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US Military course called for killing of Muslim civilians and destruction of Makkah and Madinah

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By Elham Asaad Buaras, The Muslim News

Civil rights and Muslim groups in the US are calling the firing of military leaders associated with provocative Islamophobic materials used in military training course.

First published by Wired.com on May 10, the Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism course used at the Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Virginia, endorsed “total war” against Muslims.

In an obvious disregard for international law the course also promotes “taking war to a civilian population,” and possibly destruction of Islam’s holiest sites.

Perspectives, which has been taught since 2004, was offered five times a year with around 20 students each time. Around 800 students took the course over the years.

Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) President, Mikey Weinstein, described the course as the “Abu Ghraib by power point and lectern…It’s even worse than Abu Ghraib. What they are talking about is essentially genocide of Muslims.”

The military announced a review of its training materials and cancelled the “Perspectives” course in late April.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair, Gen Martin Dempsey, has ordered an inquiry into how the course became part of the College’s curriculum.

“It was totally objectionable, against our values and it wasn’t academically sound,” Dempsey said. The General went on to say that the course ran counter to American “appreciation for religious freedom and cultural awareness.”

However, Army Lt Col Matthew Dooley, who taught the elective course, remains on staff at the College, which is a component of the National Defence University and teaches midlevel officers and Government civilians on subjects relating to the planning and execution of war.

Dooley, who served in Bosnia and Iraq and won a Bronze Star Medal, still works for the College but is no longer teaching.

In his presentation, he said: “They hate everything you stand for and will never coexist with you, unless you submit.”

He added that as America waged that war it would be free to ignore provisions of the Geneva Convention that sets the rules for armed conflict and which protect civilian populations, as “no longer relevant”.

“This would leave open the option once again of taking war to a civilian population wherever necessary (the historical precedents of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki being applicable…” to achieve “Mecca and Medina’s] destruction.”

Saying Islam has “already declared war on the US”, Dooley called the current American stance of seeking common ground with Islamic leaders around the world as “illogical” and the better option was “waging ‘near total war’”.

“We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam’,” Dooley said in the July presentation. “It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.”

Class materials also called Islam a “barbaric ideology” and presented outcomes such as “Saudi Arabia threatened with starvation…Islam reduced to cult status.”

MRFF, Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and have all called for the dismissal of Dooley and all personnel involved in the running of the course.

In a letter to Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, CAIR National Executive Director, Nihad Awad, said it was “imperative” that those who “taught our future military leaders to wage war not just on our terrorist enemy, but on the faith of Islam itself be held accountable.”

ADC Legal Director, Abed Ayoub, said the revelations were “very troubling.”

“You’re sending American soldiers overseas with these trainings and these biases … I think there definitely should be a study as to what impact these trainings have had on their actions.”

MRFF has filed request under the Freedom of Information Act seeking to surface all communication and documentation about the Perspectives course.

Michael Weinstein, a former Air Force Judge Advocate General, believes the course is merely a symptom of a larger problem. In recent years he has campaigned against the military’s invitation of speakers that are known for virulent anti-Islam views.

“This is simply a small cancer cell that is rapidly metastasizing,” he said. “This is representative of a larger more sinister force which is fundamentalist Christianity.”

A former Assistant Defence Secretary, Lawrence Korb, has gone a step further and suggested there is a direct link between this kind of course and the incidents of US forces destroying copies of the Qur’an and mistreating Afghan corpses.

Korb said: “If you feel that the enemy is not al Qaeda or the Taliban but is Islam, when you see something like the Koran you say, ‘Well, this is part of the enemy’ rather than something that is sacred to people who are not your enemy.

“The fact that this climate is created makes these incidents more likely.”

The FBI, meanwhile, has revealed that it too has recently been forced to revise some of its instructional materials to excise references that could have been insulting to Islam.

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  1. Are non muslims allowed in Mecca and Medina airspace?

  2. Non-Muslims can’t even ENTER Mecca or Medina.

  3. There are plenty of restriction zones for “military personel only” in America and other places around the world. They have there security reasons for doing that. Some ppl have religious ones. Israel prohibits Palestinians from even entering Singapore. They don’t have a good reason, the law just exists. If u r
    American and support Israel, plz answer that.

  4. “Israel prohibits Palestinians from even entering Singapore”

    What does Singapore have to say?

    “They have there security reasons for doing that. Some ppl have religious ones”

    If cities were closed to muslims can you imagine the screams of islamophobia?

    I always find it amusing when the OIC publish yet another paper on islamophobia when their HQ is in saudi arabia which is one of the most intolerant places of earth and where freedom of religion and freedom from religion is illegal.

  5. Israel will not let you in if your passport shows visas to certain countries.

    The OIC probably sees nothing wrong with killing non muslims while whining about persecution.
    After all, everybody else is wrong in their eyes.

  6. this guy should definately be fired.

    “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.” nietzsche

    but also to say that the koran is not a problem: “when you see something like the Koran you say, ‘Well, this is part of the enemy’ rather than something that is sacred to people who are not your enemy.” i wouldn’t say part of the enemy but certainly part of the problem. it is clearly a violent document with some terrible ideas. and the enemy uses it to motivate and recruit. as are the hadiths. it can be both a problem and something that is sacred to people.

  7. I assume this is a contingency plan dreamed up by some instructor, to be used in case of a truly insane move against the west.

    Since muslims routinely express genocidal urges against the Jews and the rest of us, they shouldn’t be too awfully surprised at the turnabout. They usually are, though.

  8. Mike, James and anon,

    Friends, all faiths have violent elements. Come on, you can’t deny that. When the Crusaders went to Jerusalem, didn’t they murder Muslims, Jews and eastern Christians in the name of Christianity albeit they said there motive was to “liberate” Jerusalem from the “infidel” Muslims? Hold on! If Muslims were the problem, why were Jews and eastern Christians murdered? Russian czars incited the Orthodox Christians in the Balkans and openly interfered into the Bullshit Ottomans’ territory to protect their Orthodox coreligionists? Did they forget Ottomans were massacring Arab Orthodoxes?

    If you study the Mahabharata and Ramayana, you will find more violence, hatred and racism in them than the Quran. Hence, you people consider us Muslims as the only culprits. Please continue.

    If you say Muslims call for the annihilation of others, then those others are accused of the same crime too. What do the BJP, RSS, Bajrang dal do in India? The Thais are wiping the Muslims out at wholesale rates. Yet the West is silent. I condemn my government too for complying with the Thai’s mentality. The Mindanao Muslims are everytime demonised. Why? They are fighting to secure their own lands that were snatched by the fucking Spaniards and Christianised. Is the Muslims’ fighting wrong?

    For your kind information, the Saudis don’t consider others as humans but themselves. Remember the carnage on Iranian pilgrims in Mecca in the 1980s?

    What are your thoughts on western theological and anti-Muslim “scholars'” biblical comments and mentality? Boykin, Graham, Fallwell, Piles, Stencher, Swaggart? During the heydays of British Empire, where the sun never set, writer Rudyard Kipling said, “God has one naionality these days. He is a Briton.” My question is, does God have a nationality as Kipling said? If yes, then I think He got several nationalities: Hittite, Roman, Byzantine, Persian (pre-Islamic), Germanic, Rashidun, Umayyid, Abbasid, Mongol, Norman, Czarist Russia, European Colonial powers of courese, and so on.

  9. Quit trying to minimize the damage that Islam is currently doing to our society. The current issue is the terrorist activity going on around the world to date. Approximately 98% of those terrorist attacks are being carried out by Muslims. The majority of the terrorists who carried out 9/11 were Islamists from Saudi Arabia. The terrorists who released sarin gas into the Tokyo subway were Muslim. The Muslim Brotherhood who now denounces any peace agreement with Israel are Muslim. Hamas and Hezbollah are Muslim. The terrorists who attacked foreign visitors in Egypt a few years ago and killed them were Muslim. Al Queda terrorists are Muslim. A Muslim husband,wife and children were killed execution style in their home in Dearborn, Michigan for speaking out against Islam by Islamic death squads. I completely agree with General Dooley. We are at war with Islam. All Muslim’s read from the Koran. The Koran okays the killing of Jews, Christians and all others who refuse to convert to Islam. Islamists try to use discrimination as a legal means to control our views of them and their religion. It does not and will not work. Those who are naive and want to play their little game in the long run will see the real truth and it will be too late. You all better wake up right now.

    The Verse Of The Sword from Al-Tawbah
    Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them,
    beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.” – Sura 9:5

    “Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously
    with them.” – Sura 9:73

    “Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not
    the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at
    your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah
    and your enemy… Prophet, (Muhammed) rouse the faithful to arms!
    If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make
    peace with them.” – Sura 8:59

    “If they reject your judgement, know that it is Allah’s wish to scourge
    them for their sins.” – Sura 5:49

    “Believers (Muslims), take neither Jews nor Christians to be your
    friends: they are friends with one another.
    Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number,
    and God does not guide (those Jewish and Christian) wrong-doers.” – Sura 5:51

  10. …..

  11. if they even try to point their missiles or drones toward meccah!!! the whole world will be cursed!!!! and will be the cause of WW3

  12. I doubt “cursed.” but I would agree on the ww3 part

  13. I doubt “cursed.” but I would agree on the ww3 part

  14. Germany may have lost WW2, but Fascism won.

  15. @Rocky Lore—Mecca and Medina are destinations for worship, not tourist attractions. There’s really no reason for nonMuslims to go there.

  16. The sarin attack was done by the Aum Shinrikyo, a dreadful mixture of several religions, a truly insane cult.

  17. lolz no ones dady can destroy Makkah and madina……but hey US Military wants to to liberate people from their creater too ?? WTH !!

  18. horrible

  19. Ohoo USA so Disgusting , sick their head !

  20. That would trigger an all out war, Ww3. And perhaps the last for mankind! Just think of it, 57+ islamic nations unites for one purpose. Iran, pakistan, malaysia, oman, saudi, indonesia, turkey, egypt, syria, lebanon, to name a few. Compare to triple alliance during ww2 is nothing. Plus, italy wasn’t really that helpful.

  21. they can’t destroy makkah n madinah

  22. I downloaded every PDF file that was made available about these courses, and I’m preparing to read them. This is serious stuff, like Old World primitive war stuff. True democracies do NOT resort to these kinds of measures…destruction of holy cities leads to world war.

  23. Please do not misconstrue the words and actions of one idiot, in this case the individual who created this course, as being representative of American public opinion.

  24. Fortunately, this course no longer exists–it’s surprising that it took years before its inappropriateness was recognized. Ideally, every office who has taken this course would be recalled for retraining.

  25. Fortunately, this course no longer exists–it’s surprising that it took years before its inappropriateness was recognized. Ideally, every office who has taken this course would be recalled for retraining.

  26. In my humble opinion, the officers who approved this material deserve to face court martial.

  27. the muslim ummah will unite against them inshaAllah!

  28. and then they say the soldiers ‘go rogue’ ….. nonsense, they do their best to destroy the humanity inside these men who signed up to protect our country …… and then send them to die to protect corporate interests and then have the government turn it’s back on them if they fail to get themselves killed

  29. The class got shut down the moment higher up Pentagon officials discovered it. In fact, were it not for them doing so, it wouldn’t even be in the news.

  30. This explains a lot of things. I wonder about those that were taught this ideology and are now teaching in the schools. Those that had this education need to have a mandatory education that teach tolerance, especially those teaching in schools and holding official positions of authority. Its great to live in a country where there are checks and balances. God bless the person that brought this to light and those that are standing out against it.

  31. I alwas suspected that America is NOT the true example of democracy. Ignorance breeds hate, and unfortunately the American government wants to ensure that all Americans live continiously in the state of ignorance.

  32. AMERICA my home, and I have been seeing and feeling all the hatred for so many years, sizing it up , but this idiocy, how long the indoctrination has gone on surprises me

  33. I can’t believe it!

  34. I can’t believe it!

  35. Ok, if this course no longer exists because the authorities deemed it inappropriate, and since it was created by 1 individual, then why post it all over the Internet? Judging by some of the comments above, it seems too many people think it still exists. By posting this link, you are instigating more hatred and distrust.

  36. @L.a. Messian: Because some were taught this and they need to be untaught. Its good to post on this subject to let people know that there is something called “checks and balances.” Thank goodness. Its good to educate the public on these issues so we can decrease predjudice. The government is on top of this one.

  37. I find it interesting that many American Christians can differentiate between Christians and extremist Christians, but they can’t differentiate between Muslims and extremist Muslims.

  38. May there be peace on earth, someday!

  39. I agree with L.A… first why delete my message? Bcz I wasn’t scared or bcz I didn’t get angry? I think your page is just as much promoting something other than peace..

  40. The Islamic world does not have the military ability to project power.

    Therefore there would be no WWIII.

    We have already seen since the 1960s, Muslims do not/can not fight in a traditional sense and must practice a-symmetrical warfare / terrorism to attack the kuffar.

    However, a sustained campaign of Martyrdom Missions, the kind we have seen in Pakistan/Indonesia/Iraq/Afghanistan/Yemen ect would be the only recourse to the OPPRESSION that Islam faces.

  41. Paul,

    Just one statement from you was enough, or may I say, more than enough. And friend, you probably miss a topic on this site: All Muslims are terrorists, except the 94% that are not.

    You say the Tokyo Sarin gas criminals were Muslims. You remind me a joke. A US student goes to Oxford for his MA IN HISTORY. The teacher was very strict and his class would always start at 12.15 PM. One day the US student delays and reaches at 12.30 and sufficiently angers the teacher. The topic that day was Magna Carta. When teacher asks when the charter was signed. The US student is at a loss. An Irish student from backbench says “sir, in 1215″. Immediately the US student says “sir, I am just 15 minutes late.” Now, you may say that Romans were Muslims.

    And I may guess where you get these verses from and why putting them here. The word hoy war as perpetrated by the fucken ones like mentioned in my previous post, and craphead Muslim terrorists is a gross misnomer. The exact translation of holy war in Arabic is Hharb al Muqaddasa which is inexistent in Islamic texts. Battles should be translated as “Ghazwa” and the fighter is ghazi. But your “scholars” get it from the misuse of the craphead Muslims and start to dance with it nakedly in literal sense of course.

    And why do you omit the sufferings Muslims underwent before the establishment of Islam? You people always quote from our texts to justify your stance and also to demonise ourselves.

    For your information, before beginning this sura Tawbah, the name of God is banned to utter as this sura prescribes Jihad. And the verses you mention you have put them out of context. I know you will accuse me about what out of context. Let me say: barely looking at the verses you may see (if you honestly do at all), these refer to specific wars, and does not give wild-cards for wars to be waged on non-Muslims for eternity. And are not Jews and Christians friends? Why do you refer Jews and Christians as misguided wrongdoers? A wrongdoer can be from any faith (including Muslims) even with no faith.

    You say Muslims read from the Quran to murder and destroy non-Muslims. What did the bastard Spanish read when they plundered the Americas? There is a place in Mexico called Veracruz (The Land of the True Cross). Why? Did Christianity reach there before Christophucker Columbastard begam tp plunder them? And the inquisitions? The division of the new world by the Pope Alexander VI between Spain and Portugal? Who authorised him? the last Inca King was forcefully baptised, later beheaded and his head was hung on a spear.

  42. Hey Muqtadir, I belched. Just thought you’d want to know.

  43. Perhaps you should try and eat less fast food and exercise more.

  44. James,

    And who supports the Saudi Devil’s lot? The US and the West. Just take a look back in time, these were the people who destroyed the holy sites in the country including the Prophet’s own and relatives’. In WW1, they conspired with the british to overthrow the eunuch Ottomans with whom the British and French jointly fought the Czarist Russians. When the Shittomans became more eunuch, France and Britain began to plunder them like anything.

  45. my dear broda Dongo,why do u waste ur time arguin with minds already blinded from receiving empirical proof?? Actions speak louder…..!! D world is coming 2 an end and ds is the Great battle we’r waitin 4! when war wl b declared on Islam………..! When Abraha Ashram wanted 2 destroy ka’abah wat happend 2 him! If d u s army want 2 destroy MECCA AND MEDINA let dem go ahead and lets c hw far they wl succeed.unless ALLAH is not watching…..

  46. Muqtadir sounds nuttier than a fruitcake but he is actually fruiter than a nutcake

  47. Muqtadir u r crazy!! islam was never about hate nd killing kouffar!!
    every1 has the right to believe what he wants, its nat up to anyone

  48. Sister Fatima,

    Thanks. You are correct: why do I waste my time? Anti-Muslims continue their filth that Islam is racist, violent, intolerant and so on. They call it mediaeval. I question: what is mediaeval? Other than some exceptions, the whole West was in darkness then just like the Muslims now a days in total. In my country’s history, which has been distorted and “rewritten” by the British and their uppercaste Hindu love children, the era of Turkish rule (1203-1350) is called “Bengal’s dark age” though there had been many positive developments then. Our literature and culture were restored from the ultra racist Hindu Brahminic coil. You know what the Brahmins used to do? They forbade practising the Vedas and Mahabharata in Bengali language and would pour molten iron into anyone’s ear who used any other tongue than Sanskrit. Yet now Muslims are terrorist and all others are angels.

  49. dongo,

    “Friends, all faiths have violent elements” no doubt. so why adhere to these faiths? aip them…that stands for abandon in place. “Come on, you can’t deny that.” i would never deny that.

    “Crusaders went to Jerusalem” lmfao…do you not remeber my first comment to you? i said you forgot to bring up the crusades, page one in the handbook? you said you don’t need a handbook for a street dog, sewer rat…etc. like me. lol.

    “you will find more violence, hatred and racism in them than the Quran.” so are you saying the is some violence, hatred and racism in them than the Quran?

    “Hence, you people consider us Muslims as the only culprits. Please continue.” not the only culprits, but the most active at the moment and the most likely to blow me up while i’m at a bar.

    “What are your thoughts on western theological and anti-Muslim “scholars’” biblical comments and mentality? Boykin, Graham, Fallwell, Piles, Stencher, Swaggart?” bastards all of them.

    “Rudyard Kipling said, “God has one naionality these days. He is a Briton.”” didn’t know that. but his book kim was quite interesting. the british are quite nationalistic, especially back then. he gets no pass for being a man of his times like muhammad gets for marrying a 9 year old? or jefferson for sally hemmings?

  50. fatima audu,

    “my dear broda Dongo,why do u waste ur time arguin with minds already blinded from receiving empirical proof??” what empirical proof do you speak of?

    “ds is the Great battle we’r waitin 4!” “unless ALLAH is not watching…..” you sound like mullah omar. so where was allah in 67? or 47?

    so the religion of peace is awaiting a great battle? strange.

  51. first i don’t think we have any intentions of destroying mecca. but seriouly you are equating some guy in the sixth centrury with elephantes to our fire power? ya’ll are funny in your self delution.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha

    “Islamic traditionMain article: Year of the Elephant
    See also: Shaiba ibn Hashim
    Islamic tradition credits Abraha with a military expedition against the Quraysh of Mecca in an invasion of Hejaz in 570,[4] known as the Year of the Elephant. The tafsir (exegesis) of the surat al-Fil states that he perished.

    The traditions also say that Abraha is said to have built a cathedral at San’a’ known as “al-Qullays” (from the Greek Ekklesia)[5] to rival the Kaaba at Mecca and specifically came with his forces of elephants to destroy the Kaaba.”

  52. Mike,

    You can call me anything you like. I will barely object. About the crusades, I watched them from the History Channel where a handsome professor from Cambridge was presenting his findings and opinions. I can’t buy the books as sending money abroad from Bangladesh is very tough unless you are a businessman, bank, criminal or politician.

    No. More than the Quran. And Muslims did not invent the suicide bombing. Again Mike, come on, I did not call Kipling unfit to be a human; to me, except my father’s relatives all are humans. So why are you referring to my prophet as inhuman? And I told you that marrying young girls was a custom in vogue worldwide then; moreover, the age of Aisha still remains debated among Muslim scholars, you and me are far away.

    No, I don’t think Islam is going to wage a war on you. Just like you can’t say all Christians are going to wage war on Muslims. It is thugs from all religions who try to do this. They belong to you and me as well. But Mike, there is one question: Christian theologists, writers, scholars saying Islam is antichrist, whore of Babylon, the Dragon, the Beast—everything. What about that?

    Remember, when Abraha went there, the elephant was a very powerful weapon then. Then there was no aircraft, no US, no ICBM. Let me mention one thing for you: The Pentagon admitted Iraqi insurgents hacking into US high-tech weapon commands at barely 26$ softwares. The Camp Chapman attack by the TTP, I think was one of the nost debilitating for the CIA, the most sophisticated and successful spy agency suffering to some stone age zealots. And take a look at the Vietnam war: what and how much shoeslap “your” “fireower” rich country received.

  53. Most religions say they are the only truth, but these days have given up trying to force, attack or kill the unbelievers. Muslims are the only ones stuck in that mode.

    Most peoples also have given up the tribalism that afflicts muslims.

    Why would non muslims welcome the presence of muslims? Our lives are not worth a bean to them. Many of them think they are entitled to attack or kill us.

  54. Dongo, the war in Nam was kept going by not bombing certain ports. US pilot wrote a book – why the hell were we not allowed to bomb these ports? To keep it going for its economic value, presumably.

    It was iniquitous. Men were drafted into it.

  55. Dongo: the House of Saud will eventually fall, and the oil reserves that have kept it and the Wahabi enterprise going will diminish greatly. The diminishment has already started.

    The other muslim countries will blunder for years with theocratic concepts but slowly pull out of them.

    This is how I write in a more optimistic mood than my usual.

    All posters of whatever faiths should keep up the commentary and reportage, it is the only route to improvement.

  56. dongo,

    sir, jk, that’s great i love the history channel. sorry to hear you can’t use amazon in bangladesh. let me know what book you want and if i can afford it i’ll send it to you.

    “No. More than the Quran.” yes, more than the koran. but the comparison to me implies that there is violence in the koran. thus to me it shows it to be less then divine? again comparing which of the abrahamic religions is the most violent is pointless. they have all been violent and i don’t see why we as modern educated people still want to follow ancient laws which are brutal in nature. we have created better documents to govern society. duh, i used “all” in there. but there are only three of them. could be a save bet.

    “And Muslims did not invent the suicide bombing.” never said they did. i image suicide attacks were around long before islam even existed. certainly the kamikazies come to mind as non-muslim suicide bombers. but i think it was a 12 year-old iranian boy who attacked an iraqi tank in the 80-88 war that put modern suicide bombing for muslims in vogue.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack

    “Again Mike, come on, I did not call Kipling unfit to be a human;…why are you referring to my prophet as inhuman?” i think we are speaking two different englishes here?????? never said either of those things. i was trying to say that given the historical perspective of the time in which he lived, one could see why he made such a statement. it doesn’t matter, not sure how we got on this tangent? but i do love tangents so.

    “And I told you that marrying young girls was a custom in vogue worldwide then; moreover, the age of Aisha still remains debated among Muslim scholars, you and me are far away.” exactly, just because something is a world-wide custom doesn’t make it alright. just because one abrahamic religion is worse then the other doesn’t mean we should follow the least violent. there is a better way. ok forget marrying a child. yes we are far away. how about my favorite verses from the koran. do you support the opening of the 24th surah?

    “No, I don’t think Islam is going to wage a war on you.” i would hope not. it would be suicide. then again? suicide doesn’t seem to scare some of them.

    “Just like you can’t say all Christians are going to wage war on Muslims.” i try to never say “all”, ever. you know what they say, never say never.

    “It is thugs from all religions who try to do this. They belong to you and me as well.” no they don’t belong to me. i have no commonality with them.

    “But Mike, there is one question: Christian theologists, writers, scholars saying Islam is antichrist, whore of Babylon, the Dragon, the Beast—everything. What about that?” total non-sense. there is no anti-christ. there is no beast. the book of revelations, as all “revelations” are non-sense. lol. damn i just used the word all. i crack myself up. the evangelicals are nuts. they sound like your sister fatima, with her great battle prediction. and let’s not forget the revelation of the rise of the 12th caliphate, or is it the fifth? you a twelever or a fifthter? seventher? so many interpretations, hard to keep all the abrahamic craziness straight. we are far away.

    “Remember, when Abraha went there, the elephant was a very powerful weapon then. Then there was no aircraft, no US, no ICBM.” lol. thanks boss. yes i realize the elephant was quite the weapon in ancient times. so are you implying that god intervined? so again the question of why not angelic intervention in the 67 war, like in the battle of badr?

    “Let me mention one thing for you: The Pentagon admitted Iraqi insurgents hacking into US high-tech weapon commands at barely 26$ softwares. The Camp Chapman attack by the TTP, I think was one of the nost debilitating for the CIA, the most sophisticated and successful spy agency suffering to some stone age zealots.” no doubt we shouldn’t underestimate the power of zeal. just look at 9/11. you make a strong arguement as to why we should be ever vigilant when around muslims. never know which ones are zealots and mean to use our own weapons against us. never know if fatima means to bring on the great battle. never know who thinks they can bring the hidden iman out. never know who means to bring about the “day of judgement”. never know who thinks that allah wishes to punish us by their hands? holy cow how many times did i say never. so much for that saying.

    “And take a look at the Vietnam war: what and how much shoeslap “your” “fireower” rich country received.” not sure what shoelap means? but yeah we did poorly in vietnam. we were too half-assed in that war. nor did we break-out our big firepower, and hopefully we never will.

  57. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Chapman_attack

    looks like second only to the 83 bombing of our beruit embassy. didn’t remember that one. i do remember the 230 marines killed in beruit. reagan made a great mistake by pulling out after that. encouraged the suicide tactic. muslims have been attacking us for a long time now for many reasons. strange coming from the “religion of peace”? don’t you think?

    this could be partof the problem??????
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The example of a Mujahid in Allah’s Cause– and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause—-is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.”

  58. The Islamic world may not have the military power but it does have the lunatics to start WW3.

    As for developments in Iraq, Pakistan, etc. That long arc which bends toward justice also bends towards freedom.

  59. dongo,

    it is you who called me a pond frog, a sewer rat, a street dog and a worm.

    you confuse me with: “Mike,

    You can call me anything you like. I will barely object.”

    but you objected to me calling you sir???????? go figure?

  60. The Islamic world does not have the military ability to project power.

    Therefore there would be no WWIII.

    We have already seen since the 1960s, Muslims do not/can not fight in a traditional sense and must practice a-symmetrical warfare / terrorism to attack the kuffar.

    However, a sustained campaign of Martyrdom Missions, the kind we have seen in Pakistan/Indonesia/Iraq/Afghanistan/Yemen ect would be the only recourse to the OPPRESSION that Islam faces.

    //Muqtadir Mohammad via Facebook
    27 May 2012 at 9:25 pm

    yeah nothing to fear here!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. Mike,

    Sorry for the delay. I beg pardon. Friend, I am in jail since 31-05-12; hope to write from 13-06-12.

  62. Do not threaten the western world in the name of allah or his hand and the hands of many, many soldiers will rain down apon you in the great 10th crusade. Violent Islam beware- we will tear your soul apart.

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