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This is Why Radical Christians are One of the Greatest Threats to the US Constitution

29 February 2012 Loonwatch.com 59 Comments Email This Post Email This Post

This is Why Radical Christians are One of the Greatest Threats to the US Constitution

For the past several years Loonwatch writers have repeatedly made the very significant (and obvious) point that radical Christian Islamophobes seek to undermine the constitution of the USA by entangling church and state; i.e. undermining the separation of Church and State.

We have also pointed out that the fervent fear-mongering about “Islamization,” a fairytale concept, is nothing more than projection on the part of these radicals. (Propaganda about the “Islamization” of the USA is even more ridiculous when one considers history; the fact that America was forcibly “Christianized” by colonial settlers and their offspring.)

Many Radical Christians today believe America has changed too much and that the superior place of Christianity needs to be reasserted, i.e. re-Christianization. This thought doesn’t only permeate the GOP, in fact it has captured the GOP. This much is clear from the ongoing reality TV circus known as the Republican primary debates.

Take Rick Santorum, it was recently revealed that he “felt like throwing up” when he first read JFK’s famous speech on the separation of church and state. He was questioned about this by George Stephanopoulos, Santorum replied that he felt like vomiting after reading the first substantive line of the speech in which JFK said, “Apparently it is important for me to state again, not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me, but what kind of America I believe in. I believe in an America in which the separation between church and state is absolute. Santorum went on to say,

I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.

This is a leading Republican candidate for the presidency saying this, it’s not something that should be simply ignored. Can one imagine if Rep.Keith Ellison, a Muslim Congressman had said the above? For a surety the Islamophobesphere would be flailing wildly about “Islamization” and the impending Sharia take over in Ellison’s home state of Minnesota.

One must also ask where is the condemnation from loons such as Robert Spencer, a fellow Catholic? We can answer our own question, Spencer is not interested in condemning this threat because he likely agrees with Santorum. Spencer in the past has spoken in forums where he has agreed with other speakers attacking the Enlightenment. His attacks weren’t of the philosophical post-modernist variety either but couched in defense of the faith rhetoric. As I wrote at the time,

Spencer agrees with Professor Kreeft regarding the Enlightenment being a threat to Catholicism though he didn’t explicitly say that Islam was less of a threat. I can see how Ultra-Conservative Catholics may rail against the Enlightenment, it was the era which saw a secularist revolt in the name of reason against the Catholic Church and which led to formulas for the Separation of Church and State, it also witnessed the decline of the power of the Catholic Church in the temporal realm.

Coming back to the main topic, I don’t believe Santorum misspoke. I don’t believe Santorum misunderstood what JFK meant or the impetus behind why he gave that famous 1960 speech. I don’t believe Santorum was making a point about how voices of faith need to be heard in the public square, etc.

Santorum believes America is a Christian country, he believes the “founding fathers” meant for it to stay that way and in fact supported such a notion. I am not sure whether Santorum follows theDominionist ideology, (an ideology that seems to plague Protestants mostly), but he clearly believes the Church has a part to play in the operation of government.

This incident reveals the deep hypocrisy and faux loyalty to the Constitution amongst many of the Islamophobes and the populist politicians who are riding the Islam/Muslim-bashing wave. Islam and Muslims are being used as a distraction that serves to 1.) make us lose sight of the real issues, and 2.) covers a darker intent of reconquista, rechristianization by any means necessary.

Lastly, I want to clarify that this post is obviously not an attack on Christianity and should not be understood that way. The great majority of Christians are as repulsed as any other citizen when they hear such inanities spewing forth from the mouths of politicians speaking in the name of their faith. They are also on the front lines actively fighting this scourge.

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A very good video from the Young Turks on Rick Santorum’s attack on the Separation of Church and State:

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59 Comments »

  1. wow

  2. So its okay to be anti-christian but not anti-islam?

  3. Well he makes feel like throwing up so the feeling is mutual.

  4. Santorum is a sick reincarnation of Benito Mussolini. How could any remotely rational adult believe his crap?

  5. It’s okay to be anti-radical.

  6. it’s not ok to be anti-christian or anti-muslim. but it is ok to be anti-extremism, and that goes for all religions.

  7. regan confirmed the seperation of church and state as well. santorum must have been absent a lot during high school.

  8. It’s also not ok to be anti-Constitution.

  9. Just like the Taliban

  10. I feel like throwing up every time Santorum opens his mouth.

  11. God help us all (no pun intended) if this guy gets real political power.

  12. There is nothing “anti-christian” about seperating church and state. Its called a good idea.

  13. @Captaiin: JFK was not anti-Christian. He just believed that your religion should have no bearing on your political clout. JFK was a devout catholic, which at the time was controversial.

  14. I didn’t see it in the article, so I’ll post it here. This is from the speech Santorum is referencing:

    “Because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected president, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again — not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me — but what kind of America I believe in.

    “I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute —where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote — where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference — and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

    “I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish—where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source — where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials — and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.”

  15. Santorum is a freak whose utterings mirror an a:lmost fascist domionist tong. Clearly a dangerous little man.

  16. *didn’t see ALL of it

  17. Vote for Obama.

  18. Radical Christians, AKA Christo-Fascists, are among the greatest threats on the planet and always have been.

  19. that’s the difference between good catholics and bad ones. JFK was an adulterer and a drunk. Santorum keeps his vows to his wife and God.

  20. The Radical Christian Right…Fascism with a Cross!

  21. radicals are from both political sides. its a mery go around they play for us Voters and American Citizens .

  22. Imagine if Keith Ellison had said those words. Fox News would be foaming at the mouth about Sharia and demanding more exploratory committees on the radicalization of American Muslims be formed.

  23. Santorum and his ilk hate us for our freedom, literally!

  24. @John Hamm: First off, let me say that I’m a big fan. I love Mad Men.

    Second, I think you missed the point. What you’re essentially saying is, good Catholics think that politics and religion should be intermixed? I suppose I’m not willing to admit that’s a universal truth.

  25. And while we’re at it, Rick, let’s get rid of the constitution all together…

  26. They aren’t just threats to the US Constitution. They are threats to world peace. To human decency. They are crazy scary, and Rick is their present king.

  27. The fact that he can read is shocking too me and the rest of the globe I am sure. America exporting hate and fear for over 200+yrs.

  28. The radical whatever’ists’ are a danger to us all. It boggles me that the people most afraid of Sharia law somehow taking hold in the States, would be delighted if their particular take on Christianity was allowed to override the Constitution instead.

  29. Well, I’m a radical Christian, but not Santorum’s type – rather, I’m radically loving, radically welcoming, radically accepting of all people, radically oriented toward service, as Jesus was during his time on earth. So probably a better term is radically right-wing Christians are those who constitute a threat to many.

  30. Sarah Q. Malone, you seem to be the kind of “radical” we all can live with:) peace and have a blessed day!

  31. There are those who believe that the organized church and the Kiingdom of God announced by Jesus are one and the same. Trace history back and you will see that they are and have been at war with democracy. Calling for a theocracy is undermining the constitution. It is calling for a total shift in governmental philosopy. The last time we had a theocracy was during the Salem Witch Trials.

  32. Maybe he was pregnant.

  33. State

    Church
    How it should be. Seperate.

  34. If I ever got that close to this guy, I’d upchuck on his shoes.

  35. Hearing anything from Rick Santorum makes me feel like throwing up.

  36. If followers of Islam would start to call out their own radicals I might listen… but since that will never happen… JUST SHUT UP!!!

  37. They are nothing less than traitors, and should be dealt with as such.

  38. Nope sorry Richard Gregg, you have no idea how vigorously Muslims have been condemning radical violence so YOU shut up.

  39. And Rick Santorum IS a Dominionist. Maybe not a card-carrying one, but that’s his ‘philosophy’.

  40. Twist his words to fit your agenda, as any cheap website would do. Bottom line Rick Santorum is a GOOD PERSON. I only know him listening to him on radio and watching him on TV, but he’s 100% American and FOR AMERICA’s good. Maybe you don’t agree with his political beliefs, or religious ones, but at least he isn’t an EXTREMIST, as so many Islams are. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of an Extremist Christian even. Many of them may be bible thumpbers and preach loud, even push their beliefs on others a little strong, but NO CHRISTIAN Groups take up Arms in the name of their God and beliefs. No good ones at least. Crazies do, like in Waco TX and groups like that, but they are Sickos. I’d MUCH rather stand behind Santorum, though I’m not nearly as religious as he is, than near ANY whining Islam. You like your religion, go live in one of the other MANY Countries that care about it. We’ve enough issues here, we don’t need any more.

  41. sheesh

  42. Santorum should not be allowed to mention JFK’s name. On John Kennedy’s worst day he was 1,000 miles a better man than S. could ever dream of being.

  43. The purpose of the separation of church and state is to protect church from state at least as much as vice versa. I am amazed at the weird thinking of anyone who views the separation of church and state as anti-Christian. Strange logic, or lack of it.

  44. You mean you don’t want to live under God’s Law? You think it might be implemented by self righteous theocrats?

    Another example of a mirror image that makes muslims choke.

  45. anon:

    Which set of God’s Laws would YOU suggest (i.e. which religion’s laws)? I’m sure that the adherents of other faiths would have a bone to pick with your suggestion…… As the author suggests, overzealous so-called Christians do believe that the U.S. is a Christian (ONLY) country. Funny….I never read one document that stated that a person must convert to Christianity upon becoming a citizen of the USA or upon reaching adulthood.

    As it is now, we live under secular law, here in the U.S. A vast majority (99.9999999999999%) of us are satisfied with that, so long as it is applied equally & fairly. Who wants to institute their religion’s laws over their co-adherents and non-adherents to their faith? Count the Muslims out of that number.

  46. Now, Justin, you know there are some Sharia MB dreamers here, carried away by the idea of the Perfect Islamic State.

    Sharia dreamers are like college communists – they admire the theory from afar, but hesitate to live anywhere where it is actually practiced…

  47. Christianity has been the predominant religion in the United States for a very long time. If Christians wanted a Christian Theocracy then we would have had it long ago. I really do not think people lay awake at night wondering if the Christians are going to take over the government this year or if Christian terrorists and going to blow up subways in New York. Muslims do, however, show a propensity to support religious theocracy and in various parts of the world do not show strong support for basic human rights.

  48. As a matter of History, what did JFK really accomplish? Just asking.

  49. Roger, how come I never see these condemnations? Name ONE muslim leader who speaks out on these issues on the national stage? JUST ONE!

  50. Ohhh my load! “Sharia dreamers are like college communists …” bet you could not define these things…LOL!
    As a social constructionist – I find you use of labels to be rather silly!

    I’d like to hear about “Islamic theocracy” someplace in the world. Countries like Morocco (a long time friend and ally to the US) has about as much “theocracy” as the US does with “one nation under God” and so-called “God given liberties.”

    Countries like Morocco and Turkey cannot be expected to be anymore “American” and to “our liking” than France or Mexico!

  51. Ok Eslaporte, Morocco just expelled 20 Christians for the crime of proselytism because it is ok to convert people to Islam but a Crime to convert them to Christianity. Do we even get a whiff of a Theocracy here? Let me see about Morocco oh yes 7000 Muslim Clerics who lead services for peace loving Muslims who place tolerance on the top of their godly agenda called for the expulsion of all Christians from within the country of Morocco. They placed this in writing denouncing all Christian Activities. Morocco may be a U.S. Ally but my question is does it represent Islam. If it does then many people who write how bad Islam is are correct. Of course if this is just another Islamic country ruled by “United States Puppets” then of course we can forgive Islam and simply blame it on the Great Satan itself.

    Eslaporte you have to go a long way to state that Islamic Theocracies do not exist in this world. Sometimes I believe that groups of people think if you say the same thing over and over again people will begin to accept it as true. So lets repeat “there are no Islamic theocracies-there are no Islamic theocracies-there are no Islamic theocracies:.

  52. Because your eyes are glued to Fox

  53. Eslaporte, read up and quit using so many quotation marks.

    A social constructionist? Whazzat? Means you make up a worldview that pleases you instead of finding out what is actually going on in these places? Means you take the Dems or the PC brigade as the voice of truth?

    In order to be a true mirror image, Santorum should quit shaving, wear a little hat and scream Death to Whomever while popping his eyes.

  54. Anon said, when referring to Eslaporte, “Means you make up a worldview that pleases you instead of finding out what is actually going on in these places…” Man, that sounds a lot like Anon was describing himself.

  55. Many people will take their own personal experiences as the general. eg: I don’t know anyone doing crime, therefore there is no crime.

    Some believe what their political party tells them.

  56. Funny Umar, but you have made my point! You can’t name ONE!!!!!!!

  57. @richard, here is a short list if u want more i can post.

    Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Rashid Ghannoushi, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians….

  58. Richard G
    Saudi Arabia imprisons and condemns extremists, so does Syria.

  59. If the political left and Muslims do not leave us Christians alone radical Christians is what you’ll have around the world including in the USA. Watch what you wish for because you will not like what you get

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