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Anti-Islamism common amongst the over 60s

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Published on Tuesday, 24th April2012 at 22:45 under the news in brief category, by The Foreigner.

Men at home over 65, with little education and no children reportedly represent the average reader of anti-Islam websites.

Klassekampen writes it used Alexa to examine eight sites that allegedly inspired Anders Behring Breivik and his manifesto. It claims its investigations revealed readership groups to websites Gates of Vienna, Jihad Watch, The Brussels Journal, Islam Watch, Atlas Shrugged, Tundra Tabloid, Vladtepesblog and The Green Arrow showed a clear pattern.

When presented with the results, Andreas Malm, journalist and author of the book ‘The Hate against Muslims’, told the paper, “The typical profile of conspiracy theorists are elderly, lonely men, who become obsessed with a particular question, and who may be attracted to anti-Islamic conspiracy theories.”

“There is a preponderance of older men, often unemployed, who may feel ostracized from society, and seeking for an explanation and a scapegoat,” he declared.

Tor Bach, editor of the magazine ‘Vepsen’, is not surprised. He adds that the anti-Islam organizations’ groups of older members share a common “mistrust of society and the democratic system, sincerely believing someone wishes them harm.”

“These people [also] fully believe in the existence of a conspiracy, where the Arab world will take over the European one,” concluded Mr Bach.

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  1. ur full comment:

    again, the forced and child marriages are more a cultural thing than religious. In fact, Koranin law concerning women is actually extremely liberating considering what Arab custom was before, which treated women as chattel property of their families and expected them to die with their husbands similar to some Hindu traditions. Arranged marriage is not required in Islam, and certainly neither is child marriage. It is simply an unfortunate result of coming from a nation that is still fairly poor, uneducated, and backward in its traditions.

    So far as the child marriage, that is a case where cultural relativism actually holds up. No one saw anything wrong with chiild marriages at the time, likely not even Aisha, who was said to love Muhammad deeply and was one of his strongest adherents. In addition, there is some speculation that Aisha’s youth was exaggerated in order to make certain to later generations that she was pure and chaste, and that her actual age was likely closer to 13 or 14 upon consumation. Child marriages still occur today in Latin America and the Romani. In the latter case, a 10 year old girl in Spain gave birth, and all interviews with her reported that she was happy and proud of the fact. Expecting people in such cultures, even the so-called “victims” to understand why child marriage is bad is like expecting them to understand what’s so bad about Obamacare.

    Does that mean it’s right to force a child into a marriage with an old man? To me, no, but then that’s assuming that the child has a problem with the entire situation. In of itself, there is nothing inherently “wrong” about the act. It’s just alien to us in a modern world. So you can go ahead repeat your “The Prophet married a 9-year old” speil all you want. While you’re at it, go ahead and discredit Plato’s Republic because of his relations with young boys, and torch the Declaration of Indpendence because Thomas Jefferson slept with two of his slaves. I would argue that Jefferson’s antics were the only one of those actually morally wrong, but it seems by virtue of his whiteness and quasi-christianness, he is allowed to remain a respectable historical figure.

    //Siyajkak
    23 April 2012 at 3:41 pm

    my response:

    siyajkak,

    your awesome. i can’t stop laughing.

    “again, the forced and child marriages are more a cultural thing than religious” ok. so god sent gabe down to talk to muhammad for 23 years and never thought to tell him not to marry little girls?

    “Arranged marriage is not required in Islam” ok. so god in his divine wisdom never thought to say, don’t ask children to give their consent to marry. they probably don’t have the mental capacity to even understand what it is the are agreeing to. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124119468
    so when dad said to aisha, this is a good man he will take good care of you, you should marry him, but only if you want to. what do you think. she replied ok daddy. just a scenerio. lol

    “No one saw anything wrong with chiild marriages at the time” again allah couldn’t speak up? considering muhammad is allah’s last prophet, speak now or forever hold your peace. so doesn’t allah’s silence mean it found it perfectly fine? so it should still be fine, right. allah is the alpha land the omega.

    “Aisha’s youth was exaggerated in order to make certain to later generations that she was pure and chaste, and that her actual age was likely closer to 13 or 14 upon consumation” ok, so if they bleed they breed. how sophmoric of allah. so muhammad wasn’t a pedeophile, just a statuatory rapist. ok sounds like a great example for the ages.

    yes i remeber the gypsies in spain. don’t remember the girl being interviewed. but i do remember the grandmother telling reporters, something to the affect of. what’s the big deal, this is what we do, we have children young. i also remember the self proclaimed gypsy king marring off is 12 year old daughter. she ran out of the church in tears and was dragged back in to finish the ceremony. i think it held up romania’s acceptance into the EU.

    “assuming that the child has a problem with the entire situation. In of itself, there is nothing inherently “wrong” about the act.” are you crazy. so if a 65 year old man hooks up with a 15 year old girl and she has no problem with it, she loves him, it’s all good in your mind???????

    “While you’re at it, go ahead and discredit Plato’s Republic because of his relations with young boys,” haven’t read it. but i don’t remeber plato claiming any “divine revelation”. i’m a wise man for i know nothing. he didn’t claim to know “the truth” did he?

    “torch the Declaration of Indpendence because Thomas Jefferson slept with two of his slaves” again no claims of divinity. and we all know jerreson was a racist. he wrote a book on his racism.

    “I would argue that Jefferson’s antics were the only one of those actually morally wrong” WOW so you’re a fan of the catholic priests who had relationships with young boys as well as your support of child brides. well if they consent. it would be funny if there weren’t like a billion muslims who agree with you.

    “Just ignore all the consideration in the Koran for peaceful dealing with non-believers, the fact that you are obliged to honor agreements” no i understand there maybe several things that were very forward thinking for the 6th century. outlawing female infacide, giving women some inheritance. but it is NOT DIVINE WRIT.

    so comparing plato and jefferson to god’s prophet is apple and oranges.

    so god is ok with women inheriting half as much as men. men having four wives, but women can’t have multiple husbands, lashing people, men raping their wives, killing people for spreading mischief, with grown men marring girls.

    “So you can go ahead repeat your “The Prophet married a 9-year old” speil all you want.” so god’s last prophet married a 9 year old. what a great example to set for the ages……….

    //mike
    24 April 2012 at 9:48 pm

    how is that out of context???????????????

    you clearly say that of plato having relations with boys, muhammad marrying a 9 year old and jefferson having sex with sally hemmings and appearently another slave, the only one you find immoral is jefferson. i find them all morally aprehensible.

  2. The Arab or Islamic world keeps announcing that it will take over. These men with time on their hands are keeping track of the maneuvers and massacres emanating from the Islamic world and have decided that it is a danger.

    Its Friday, whose mosque will be blown up? What unbelievers will be attacked?

    The antipathy of non muslims really isn’t that hard to figure out.

  3. @mike

    Most marriages of Muhammad (sws) are to unite a tribe or streghten a frienship. Its not as generally understood by some moralist of today. Its not just about sex. The age of Aisha as described by some as six, seven or nine or thirteen or what theyve got is relevant only to portray that she was a virgin. However this does not mean that Muhammad had sex with he right after the wedding. People nowadays translate mariage with sex which I find to be incorrect.

  4. If Mohammad had been a true pedophile he would not have stopped with Aisha, he would have had a harem of little girls. Unfortunately her age is used in the present day to support underage marriage, too bad.

    I personally find the story of Zaynab more repulsive.

  5. […] Anti-Islamism common amongst the over 60s […]

  6. marcelo,

    “Most marriages of Muhammad (sws) are to unite a tribe or streghten a frienship.” ok, i’m familiar with the practice. at the start of ww1, wasn’t the queen of england a cousin to both bismark and nicholas the second. many of the european royal families where rife with hemophilia. so you support marrying off your daughter for political alliances?

    “Its not as generally understood by some moralist of today.” well thank you if you’re calling me a moralist, much better than the bigot i usaully get.

    “Its not just about sex. The age of Aisha as described by some as six, seven or nine or thirteen or what theyve got is relevant only to portray that she was a virgin. However this does not mean that Muhammad had sex with he right after the wedding. People nowadays translate mariage with sex which I find to be incorrect.” never said it was just about sex. nor do i think you are correct with saying most people equate marraige with sex. in fact most westerners have sex before marriage. i think it is those who don’t have sex until marriage who equate it with sex. marraige is mostly about getting along. yes i’ve heard the marraige contract was agreed to at age 6, executed at 9, consumated at 13 or 14. again the sex part isn’t that important, it’s the mental capacity of a child to enter into a contract. as for marriage equals sex. i don’t know who thinks that. i think the shakers got married? aren’t there sexless “witness marriages”?

  7. i don’t get this obsession with her being a virgin? is this why in muslim countries they bring out a white sheet after the wedding night and if the is no bleed there is hell to pay? speaking of marriage equated to sex.

  8. You don’t think that most people think marriage equates to sex? Arent there laws that nullifies marriage due to impotence? How about white wedding gowns for non-Muslims? Good thing you brought up the issue of sex before marriage and white sheet stuff. Have you heard of fornication versus virginity? How about a Muslim man marrying a divorced virgin woman? Most women that Muhammad married are divorced women. Muhammad never had obsession with young women. There was only one Aisha in his life.

    Are you saying that less than five out ten people believes in marriage with sex? Marriage is just about getting along? If westerners have sex before marriage how much more if they have settled down. I never thought that its now popular of married couples not having sex. Yes I am right when i said most people equate marriage with sex, i never said all. Yes I agree of marriage for companionship, like an 86 year old grandma who married her 92 year old friend.

    You asked me if i will have my daughters married off for political alliances. To be honest I dont know the answer. My daughters have their own lives to live, i am not sure what i will do if i am a very big man. I live in a Christian country and thats what i have been observing. Of the virgin stuff issue it is quite common here. Couples separate after a lavish wedding as the man found out that the woman had been sleeping with various men and pretended to be a first timer.

    Bye for now. I have to go back massaging my wife’s feet. She may get pissed with me punching the keys.

  9. The white wedding gown got started when women got married in their shift to symbolize that they had no debts to bring to the marriage.

    Some cultures are very hung up on virginity, others not. In UK couples used to be able to declare themselves married and it was so.

    Not getting pregnant before marriage used to be very important, esp. in US white culture. The Africans coming in did not have that, lots of scandinavians also casual about premarital sex.

    There are always plenty of men around to take advantage of unguarded women and girls.

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