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Temple University, Philadelphia: protestors condemn Geller and Spencer’s ‘irrational hatred’

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BY HALEY KMETZ, Daily News Staff Writer

PROTESTERS who had filled the auditorium seats at an anti-Muslim event on Temple University’s campus Monday night left the room quite empty when they marched out in opposition after the discussion began.

The organization hosting the “Islamic Apartheid Conference,” Temple University Students for Intellectual Freedom, says its mission is to introduce controversial issues often left out of mainstream debates and defends its right to political incorrectness. Panelists at the conference included Robert Spencer, contributor to the blog Jihad Watch, and Pamela Geller, famous for her hostility to the proposed construction of an Islamic community center near the site of the World Trade Center.

After walking out, more than 50 demonstrators, consisting of North Philadelphia residents, campus groups and Occupy Philly protesters, remained outside in the rain, holding signs and confronting attendees as they left the event in Ritter Hall, on Cecil B. Moore Avenue near 13th Street.

Walter Smolarek, a freshman education major at Temple University, said that the content of the conference is “based solely on irrational hatred toward people, in this case, because of their religious faith, and we don’t feel like it falls under the umbrella of free speech, or should be part of political debate.

“An attack against Muslim communities is an attack against all working people,” said Smolarek.

Though Temple University approved the conference for its calendar, it did not promote the event in the daily campus-events email distributed to the student body.

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  1. […] Temple University, Philadelphia: protestors condemn Geller and Spencer’s ‘irrational hatred’ […]

  2. Liberals and Muslims hate any pro-America speech. Yet they never protest when a school hosts some radical cleric advocating the murder of Jews.

  3. those are some mighty untenable absolutes you got there…

  4. Siyajkak,

    how’s this for a tenable absolute? thou shall not torture people??????????

    did u seriously say the plato having relationships with young boys and muhammad taking a 9 year old wife wasn’t “wrong”?????????

  5. that

  6. Mike, how is that relevant to any discussion whatsoever? Muhammad was not the only one who had a 9 year old wife back then. It’s how things were done, and if you had lived in his time, you probably would’ve married one as well. Don’t bring anything irrelevant to the comments, especially something so obviously illogical and not even pertaining to the discussion please.

  7. Gosh I love Philly, they’re a whole new breed there in a good way.

  8. bravo!

  9. Many Muslims are proud Americans. Just tired of ignorant biased people. I am a 10th generation American as well as a Muslim

  10. Mike,

    Americans were married to teenagers as young as 12-15 in the 18th-19th century. Also, Thomas Jefferson was notorious for bedding a 14 year old slave, who carried his children. Let’s not forget about the incest relationships in the Bible.

  11. Conservatives and evangelicals hate any “anti-America” speech. Yet they never protest when their politicians and talking heads advocate for cryptofascism or outright fascism.

    Unfortunately that generalization is more accurate.

  12. Rocky lore is douchebag and troll at the same time. Saying that only liberals hate retards. Humanity hates trolls and douchebags. How they try to make sense of shit that makes no sense. That is there whole goal. This is why I support abortion, in hopes there wont be less Rocky Lore Douchebags in the future.

  13. kat,

    that is a continuation of a comment i made to sy on an earlier article. s/he said “Does that mean it’s right to force a child into a marriage with an old man? To me, no, but then that’s assuming that the child has a problem with the entire situation. In of itself, there is nothing inherently “wrong” about the act. It’s just alien to us in a modern world. So you can go ahead repeat your “The Prophet married a 9-year old” speil all you want. While you’re at it, go ahead and discredit Plato’s Republic because of his relations with young boys, and torch the Declaration of Indpendence because Thomas Jefferson slept with two of his slaves. I would argue that Jefferson’s antics were the only one of those actually morally wrong, but it seems by virtue of his whiteness and quasi-christianness, he is allowed to remain a respectable historical figure.”

    so you think it was alright for “god’s prphet” to set the example of marrying a 9 year old. actually he entered a marraige contract with her when she was 6. anyways, appearently sy sees no problem with marrying a child.

    here’s my response. please tell me what u think:

    “again, the forced and child marriages are more a cultural thing than religious” ok. so god sent gabe down to talk to muhammad for 23 years and never thought to tell him not to marry little girls?

    “Arranged marriage is not required in Islam” ok. so god in his divine wisdom never thought to say, don’t ask children to give their consent to marry. they probably don’t have the mental capacity to even understand what it is the are agreeing to. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124119468
    so when dad said to aisha, this is a good man he will take good care of you, you should marry him, but only if you want to. what do you think. she replied ok daddy. just a scenerio. lol

    “No one saw anything wrong with chiild marriages at the time” again allah couldn’t speak up? considering muhammad is allah’s last prophet, speak now or forever hold your peace. so doesn’t allah’s silence mean it found it perfectly fine? so it should still be fine, right. allah is the alpha land the omega.

    “Aisha’s youth was exaggerated in order to make certain to later generations that she was pure and chaste, and that her actual age was likely closer to 13 or 14 upon consumation” ok, so if they bleed they breed. how sophmoric of allah. so muhammad wasn’t a pedeophile, just a statuatory rapist. ok sounds like a great example for the ages.

    yes i remeber the gypsies in spain. don’t remember the girl being interviewed. but i do remember the grandmother telling reporters, something to the affect of. what’s the big deal, this is what we do, we have children young. i also remember the self proclaimed gypsy king marring off is 12 year old daughter. she ran out of the church in tears and was dragged back in to finish the ceremony. i think it held up romania’s acceptance into the EU.

    “assuming that the child has a problem with the entire situation. In of itself, there is nothing inherently “wrong” about the act.” are you crazy. so if a 65 year old man hooks up with a 15 year old girl and she has no problem with it, she loves him, it’s all good in your mind???????

    “While you’re at it, go ahead and discredit Plato’s Republic because of his relations with young boys,” haven’t read it. but i don’t remeber plato claiming any “divine revelation”. i’m a wise man for i know nothing. he didn’t claim to know “the truth” did he?

    “torch the Declaration of Indpendence because Thomas Jefferson slept with two of his slaves” again no claims of divinity. and we all know jerreson was a racist. he wrote a book on his racism.

    “I would argue that Jefferson’s antics were the only one of those actually morally wrong” WOW so you’re a fan of the catholic priests who had relationships with young boys as well as your support of child brides. well if they consent. it would be funny if there weren’t like a billion muslims who agree with you.

    “Just ignore all the consideration in the Koran for peaceful dealing with non-believers, the fact that you are obliged to honor agreements” no i understand there maybe several things that were very forward thinking for the 6th century. outlawing female infacide, giving women some inheritance. but it is NOT DIVINE WRIT.

    so comparing plato and jefferson to god’s prophet is apple and oranges.

    so god is ok with women inheriting half as much as men. men having four wives, but women can’t have multiple husbands, lashing people, men raping their wives, killing people for spreading mischief, with grown men marring girls.

    “So you can go ahead repeat your “The Prophet married a 9-year old” speil all you

    the quotes are what sy said. you can check it out on the fiengold article. please tell me were i’m wrong. is lnot morallity timeless????

  14. Bashie, you are the douchebag. How many of the same liberals attacking Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer ever protested against a radical Muslim cleric like Abdel Malik Ali or Siraj Wahhaj? Liberals are the retards who protest against the military, but not against apologists for suicide bombers or those who advocate the elimination of Jews. You are also a Nazi because you are anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, pro-Sharia, and pro-abortion. You’re the same fascist liberals who want to kill Danish cartoonists.

  15. kat,

    “Mike, how is that relevant to any discussion whatsoever? ” it’s revevant in that muslims, well 90% are sunni, as in they follow the sunnah, as in the actions of the “prophet”. therfore i think it was a bad example for muhammad to set. don’t you think?

    sy,

    here’s another crazy, or maybe he is right on, for ya.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-17/world/saudi.child.marriage_1_saudi-arabia-deeply-conservative-kingdom-top-saudi-cleric?_s=PM:WORLD

    kat what do you think of this guy’s opinion? how do you think he came up with the idea?

  16. sorry should have read crazy cleric

  17. mediaaltar

    “Mike,

    Americans were married to teenagers as young as 12-15 in the 18th-19th century. Also, Thomas Jefferson was notorious for bedding a 14 year old slave, who carried his children. Let’s not forget about the incest relationships in the Bible.”

    please see my response about divine revelant above. i would never say jefferson was a prophet.

    so why in 23 years on divine revelation did’t god tell……well u get my point. right? btw i think the bible is full of non-sense. read leviticus or numbers or deutaronomy, etc etc.

  18. nice maneuver mike. Taking my comment out of context so that you might accuse me of condoning pedophilia with none of my actual reasoning available. Sounds like how most Islamophobes operate.

    I said i find the concept distasteful, but i’m from a different culture. In the world of 7th century Arabia no one could see anything wrong with it, including Aisha, who was Muhammad’s most devoted and dedicated wife.

    Also, the age of Aisha was likely exaggerated anyway. Scholars wanted her to be as chaste and pure and possible, and who more so than a young girl? Modern scholars have begun estimating her age between 15 and 24 at the time of consummation.

    why yes, we should stop torture. why don’t we start with the US

  19. Dennis, you liberals are the fascists because you are anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, pro-abortion, pro-Sharia, and you hate our troops. You also support death fatwas against Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists.

  20. sy,

    here is your post:

    “again, the forced and child marriages are more a cultural thing than religious. In fact, Koranin law concerning women is actually extremely liberating considering what Arab custom was before, which treated women as chattel property of their families and expected them to die with their husbands similar to some Hindu traditions. Arranged marriage is not required in Islam, and certainly neither is child marriage. It is simply an unfortunate result of coming from a nation that is still fairly poor, uneducated, and backward in its traditions.

    So far as the child marriage, that is a case where cultural relativism actually holds up. No one saw anything wrong with chiild marriages at the time, likely not even Aisha, who was said to love Muhammad deeply and was one of his strongest adherents. In addition, there is some speculation that Aisha’s youth was exaggerated in order to make certain to later generations that she was pure and chaste, and that her actual age was likely closer to 13 or 14 upon consumation. Child marriages still occur today in Latin America and the Romani. In the latter case, a 10 year old girl in Spain gave birth, and all interviews with her reported that she was happy and proud of the fact. Expecting people in such cultures, even the so-called “victims” to understand why child marriage is bad is like expecting them to understand what’s so bad about Obamacare.

    Does that mean it’s right to force a child into a marriage with an old man? To me, no, but then that’s assuming that the child has a problem with the entire situation. In of itself, there is nothing inherently “wrong” about the act. It’s just alien to us in a modern world. So you can go ahead repeat your “The Prophet married a 9-year old” speil all you want. While you’re at it, go ahead and discredit Plato’s Republic because of his relations with young boys, and torch the Declaration of Indpendence because Thomas Jefferson slept with two of his slaves. I would argue that Jefferson’s antics were the only one of those actually morally wrong, but it seems by virtue of his whiteness and quasi-christianness, he is allowed to remain a respectable historical figure.”

    please go reread what u said. “I would argue that Jefferson’s antics were the only one of those actually morally wrong,”

    how is it out of context? that’s what u said?????

    “In the world of 7th century Arabia no one could see anything wrong with it, including Aisha, who was Muhammad’s most devoted and dedicated wife.” i don’t disagree. i just find it un divine. don’t you?

    “Modern scholars have begun estimating her age between 15 and 24 at the time of consummation.” looks like her age is moving up. that’s a good thing. you seem to keep missing my point that a child shouldn’t be allowed consent to marraige, regardless of when it will be consumated.

  21. sy,

    really. “nice maneuver mike. Taking my comment out of context so that you might accuse me of condoning pedophilia with none of my actual reasoning available. Sounds like how most Islamophobes operate.” i never said he was a pedophile, just a statatury rapist. you seem to miss ny point totally. if god was talking to muhammad don’t you think he would have told him not to marry a child?

    “why yes, we should stop torture. why don’t we start with the US”

    i would hope that if there is a god he would start with “his prophet” so you disagree with the 24th surah? the hadiths where muhammad stones people.

    again i claim no divinity to US foriegn policy.

  22. “In the world of 7th century Arabia no one could see anything wrong with it,” couldn’t allah see what’s wrong with it? maybe tell his messinger? you don’t seem to follow at all. i’m not holding muhammad to a higher standard then his contemporaries (or plato or jefferson), but i hold god to a higher standard.

  23. The useful idiots who protested this conference have no clue since they live in freedom and security in the West. I would love to see them transported to Iran, Gaza, Sudan, Somalia or Saudi Arabia to live under the Shariah as non-Muslims.

  24. mike,

    Allah sees everything. However, 7th century Arabia was way worse before Islam. When Islam came it liberated many people. Plus Allah gave us a mind. He gave it to us so we could use it to evaluate what should and should not be done. And as time passes, we are allowed to change our Islamic way of living in accordance to modern society. This IS allowed in Islam. As long as we do not deviate from the original core teachings, reform is allowed. And looking at the status of Muslims worldwide this Islamic reform, or what I like to call a “Muslim Renaissance”, is in dire need of implementation. This will take time though. And hopefully Muslims will realize this and come together in peaceful unity. Eventually the truth will succeed.

  25. Muhammad is not God. Several prophets were known to have strayed from God’s will. That’s because they are men, not God. Second, who are you to declare what is “divine” or not. My point was that there is nothing inherently wrong in a child marriage if both parties are consenting. The only reason you or i disapprove of it is because of the cultures we come from. Here, we set the acceptable age for sex and marriage with an adult at 18. In another country, it might be 17. In another 16. Centuries ago, it would have been 9 or 10, and that’s assuming that the scholars after Muhammad weren’t reducing Aisha’s age for the sake of making her look pure. If both parties are consenting, no harm is done to the child, and Aisha and Muhammad truly loved each other, I really don’t see anything really “wrong” with the marriage. A modern criticism essentially boils down to the argument “ewww…that’s weird”. I doubt God’s sense of morality is determined by what a modern American’s idea of weird is.

    Hera: The protesters likely know that those countries are awful due to the corruption and backwards interpretation of the leadership there. The protest is against the characterization of American Muslims as some sort of threat, that each one is trying to set up a new Iran in the U.S. The reality is that most Muslims immigrants came to America to ESCAPE the cruelty of their home countries and find a living. Your argument is tantamount to criticizing civil rights protesters, saying: “why should they defend black people? They defend black people here in the west where they have freedom and security. Send them to a country like Uganda or Rwanda or Angola, and see what they think of black people then.

    Their protest isn’t about vindicating terrorism. It’s about defending people who are labelled dangerous because OTHER people commit terrorism.

  26. The conference on Islamic Apartheid was in response to a conference on Israeli Apartheid.Do you also object to the conference on Israeli Apartheid? I watched youtube clips of some of the speakers.I wonder if the useful idiots who were protesting even listened to what the speakers had to say. One of the speakers was a black Christian who was enslaved under the Shariah. He spoke of his experience as a slave and how he was treated as less then human by his Muslim/Arab Masters. Another speaker was an ex-Muslim who faces a death sentence for leaving Islam.The useful idiots who were protesting this conference should be ashamed for not standing with the victims including modern day slaves who are victimized by a primitive “law code”.

  27. Siyajkak,

    seriously? you are a true abrahamic. self contradictions and all.

    “Muhammad is not God. Several prophets were known to have strayed from God’s will. That’s because they are men, not God.” obviously. so are you saying he strayed by marrying a 9 year old?

    “Second, who are you to declare what is “divine” or not.” i’ve never declared any thing divine? it’s muslim who claim to know divinity.

    “My point was that there is nothing inherently wrong in a child marriage if both parties are consenting.” WOW REALLY.

    “The only reason you or i disapprove of it is because of the cultures we come from.” where are you from? so are you now back to disapproving?
    “Here, we set the acceptable age for sex and marriage with an adult at 18. In another country, it might be 17. In another 16. Centuries ago, it would have been 9 or 10, and that’s assuming that the scholars after Muhammad weren’t reducing Aisha’s age for the sake of making her look pure.” who cares what they did in the past.
    “If both parties are consenting, no harm is done to the child, and Aisha and Muhammad truly loved each other, I really don’t see anything really “wrong” with the marriage.” now your back to approval? ok i’m starting to think you are a bit perverted.

    “A modern criticism essentially boils down to the argument “ewww…that’s weird”. no it boils down to a child not being both physically or mentally developed enough to enter into such a serious contract. you write as if you are somewhat intelligent. how is it you read so poorly. i never said eww or anything of the sort. you must be projecting what you think my reasoning is. did you not read the npr link about how a teenagers brain isn’t fully developed in the frontal lobe? guess you have never heard of obstetric fistula. now that gets an ewww. so again where are you from, that you find nothing inherently wrong with a 10 year old getting married? saudi arabia? the maldives? indonesia?

    “I doubt God’s sense of morality is determined by what a modern American’s idea of weird is.” it’s too bad his sense of morality doesn’t even rise to that of the un declaration on human rights.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstetric_fistula

    Primary risk factors are early or closely spaced pregnancies

  28. Hilmi,

    sorry i missed your comment.

    “Allah sees everything. However, 7th century Arabia was way worse before Islam. When Islam came it liberated many people.” i don’t doubt that. female infacide, no inheritance rights for women, etc etc. but why not make the “last message” complete? don’t you think “the prophet” marrying a 9 year old is a bad example? did allah not forsee the transatlantic slave or the arabian slave markets? liberated many people but enslaved others, right.

    “Plus Allah gave us a mind. He gave it to us so we could use it to evaluate what should and should not be done.” why not just tell you what should be done? in 23 years of sending gabriel allah never thought to say don’t marry children? don’t enslave people? dogs have minds too, rats even. i think all mammals have minds. haven’t seen any good law written by whales? save the whales.

    “And as time passes, we are allowed to change our Islamic way of living in accordance to modern society. This IS allowed in Islam. As long as we do not deviate from the original core teachings, reform is allowed.” ok but don’t you see things going the other way? salfist, whahabbists, the taliban. so much for that mind allah provided. so do you agree with the 24th surah? 100 lashes? what would you reform? no more killing apostates, blasphemers, adulterers? no more torture for drinking and fornicating? no more zakat? equal inheritance for people despite their gender?

    “And looking at the status of Muslims worldwide this Islamic reform, or what I like to call a “Muslim Renaissance”, is in dire need of implementation. This will take time though.” 1400 years and counting? come on.

    “And hopefully Muslims will realize this and come together in peaceful unity. Eventually the truth will succeed.” don’t hold your breath. why were muslims at war with each other from the very begining. aisha vs ali, etc. etc.

    so what is “the truth”?

    4:11

    يوصيكم الله في أولادكم للذكر مثل حظ الأنثيين فإن كن نساء فوق اثنتين فلهن ثلثا ما ترك وإن كانت واحدة فلها النصف ولأبويه لكل واحد منهما السدس مما ترك إن كان له ولد فإن لم يكن له ولد وورثه أبواه فلأمه الثلث فإن كان له إخوة فلأمه السدس من بعد وصية يوصي بها أو دين آباؤكم وأبناؤكم لا تدرون أيهم أقرب لكم نفعا فريضة من الله إن الله كان عليما حكيما

    Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one’s estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one’s parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children – you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

    is this the reform u speak of?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/bangladesh/8426149/Dozens-injured-as-Bangladeshi-Islamists-protest-womens-equality-laws.html

  29. “As long as we do not deviate from the original core teachings”

    thats what scary:

    2:223

    نساؤكم حرث لكم فأتوا حرثكم أنى شئتم وقدموا لأنفسكم واتقوا الله واعلموا أنكم ملاقوه وبشر المؤمنين

    Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.

    5:33

    إنما جزاء الذين يحاربون الله ورسوله ويسعون في الأرض فسادا أن يقتلوا أو يصلبوا أو تقطع أيديهم وأرجلهم من خلاف أو ينفوا من الأرض ذلك لهم خزي في الدنيا ولهم في الآخرة عذاب عظيم

    Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

    8:12

    إذ يوحي ربك إلى الملائكة أني معكم فثبتوا الذين آمنوا سألقي في قلوب الذين كفروا الرعب فاضربوا فوق الأعناق واضربوا منهم كل بنان

    [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

    24:2

    الزانية والزاني فاجلدوا كل واحد منهما مائة جلدة ولا تأخذكم بهما رأفة في دين الله إن كنتم تؤمنون بالله واليوم الآخر وليشهد عذابهما طائفة من المؤمنين

    The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

    PERFECTION!!!!! REALLY.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud

    “hudud usually refers to the class of punishments that are fixed for certain crimes that are considered to be “claims of God.””

  30. Hera, the lefties used to do the same thing to those who had escaped communism. Refugees would tell harrowing tales, but the lefties were so set on communism – some still are – it was like they had wooden ears.

    It’s just that one person’s personal experience, they would say. Solzhenitsyn himself got that treatment.

  31. Siy, most muslims are not terrorists and would never dirty their hands in such activities. They just entertain fantasies of the Perfect Islamic State, like Dalia Mogahed, and/or silently support the murder boys who are supposed to bring it about. Financially or morally cheer them on.

  32. […] Protestors Condemn Geller and Spencer’s Irrational Hatred – Islamophobia Today Filed Under: Buzz, Community, Editorial, Featured Tagged With: ACTS17, Islam, Nonie Darwish, Terry Jones […]

  33. Mike

    Marrying Aisha is not wrong. I already explained that to you. There is a difference molestation and marriage. Regarding Muhammad marrying Aisha is NOT for lust like MOST people do. NOW MY wording of most people is of course an exageration. You agree that marriage is companionship right? So there is nothing wrong with it. Too much TV and comic books are. Lol.

  34. Mike

    Punishing people who commit fornication are in the Holy Bible. In fact as simple as a womans hand maybe cutoff if she touched the private part of her husbands attacker. Look for it. Its in the old testament. The poor woman maybe was just trying to stop the attack.

    In the Christian country where I live, grew and raised, i witnessed a lot, almost everyday, abuses of men towards women and children that it became so common that one would think its just but normal. So many single mothers, children at orphanages, fetuses in bottles, molested children, girls (even as young as three months old) raped by lived in partners of their mothers, abandoned families either by the mother or father for their partners, biases against Muslims, so many Christian sects collecting monies, massacre of political opponents specially during elections, women forced to undress to make a living, descrimination against Muslims, these are just some of the beauties of a non-Muslim countries like mine.

  35. If anyone is interested we are making it available for more of you to attend the International Pork Chop Cook-Off to be held July 5th in Kabul, Afghanistan, at the Bomb-Turban Hotel. We need somebody to bring the smokey mesquite sauce and extra pork chop buns. Thank you.

  36. marcelo,

    “Marrying Aisha is not wrong. I already explained that to you.” you are going to have to do better then that to convince me that it is ok to marry a 9 year old. screw the sex part, i’ll say it AGAIN, A CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO AGREE TO SUCH A SERIOUS CONTRACT.
    “There is a difference molestation and marriage.” obviously. but that doesn’t mean you can use marriage to cover for molestation. you and siyjakak are really starting to concern me.

    “Punishing people who commit fornication are in the Holy Bible. In fact as simple as a womans hand maybe cutoff if she touched the private part of her husbands attacker. Look for it. Its in the old testament. The poor woman maybe was just trying to stop the attack.” deuteronomy 25:
    11 “If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts,
    12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”
    another great example as to why not be a christian. lol. don’t muslims hold the bible to be sacred. isn’t that where muhammad got the idea of stoning people.

    so what is this top secrect christian nation you live in. i’m in tampa bay, florida, usa.

    you’re right most people equate marraige with sex. sorry i retract my moronic statement. i was trying to relay to that i’ve heard the whole he didn’t have sex with her til she reached puberty excuse. it’s still a terrible example in my opinion. but i guess you’re alright with marrying children. again what country are you in?

    next time the wife says something about your time spent typing, tell her it is exercise for your fingers so you can give her better feet messages.

    “Too much TV and comic books are. Lol.” you sure u gota wife? how old r u?

  37. Marcelo, there is all that abuse going on in muslim countries as well, with extra twists like acid throwing, but the media there generally keeps no statistics and does not investigate those problems.

    People live in blissful self righteous ignorance until every once in a while something horrible comes to the surface.

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