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So what is the explanation for the persecution of non muslims in say, Egypt? Why do Turks and Iraqis kill Kurds? Hazara?

This episode may be revenge – they are now saying the soldier’s was too – but there is a whole lot of violence going on which is not based on invasion, occupation, etc.

//anon
21 March 2012 at 10:16 am

the lawyers for loonwatch and this site might want to tell their contributors to throw the word alledged in a few times.

as for innate morals, i’ve never heard of any proof of such a thing. all morals are learned. that’s why so much of the “path to water” is so troubling.

Book 019, Number 4346:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you.

religion of peace. seems more a conquering horde.

//mike malzahn
21 March 2012 at 10:24 am

Persecution persists in any country, regardless of religion, usually due to poverty and lack of education. one can see violent persecution decrease drastically in Europe and America as standard of living and access to schooling increase. Even in the US itself, where do racial tensions and xenophobic persecution run highest? Poor sections of cities and the south. where is poverty the highest and standards of education the lowest? Poor sections of cities, and the south. Corrupt leadership, and in many (but not all) cases, western interference in addition to a lack of natural resources (oil brings in a lot of money, but only for oil executives and the government, and little of that profit is seen by the common people)have perpetuated these conditions. Look as sub-saharan Africa or Latin America or Southeast Asia. Not many Muslims there. And yet they still face rampant violence due to poverty and repression. And that is still in areas with more abundant natural resources (which people can actually access, such as agriculture, vast forests with many foods and plant products, etc). That is why some Egyptians kill Copts and some Syrians kill Kurds. It is pent up frustration at a very difficult lifestyle, lack of education about other cultures and human diversity, and manipulative, corrupt, and repressive regimes that either use such hatred to their advantage, or feed it by increasing the frustration, poverty, and ignorance of the population with their policies.

//Siyajkak
21 March 2012 at 11:48 am

This has nothing to do with ISlam. In Islam we are not allowed to kill innocent, even when we are fighting Jihad. We are not even allowed to destry trees. He should be senteced harshly to death by islamic shariah. Just like Norway killer, this has nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. These people are insane. This can happen to anyone. A person who is fed up with debt kills bankers in America, a person who listens to death metal kills his student etc. Doesnt mean we need to get rid of music or banks or blame it on them.

This person is Insane, there is no place for child murderers in Islam

//zamanbn
21 March 2012 at 9:35 pm

/zamanbn

You are right – this has nothing to do with the French Muslim community or Islam. If this is labeled “terrorism” by the French State it will add to the mounting evidence of how biased and discriminatory counter-terrorism practice is in Western governments. There have been shootings and attacks by non-Muslims that are never labeled “terrorism.” The difference here is the religious background of the killer.

These murders were committed by a single person for his own personal reasons. But – we can bet that this will, like the Theo van Gogh murder, be blown out of proportion by being labeled a “act of terrorism,” which it is only terrorism on the part of a single individual.

In the Netherlands, the murder or Theo van Gogh has now been used to justify the stigmatization of the entire Moroccan community, the criminalization of religious faith and political views, including political activity that all Dutch citizens have the right to engage in. The Dutch State alone claims that that the Theo van Gogh murder “was terrorism” and other claims by “counter-terrorism experts” are just an echo chamber of Dutch State claims.

Beware of statements that come out of governments, especially claims by the French State and “terrorism experts” that this is “terrorism.” Orthodox terrorism studies field cannot arrive on a definition or “terrorism” in the first place, so any attempt be France or “counter-terrorism experts” should be met with skepticism.

So – we see “terrorism” operationalized as “something only Muslims do.” This is why the worst terrorist-type attack in the Netherlands, the 2009 Queen’s Day attack in Apeldoorn against the royal family (8 dead, 10 injured) nor the Alphen aan den Rijn shopping mall attack last year by Alphen aan den Rijn (7 dead 16 injured). Since neither the attackers were Muslims – these are not terrorist attacks – and this gives us a good idea of how “terrorism” is operationalized in the Netherlands.

Now – what about Florence street vendors shot dead by lone radical right gunman in December. Is this not terrorism?!

To now label these horrible murders “terrorism” will build mounting evidence that “terrorism” is something that “only Muslims do.” This means that Western governments (France, the Netherlands, the UK, the USA) use the label “terrorism” when a single person kills for his own personal reasons is a Muslim. This means that Western governments engage in discriminatory practices in counter-terrorism practice – and this violates various international and European human rights treaties and conventions.

The next time somebody goes on a shooting rampage – and they are not Muslim – see if it will be labeled “jihad terrorism.”

//eslaporte
22 March 2012 at 10:31 am

eslaporte,

how’s loonwatch. seems you are still crazy as a loon. one sentence it’s not terrorism the next it’s personal terrorism. if the western governments only label terrorism when done by muslims, then how is it loonwatch and this site can claim that interpol and the fbi only label like 2% of terrorism as islamic? well if they’re not muslim it definately won’t be labeled “jihad” terrorism. but non-muslim shooters are labeled as terrorist all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2011

Valliere, France

Two ETA members opened fire on a gendarme at a police checkpoint in the town of Valliere after they refused to stop. A gun battle broke out with the gunmen. They were arrested by police the following day. No one was killed or injured in the incident.[94]

//mike malzahn
22 March 2012 at 1:52 pm

well when you “pin” a letter to someone’s chest that starts out

“Open letter to Hirshi Ali

In the name of Allah – the BeNeficent – the Merciful

Peace and Blessings from the head of the Holy Warriors – the laughing killer Mohammed Rasoeloe Allah -(Sala Allaho alahie wa Sallam) his family and his companions who will steadfastly accompany him till on the Day of Judgement.”

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/312

//mike malzahn
22 March 2012 at 2:09 pm

zamanbn,

you sure about the tree? they won’t let me link the website. but this is from faith in allah (all one word) .org. sunnah tab sahih muslim

Chapter 10: JUSTIFICATION FOR CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND BURNING THEM

________________________________________

Book 019, Number 4324:

It is narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered the date-palms of Banu Nadir to be burnt and cut. These palms were at Buwaira. Qutaibah and Ibn Rumh in their versions of the tradition have added: So Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed the verse:” Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks, it was with the permission of Allah so that He may disgrace the evil-doers” (lix. 5).

________________________________________

Book 019, Number 4325:

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) caused the date-palms of Banu Nadir to be cut down and burnt. It is in this connection that Hassan (the poet) said:

It was easy for the nobles of Quraish to barn Buwaira whose sparks were flying in all directions.

in the same connection was revealed the Qur’anic verse:” Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks.”

________________________________________

Book 019, Number 4326:

‘Abdullah b. Umar reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) burnt the date-palms of Banu Nadir.

//mike malzahn
22 March 2012 at 2:25 pm

Why wouldn’t these seven killings be labeled “terrorism”? The killer claimed to have been trained by the terrorist group Al Qaeda. The killer said he killed the soldier because France had troops in Afghanistan and the Jewish children to avenge Palestinian children.The killer also said he wanted to bring France to it knees. Mohammed Merah looks like a terrorist to me.

//Hera
23 March 2012 at 1:19 am

the western media (islamophobes, no doubt)say “Mohammed Merah: Al-Qaeda Linked Terrorist is Chief Suspect Behind French Murders” oh wait that’s from this site.

Siyajkak,

you’re right. the more you have in life the less likely you are to risk it and the less you fear competition from foreigners or “different” people. the less you need to identify with your tribe. that’s what makes al-qaeda so perplexing. bin laden is educated and from one of the wealthest families in the middle east. yet he chose jihad. speaking of egyptians, al-zawahiri is a doctor.

btw indonesia is in southeast asia. most populated muslim country in the world. but yeah sub-sahara africa is a basketcase. but you can’t say that, that’s racist. you’re not allowed to judge other cultures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCyK87hH9M

seems to be something in islam that justifies violence? maybe it’s some of the hadiths. what do you think of this one??????????

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

//mike malzahn
23 March 2012 at 9:08 am

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