam down your throat.” You’re like a kid, whining for no reason. I would bet you are NOT familiar with this thing we call “The Bill of Rights”.

    You, you hypocrite, as the only one even hinting at that. I’m guessing your faith is as weak as your post,

  14. @Rev. Pete, II’m ordained too, and I have to put up with Christian crapola on a regular basis, so you keep your religion to you, and my Pagan self will be relieved. I find it VERY interesting that you had that kind of OVERREACTION to this post, Hmnnn…..

    At no point is anyone :”trying t o ram Islam down your throat.” You’re like a kid, whining for no reason. I would bet you are NOT familiar with this thing we call “The Bill of Rights”.

    You, you hypocrite, as the only one even hinting at that. I’m guessing your faith is as weak as your post,

  15. Muhammad (Saw) is the final Prophet/Messenger sent by God to humanity (who perfected good manners). Don’t compare him to disbelievers who have bad manners and who support democracy. Muhammad (saw) supported the rule of God, just as Moses (as) did when God sent him. I find this post to be very offensive, dont ever compare my Prophet (saw) to such barbarians.

  16. Muhammad (Saw) is the final Prophet/Messenger sent by God to humanity (who perfected good manners). Don’t compare him to disbelievers who have bad manners and who support democracy. Muhammad (saw) supported the rule of God, just as Moses (as) did when God sent him. I find this post to be very offensive, dont ever compare my Prophet (saw) to such barbarians.

  17. Oh my…and here starts the religion debate. Its sad how the point was completely missed.

  18. Oh my…and here starts the religion debate. Its sad how the point was completely missed.

  19. And Muhammad pbuh is also my prophet…and I find this article very pleasing and well written. God bless

  20. And Muhammad pbuh is also my prophet…and I find this article very pleasing and well written. God bless

  21. I agree, Sulaiman, the point was completely missed by both non-Muslim posters and Muslim posters alike.

  22. I agree, Sulaiman, the point was completely missed by both non-Muslim posters and Muslim posters alike.

  23. Hahaha @ Lynda. We submit to the will of God. In your case, you submit to Jesus. Jesus submitted to the will of God and instructed you to do the same. I guess you missed that part. You’re the real loser.. Have a nice day

  24. Hahaha @ Lynda. We submit to the will of God. In your case, you submit to Jesus. Jesus submitted to the will of God and instructed you to do the same. I guess you missed that part. You’re the real loser.. Have a nice day

  25. I’m an atheist and have my own view of Christianity and Islam but one difference I notice is that Muslims make much more of an effort to understand Mohammed, Islamic history and its relevance today than Christians tend to.

  26. I’m an atheist and have my own view of Christianity and Islam but one difference I notice is that Muslims make much more of an effort to understand Mohammed, Islamic history and its relevance today than Christians tend to.

  27. @Lynda__Don’t play victims?? We’re being tortured all over the world because of ignorant people like you in top government positions. Look at the facts and then open your mouth.

  28. @Lynda__Don’t play victims?? We’re being tortured all over the world because of ignorant people like you in top government positions. Look at the facts and then open your mouth.

  29. To call Mohammed the “Prophet of War” is ludicrous & obviously illinformed…did this author EVER read the Old Testament??? the supposed wrath of God smited down thousands of people in the name of “God’s will” thru wars,plague & pillage. Remember..Genesis even says the victor in wars is entitled to rape the enemy women left behind..this is Man’s interpretation…God’s intent was for the victorious men to take care & support the women they have widowed thru their violence. Islam,Judiasm & Christianity are ALL religions based on the premise of PEACE,HARMONY & BROTHERLY LOVE!!! It is man’s warped & twisted interpretations,greed & power that subvert these doctrines!!! God is love!!!

  30. To call Mohammed the “Prophet of War” is ludicrous & obviously illinformed…did this author EVER read the Old Testament??? the supposed wrath of God smited down thousands of people in the name of “God’s will” thru wars,plague & pillage. Remember..Genesis even says the victor in wars is entitled to rape the enemy women left behind..this is Man’s interpretation…God’s intent was for the victorious men to take care & support the women they have widowed thru their violence. Islam,Judiasm & Christianity are ALL religions based on the premise of PEACE,HARMONY & BROTHERLY LOVE!!! It is man’s warped & twisted interpretations,greed & power that subvert these doctrines!!! God is love!!!

  31. Thankyou julius…have a great day:))))no hard feelings..I pray for a pure heart <3

  32. Thankyou julius…have a great day:))))no hard feelings..I pray for a pure heart <3

  33. Good article,bty! Rev.it sounds like you only want to “tolerate” the existance of Muslims but don’t want to REALLY understand them or their religion & fear that if you do you are abandoning your faith which couldn’t be further from the truth! Christians,Jews & Muslims are MORE alike than they are different…they all are descended from the House of Abraham! Why do so many so-called Christians align themselves politically & spiritually w/Israel/Judiasm,a faith that many do NOT acknowledge Jesus even as a prophet but Islam DOES!!! Read the Quran sometime,Rev(you too Linda) & you will see the similarities & actually scripture from our Bible repeated as it is a compilation of the tenants taught thruout the yrs before Mohammed combined w/his visions/dreams from God’s angels(mush like the desciples)!!!

  34. Good article,bty! Rev.it sounds like you only want to “tolerate” the existance of Muslims but don’t want to REALLY understand them or their religion & fear that if you do you are abandoning your faith which couldn’t be further from the truth! Christians,Jews & Muslims are MORE alike than they are different…they all are descended from the House of Abraham! Why do so many so-called Christians align themselves politically & spiritually w/Israel/Judiasm,a faith that many do NOT acknowledge Jesus even as a prophet but Islam DOES!!! Read the Quran sometime,Rev(you too Linda) & you will see the similarities & actually scripture from our Bible repeated as it is a compilation of the tenants taught thruout the yrs before Mohammed combined w/his visions/dreams from God’s angels(mush like the desciples)!!!

  35. Fayez…The jews are chosen…You are not from Israel…You might be peaceful..you might not be radical…you have extreme fundamental problems within your “faith” I have no disagreement or argument. I believe in peace..Offending others is a side effect of the trurh..Blessed are the mocked and persecuted for they are truly children of God….Those whi sow in tears reap in joy..comfort to you, from the word of God..I di not mean to use my wirds as swords..yet we find ourselves at odds here no matter what..

  36. Fayez…The jews are chosen…You are not from Israel…You might be peaceful..you might not be radical…you have extreme fundamental problems within your “faith” I have no disagreement or argument. I believe in peace..Offending others is a side effect of the trurh..Blessed are the mocked and persecuted for they are truly children of God….Those whi sow in tears reap in joy..comfort to you, from the word of God..I di not mean to use my wirds as swords..yet we find ourselves at odds here no matter what..

  37. Lynda..you’ve been on here before & we have questioned why you still REPEAT the same crap when this site is to FIGHT Islamophobia & misrepresenting this faith is STILL Islamophobia!!! GO AWAY!!!

  38. Rev & Lynda….”We believe in Allah and what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Issac and Jacob and the tribes,and what Moses and Jesus were given and what all the prophets were given by their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. We are Muslims submitted to Him.” (Surat al-Baqara,136-Holy Quran…..learn & ye shall know the truth(Bible paraphrased)!!!

  39. Rev & Lynda….”We believe in Allah and what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Issac and Jacob and the tribes,and what Moses and Jesus were given and what all the prophets were given by their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. We are Muslims submitted to Him.” (Surat al-Baqara,136-Holy Quran…..learn & ye shall know the truth(Bible paraphrased)!!!

  40. That’s the BS I’m talking about. Jews are the chosen people from God but Jesus died for your sins? This is how absurd Lynda’s logic is. If they’re the chosen people then become a Jew and close your mouth. Unfortunately, you can’t get into the Jew only club so continue to advocate for them while they ridicule your faith. For your info, Jews are not the chosen people. They were at one point because they submitted to the will of God. They just chose to call themselves Jews and their religion Judaism because they felt the need. With all this said, it was always submission to the will of God (Islam). You and the chosen Jews walked away from that and chose to ignore the rest of what God revealed. Ignorant people kill me. Think before you speak

  41. That’s the BS I’m talking about. Jews are the chosen people from God but Jesus died for your sins? This is how absurd Lynda’s logic is. If they’re the chosen people then become a Jew and close your mouth. Unfortunately, you can’t get into the Jew only club so continue to advocate for them while they ridicule your faith. For your info, Jews are not the chosen people. They were at one point because they submitted to the will of God. They just chose to call themselves Jews and their religion Judaism because they felt the need. With all this said, it was always submission to the will of God (Islam). You and the chosen Jews walked away from that and chose to ignore the rest of what God revealed. Ignorant people kill me. Think before you speak

  42. @Darla, They don’t want the truth because they’re comfortable with being ignorant and rejecting logic. Whenever a prophet came speaking the truth about God, the disbelievers were on full display. Sure they claimed to have believed but soon as the real deal came along, they rejected it and demonized the true believers. This is nothing new. It happened to Noah, Jonah, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them) for example. They all preached the real deal and people rejected them. So when Muhammad (peace be upon him) comes along and preaches the same exact thing, people instantly rejected him. This is what is happening today..

  43. @Darla, They don’t want the truth because they’re comfortable with being ignorant and rejecting logic. Whenever a prophet came speaking the truth about God, the disbelievers were on full display. Sure they claimed to have believed but soon as the real deal came along, they rejected it and demonized the true believers. This is nothing new. It happened to Noah, Jonah, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them) for example. They all preached the real deal and people rejected them. So when Muhammad (peace be upon him) comes along and preaches the same exact thing, people instantly rejected him. This is what is happening today..

  44. Lynda…are you a right wing fundi? Who do you speak for? The Palestinians are the ones being oppressed by the Zionists…lest you froget that Israel was created out of Historical Palestine in 1948…Israel is now illegally occupying Palestine since 1967. the West Bank..including Jerusalem

  45. Lynda…are you a right wing fundi? Who do you speak for? The Palestinians are the ones being oppressed by the Zionists…lest you froget that Israel was created out of Historical Palestine in 1948…Israel is now illegally occupying Palestine since 1967. the West Bank..including Jerusalem

  46. To further my point, look how fast they reject the truth and logic as soon as the truth is presented to them. Even Jesus in the Bible spoke of Muhammad (peace be upon them) as the final messenger but they reject it and claim otherwise. “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you” (John 16:12-14). Clear and simple instructions but noooo, that can’t possibly be referring to someone coming afterwards. They’ve made their choice so whatever. “The truth is on the side of the oppressed” – El Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X)

  47. To further my point, look how fast they reject the truth and logic as soon as the truth is presented to them. Even Jesus in the Bible spoke of Muhammad (peace be upon them) as the final messenger but they reject it and claim otherwise. “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you” (John 16:12-14). Clear and simple instructions but noooo, that can’t possibly be referring to someone coming afterwards. They’ve made their choice so whatever. “The truth is on the side of the oppressed” – El Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X)

  48. julius please show me proof of jesus speaking of mohammed?

  49. julius please show me proof of jesus speaking of mohammed?

  50. 99% of what? Child molesters?

  51. FREE PALESTINE!!!! Israel must NOT attack Iran, and if they do, they MUST do it on their own, with no promise of help from the U.S. We are just getting out of untenable wars in the Middle East and must not entasngle ourselves in another. Israel, you can fight and trample the weak asnd oppressed, see how you do against a fearsome nation which truly hates you; IRAN. Yes, Iran must be stopped, but sanctions must be allowed to work so the people of Iran will rise up once again and put down the cruel existing government. But the U.S. must not involve itself in such an uprising. We must NOT side with Israel in this.

  52. FREE PALESTINE!!!! Israel must NOT attack Iran, and if they do, they MUST do it on their own, with no promise of help from the U.S. We are just getting out of untenable wars in the Middle East and must not entasngle ourselves in another. Israel, you can fight and trample the weak asnd oppressed, see how you do against a fearsome nation which truly hates you; IRAN. Yes, Iran must be stopped, but sanctions must be allowed to work so the people of Iran will rise up once again and put down the cruel existing government. But the U.S. must not involve itself in such an uprising. We must NOT side with Israel in this.

  53. I just gave the reference but I’ll explain further. From that verse alone, the truth cannot be denied that he is indeed speaking of a Man to follow in his footsteps. To determine if that was indeed Muhammad being referred to, you have to go all the way back to the beginning and then end with Islam. Since the beginning, the message of total submission to God (Islam) has always been the way of life. For it to be Muhammad he’d have to fit the exact description that Jesus described. Muhammad never told a lie and was known as the truthful one. He was illiterate so the Angel Gabriel recited the words of God to him and he had his companions record them verbatim. Within this revelation, it also had to confirm what was revealed before. It also had to point out the truth from the false. Muhammad did all these things. Deuteronomy 18:18-22, also refers to Muhammad but again, Christians claim it was Jesus and it was not. Jesus was unlike any prophet from God and he was the most unique. He still preached the same message though. With all of the contradictions within the New Testament and few in the Old Testament, one would have to assume that if God is perfect than whatever he sends must reflect that perfection. The Quran is the only book that lives up to this perfection and it also highlights the falsehood added by man within the previous texts in detail. Lastly, for Islam to be the truth, it would have to guide us into all truth exactly how Jesus said the “Spirit of Truth” would do.

  54. I just gave the reference but I’ll explain further. From that verse alone, the truth cannot be denied that he is indeed speaking of a Man to follow in his footsteps. To determine if that was indeed Muhammad being referred to, you have to go all the way back to the beginning and then end with Islam. Since the beginning, the message of total submission to God (Islam) has always been the way of life. For it to be Muhammad he’d have to fit the exact description that Jesus described. Muhammad never told a lie and was known as the truthful one. He was illiterate so the Angel Gabriel recited the words of God to him and he had his companions record them verbatim. Within this revelation, it also had to confirm what was revealed before. It also had to point out the truth from the false. Muhammad did all these things. Deuteronomy 18:18-22, also refers to Muhammad but again, Christians claim it was Jesus and it was not. Jesus was unlike any prophet from God and he was the most unique. He still preached the same message though. With all of the contradictions within the New Testament and few in the Old Testament, one would have to assume that if God is perfect than whatever he sends must reflect that perfection. The Quran is the only book that lives up to this perfection and it also highlights the falsehood added by man within the previous texts in detail. Lastly, for Islam to be the truth, it would have to guide us into all truth exactly how Jesus said the “Spirit of Truth” would do.

  55. Saying “Muhammad is the 99%” is slanderous and insulting. While it is true that Rasulullah (salallahu alayhi wa sallam) was an advocate of doing justice to the poor, implying some sort of similarity between him and the Occupy Movement (or any secular political ideology) is disrespectful an unworthy of the high dignity afforded to a prophet. It is like saying “Muhammad is a Communist” or “Muhammad is a Democrat”. Muhammad is the Messenger of God and the bearer of a divine revelation. He is not to be associate with petty secular leftist politics.

  56. Saying “Muhammad is the 99%” is slanderous and insulting. While it is true that Rasulullah (salallahu alayhi wa sallam) was an advocate of doing justice to the poor, implying some sort of similarity between him and the Occupy Movement (or any secular political ideology) is disrespectful an unworthy of the high dignity afforded to a prophet. It is like saying “Muhammad is a Communist” or “Muhammad is a Democrat”. Muhammad is the Messenger of God and the bearer of a divine revelation. He is not to be associate with petty secular leftist politics.

  57. Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, and Adam are all prophets with the same message according to the teachings of the Quran.

    Unfortunately, pro-Israel Zionists are the source of conflict between Christians, Muslims, and peace loving Jews. Not all Jews support Israel and it’s terrorist acts against America like 9/11 and the slaughter of Muslims in Palestine.

  58. Darla you are wrong.I have never been on this page.Further more…I can & have the right to speak my point of view.And I don’t want to offend..I have no malice. .I am interested in learning.are you..because you are showing a bias…be a good role model..these are holy worls issues…and I try to represent for the sake peace….abd you just go for low blows, opinion & disrespect ….

  59. Julius..I do not reject Jesus….

  60. Neither do Muslims. If you truly love Jesus then submit to the will of Allah and embrace Muhammad as the final messenger. Will you do it? Who knows. I hope that you will. Either you’re submitting to Allah or something else entirely. Peace

  61. Idiots on board

    I think your name speaks for itself…

    “child molesters” my ass. Aisha the prophets wife of “9” was really 18. Child marriages i find gross and unIslamic. But your a bigot for believing we advocate for that kinda crap. Look at some of the catholic priests, then talk.

  62. ^^^and there you have it ladies and gentlemen, ¨¨Either you’re submitting to Allah or something else ¨¨ so here we can see that their so called allah is not the same as the god of the jews and christians, don´t ever believe their lies, look up TAQQIYA, it is a law under islam that makes it acceptable to lie about islam to non-muslims to further the cause of islam, and the cause of islam is to have the entire world submit to the will of allah, i.e sharia law etc etc

  63. Jonathan

    The taqiyyah thing is a shiite thing, btw. And im pretty sure there are guidlines for it, like there are guidlines for Hajj or prayer.
    The will of allah…haha sharia… No lets say god forbid your wife died of illness. Thats allahs will. Its the will of god whatever happens you know?
    You dont understand sharia do you?
    1. Shariah in Arabic means law. So please stop saying law law ok?
    2. The implementation of Shariah in the middle East is much different than the one stated in the Quran. The middle east uses scary ways and stricter means of implementation to keep leaders in power. Its not religious.

    Btw, allah is the Arabic word for God. Christians and Jews who speak Arabic say it.
    You know when you say “polytheists worship many gods”? Take out gods and put in ilaha and thats where Allah comes from. Were not polytheistic. We believe in the Onne who created the heavens and the earth, abraham and ishmael and jesus and adam. You dont believe me? Thats funny cause theres proof everywhere. We name our kids after abraham, josef, adam and the other biblical prophets,mary has her own chapter in the quran, the israelites and nazarenes and the byzantines have their own too. (surat mariam, surat bani israil, surat al kahf, surat al qasas, etc) i encourage you to look at them

  64. Ok also Jonathan

    Theres this thing in Islam called the pillars of faith and the pillars of Islam. If we follow them we are gaurenteed paradise.

    Faith pillars
    1. Belief and faith in One God
    2. Belief in his angels
    3. Belief in his books (muslims believe in the quran but also the Bible and Torah in their original forms. Also something called the Zabur, which was king Davids law etc)
    4. Belief in His prophets (from Adam to Mohammad and everyone in between)
    5. Belief in the Last Day.

    Faith of Islam
    1. Shehadah, meaning to proclaim God as one and Muhammad as his final messenger.
    2. Prayer 5 times a day
    3. Giving alms to the poor
    4. Fasting Ramadan
    5. Haajj, the pilgrimage to mekka. (if you can afford to)

    Now these are basic but besides honesty, being kind and tolerant, and modesty, these are the doctrines of our faith

  65. Her not submitting to Allah is on her. No one is forcing. Just a wise suggestion that’s all. Who do you submit to?

  66. My lies huh? Ok look in our book. Oh wait is that all a lie too? Are we somehow teaching each other to say this and that and making conspiracies, man you are CLOSEMINDED. Talk to a muslim on a personal level. Most of our biggest concerns are money and education, dont believe me look around you. We dont even have time to do that bull you just shit, please man pick up a Quran.

    I aint telling you to convert, but to learn is always good. See what your doing, you only see the negative aspects and dont even bother to read up on why it is or ask a muslim. Believe me were more concerned with teaching you the truth, thats dawa. After that, who cares wat you do. Btw, forced conversion is forbidden in our religion. The spread by the sword is waaay off. Go find out why. (look up the Quraysh, abu lahab, battle of Badr, pact of medinah) i dare you.
    Trust me, youll learn quite a lot.

  67. http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=l4SdHK_HCpA

    This is boona mohammads “war on error” hes an african american muslim whos rapping about how non muslims who fight islam dont understand who we are let alone who mohammad was and is also directed at muslims to not succumb to peoples threats and cruel words. Lol its all bullying. Why do people bully? Theyre either afraid or jealous or stupid. :) not saying you are though..

  68. http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=hSRNwPb98eQ

    By undercovermuslimgirl

    Very straightfoeward

  69. Faisal salah- leave me alone

  70. Most Christians have been taught that Jesus is the end of the prophets and they will reject any further person, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc.

    Did mohammad say these 2 things:

    1. Divide the booty thusly….

    2. Don’t bother to use azl with the captive women you have taken…

    Did Mohammad say those 2 things?

  71. I WISE SUGGESTIN WOULD BE TO SEND ISLAM BACK TO THE ARABIAN PENINSULA WHERE IT BELONGS, then build a great big wall around it, so all the muslims can do to eachother as they please, my guess is that in ten years nobody will be left alive inside that wall

  72. Anon
    In the bible it says another prophet will appear before the Messiah. Many christians of muhammads time took a look at him and knew he was spoken to by God.

    The booty, yes, actually the money and objects divided after a war, but remember muhammad actually rejected war and only fought when extremely necessary. Female warriors, like Nusayba, would get some as well.
    Yes the azl thing i heard of it but im no sheikh but you could definitley ask a sheikh. Im not completely 100 percent sure if or why he said that. I mean im only 17 so…

  73. Jon
    Youre named after Zakariah’s son, John, i guess. You know Muslims believe in him too, but we call him Yehya meaning one who was living, because his really cool story…

    Jon, look around you. You see muslims with each other dealing as they please right? Are we all dead? No. Are you all dead? No. And the Arabian peninsula..

    The first jews were from Canaan, which was where? Moses was born in Egypt, which is where? Abraham is from where? Jesus was born in Jerusalem. All three Abrahamic religions were born in the Arabian Peninsula. Just because Moses spoke Hebrew and Jesus spoke Aramaic doesnt mean they didnt stem from that area.

    And to group all muslims as Arabs is a little sad. Only 18% of muslims are arab. Most are from indonesia which is in Southeast Asia. They arent Arab…Theyre country isnt muslim either.

  74. Btw i was born here. This is my country too. I like it. So chill.

  75. Danios,

    All we free people need to know about you is that you think ‘slave’ is a good word.

    The US constitution is about freedom, so our values are antithetical.

    You are the ‘loon’ if you think Americans will endorse your ‘slavery’ also known as Islam.

  76. Elle,

    We will not ‘chill’ as long as you want to take away our freedom of speech.

  77. Mohammed was an advocate for booty and handed it out to his jihadists arbitrarily. Whenever you make unsubstantiated claims about Mohammed, people look up the original texts and contrast it with your ideological distortion. A highwayman, genocide, ethnic cleanser and pedophile do not equal a religious leader in anyone’s books. The first decades of Islam and the five hundred years were a continuous inter-Islamic combat shedding rivers of blood. Mohammed, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali were all murdered by their close followers. Islam is based on this pattern which has continued to today in Libya, Yemen, Egypt and Syria. Assassination is the only way to remove a Muslim leader from power.

  78. Augastina

    We want to take away your rights? What? You really dont kno much about Islam do you?

    Muhammad died of disease/older age at 63 lol. Omar and Abu bakr did too. Im not sure where you got your sources….fox?

    Now is that so? The only battles muhammad lived through were those against the Quraysh. He invited Byzantium, Persia and greece to Islam. Byzantium was like we love you but no thanks. So was Greece. Persia declined rudely.

    By the way, forced conversion is forbidden in my religion. Slave in the Quran usually means servant of God, which we are technically. We are here to please him, right? Spread by the sword…ha that stuff is bs. Read up on real islamic history maam. Before you make assumptions. And i suggest getting a book wrotten by muslims. Its all there in black and white. Do not get a book by RS cuz he obviosly ^^^^ cant be neither honest nor accurate.

    Now to be with a servant girl physically you have to marry her. Sex before marriage is wrong in my religion.

    The perversion thing huh. The “9” yr old girl he married was really 18, how else was she older than his youngest kid who was more than 11 at the time? Plus in Islam you cant have sex with someone before they hit puberty.

    How about you read the whole Quran and come back. Learn a few basic arabic words.

    I know your type. You go around studying only half of the facts because you saw it on the news or a friend told you, you
    get it from a huge islamophobic xenophobic racist guy who puts on his scholar face for you delusionals. Then you think
    you know everything and you scream bloody murder when a brown guy on Tv starts talking.

    Please maam, tell me all about Ramlah bint Abi Sufyan, the Battle of Uhud, the Treaty of Hudaiybiyah, the Pact of Medina, Jaafar ibn Abi Talib, abdullah ibn Abd almuttalib, explain to me who Bahira or Waraka ibn Nofal was, or Khalid Ibn AlWaleed, or Sumayya bint Khabat, tell me what was the birth of Muhammad like? Tell me why did muhammad name one particular year the year of Sorrow. Tell me what happened when it came that alcohol was forbidden in islam? Tell me the reason for hijab or who Fatima was. Why would we hate the US and not anyother country (we dont but hey your the master scholar right ;)) Explain almight augustina, you talk a lot about Islam it seems. Teach me.

  79. Egypts leader resigned. Syrias hasnt left. Yemens resigned. Only Libyas was killed but he was just… I dont even want to say it. All these countries are secular btw:) not muslim states. Just cause theyre Arab dont make them Muslim. Bet you didnt know there was a difference :D

  80. * written

    Damn ipod

  81. You mean to say, Elle, that muslim hordes did not invade Spain or destroy the Persian civilization? They didn’t attack Europe repeatedly? Yes muslims have been destructive and oppressive, what do you think all this fuss is about?

    Maimonides gave the advice to assent with the muslims, repeat the formula to save your life, keeping your faith in your heart. He said the worst thing about the muslims was their constant lying.

    I thought Mohammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman whose relatives he had killed. Didn’t he say i never felt well after i ate that lamb?

    Muslims have elevated Mohammad to the perfect man and whatever evidence to the contrary they will ignore or distort.

    It is futile to argue the points of a religion because believers in whatever it is have a construct that satisfies them, no matter how bizarre it looks to everybody else.

    Behavior in the present day can however be altered.

  82. Anon

    Did they not leave them to follow their own religions? Forced conversion and murder are prohibited in my religion. Do some research. Do i have to talk about Andalus and Cordoba and Turkey and Medina again? Now who did kill people for not being of their faith. The Spanish Inquisition meant the death of Muslims and Jews in Grenada. Then there was the Crusades. Then the Kosovo massacre. Then the holocaust in Rwanda and Europe, muslims there died too. Israelis massacring gentiles in Israel because theyre trying to make “peace”

    Oh God, lmfao i thought my friend’s delusional mother was the only one. Its a conspiracy theory lol. He was sick for over a year. Poison isnt that slow. He died in Aishas arms at 63. Plus he predicted he would die soon during his illness. He was too sick to even pray upright how can he go over for dinner?

    No one is perfect. Perfection means godliness, which none of us have. The Quran states that muhammad is but a humble messenger and not to be worshipped. Only Allah is worthy of Ibadah, worship. Plus his only sin was outlined in the Quran. He had great character Mashallah but he isnt God. After his death some people left Islam amd there was chaos. Abu bakr said to them :”for those of you who worshipped Muhammad, know he is dead. For those who worship God, know he is everlasting”. The people who left islam were those who worshipped muhammad and were disgusted with the fact that he died on them.

    Ok i agree, theres no point to argue about the religion itself, the people are where the debate lies but some dodo brains here think all muslims believe in is rape, lying and cults. And takiyyah kal. I asked my religion teacher about it, shes like “it means righteous” and i say but theres something about lying and shiites involved. Shes like, “….oh! You mean Tukia? A sect of shiites practiced this in the face of sunnis when abu bakr was brought up vecause they had a hugeeee problem with a non relative of the Prophet being a Caliph. Of course, aristocracies are forbidden in Islam, idk why theyd ignore the fact. Plus they tried to “elect” Ali as Caliph, but Ali didnt want trouble and declined but those shiiites kept going. The continued with tukia and here we are.” of course she said it with a Sudani accent with Arabic mixed in but i understood. Shes also my arabic teacher.good lady.

    Lmfao ITS TAKIYYAH. Learn some Arabic and Islamic history. Sometimes i wonder where they get their info from.

  83. ^^ they yell like roosters.

    Any way, i agree. But to stop the crazy muslims means stopping a whole sect of shiites. Some shiites beat themselves up. Intended selfinfliction is forbidden. Some believe Ali was second in command and worthy of worship, but only God is.

    Idk. They confuse me. I have great Shiite friends but its the nutty ones im creeped out by the most. Sunni nuts are pretty bad too.

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