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Egyptian Elections: Islamophobes Will Be Unable to Explain this Picture

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Egyptian Elections: Islamophobes Will Be Unable to Explain this Picture

Of course anti-Islam bigots like “John C. Drew, Ph.D” will be unable to explain the picture below. According to them, Muslims are all persecuting Christians in Egypt, who are supposedly in the same position as Jews on the eve of the Kristalnacht (h/t: Amir):

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The picture is taken from the Facebook group, The Official Page for the Coalition of Coptic Egyptians.

They wrote this as a caption for the picture:
دى بقى من أجمل صور المصراوية فى الإنتخابات الرئاسية لمصوّر جريدة الأهرام “بسّام الزغبى” .. سأختارها حتما ضمن أفضل صور العام.
انشرها وعرف غيرك اننا هنفضل مسلم ومسيحى مش كلام لكن حقيقة

Translation: “One of the most beautiful photos of Egyptians during the presidential elections from photographer for Al-Ahram newspaper, “Bustaam Al-Zoghbi.” We choose it amongst the best pictures of the year. Spread it. And let others besides yourself know that verily we remain Muslims and Christians, not just “talk” but “reality.”

But who wants to hear the voice of Copts themselves, when “John C. Drew, PhD” can speak for them?

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  1. I have read the comments by John C Drew and nowhere can I find where he has asserted “Muslims are all persecuting Christians in Egypt”

  2. Plenty of Copts are speaking out. I daresay Copts aren’t going to come out and say everything they are thinking when they are in public in Egypt.

    Non muslims are expected to have a crawling posture of cringing politeness to the muslim majority, full of apologies and reconciliations and other tommyrot typical of debased citizens deprived of full rights.

  3. anyone who thinks all muslims are terrorist is an idiot who ignores the facts, the empirical facts. just like anyone who says there is no such thing as an islamic terrorist is an idiot who ignores the facts, the empirical facts.

    just like anyone who says the copts aren’t in danger from islamist.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/01/world/la-fg-egypt-church-attack-20110102

  4. yeah, it happens in egypt…not in saudi arabia.

  5. Maybe if women ruled the world, these kinds of photos would be commonplace.

  6. Maybe if women ruled the world, these kinds of photos would be commonplace

  7. @Sarah Elliot, since when has Saudi Arabia a beacon of human rights and a representation of Islam? Moron.

  8. Be nice.

  9. I think Sarahs been misunderstood

  10. As much as I condone/expect occurrences like these form all sides, you have to be careful to of those used as propaganda, like American troops with puppies or IDF soldiers giving out candy. This one is obviously not one of those.

  11. That douchebag Mike is at again. Double talk does not impress me or anyone else who can spot a green snake in green grass like yourself. You are nothing but bigot and douchebag. So why dont you do mother nature a favor and kill yourself already.

    I troll here spreading hate with your bs. By copying and pasting you think you got phd I bet lol. Only a douchebag copies and paste and cannot who cannot express his or her ideas. So you try to lead others to fake or useless facts to spread hate and fear die already douchebag.

  12. Sarah is Troll end of story. Besides blaming Saudi arabia is like blaming the oven for your shitty batch of cookies. The west runs saudiès with there interests. The deal is they protect the saudis from other nations and there own but get a good deal on oil. So the whole blame cannot be taking by the saudies , they get 50 percent of the blame the other is divided by west.

  13. bashie,

    sup? your extensive use of the word douchebag always makes me laugh.

    “That douchebag Mike is at again. Double talk does not impress me or anyone else who can spot a green snake in green grass like yourself.” what double talk. please copy and paste me to prove your point.
    “You are nothing but bigot and douchebag. So why dont you do mother nature a favor and kill yourself already.” agian with the kill yourself? i love life too much for that. nor do i believe in dying for allah and the highest place in heaven. as for being a green snake. i am jinn and take the form of a snake quite often. sometimes a scorpion. yesterday i took the form of a black dog. lmfao.

    “I troll here spreading hate with your bs. By copying and pasting you think you got phd I bet lol. Only a douchebag copies and paste and cannot who cannot express his or her ideas.” well i copy and paste facts, not really empirical facts because they are not facts detemined through sceintific obsevation of experimentations, but facts of actual acts. why is coping and pasting a bad thing????????
    “So you try to lead others to fake or useless facts to spread hate and fear die already douchebag.” why are these facts fake or useless???????

    as for my ideas, i think we should abandon these silly beliefs in angels and demons. that any religion is the best way to run a society. well i’m sure those aren’t original thoughts. you got anything other than calling me a d-bag??????????? you think the opening of the 24th surah is good law?

    anyways i will light another cig, so i’m working on that dying thing for ya. but it will probably at least another 30 years.

    Asalaam Alaikum

  14. Jami

    “Maybe if women ruled the world, these kinds of photos would be commonplace.” no doubt. men are clearly more aggressive and prone to violence then women.

    oh shit i copied and pasted your comment. guess that makes me a douchebag. oh well.

    unfortunately the structure of the animal kingdom is that the strong dominate. hopefully as the animal with the largest brain, we humans can someday move past our primal instincts and develop a world of equallity and peace. but i wouldn’t hold your breath.

    you ever read “power vs force”. i’m not a believer in applied kinesiology but it has some interesting concepts.

  15. //Jane,

    You wrote,
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    I have read the comments by John C Drew and nowhere can I find where he has asserted “Muslims are all persecuting Christians in Egypt”
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    If that’s the case than you didn’t read his comments carefully enough.

    This is his exact quote from the link near the top of the article. This is what John C Drew wrote verbatim.

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    Lawrence of America. My wife and I recently visited Egypt and saw the mistreatment of Christians at the hands of Muslims face-to-face. (I spoke at the Bible Society of Egypt for a three day seminar.) I don’t think you understand how much fear Christians living in Egypt live with every day. As I’ve said, it will take a lot of extra work for folks to convince me Islam is a Religion of Peace.
    ————————————————————————-

    Granted that he may not be talking about all Muslims, or even all Egyptian Muslims, but he is clearly saying that Christians in Egypt are in danger because of their faith, Egyptian Muslims are intolerant of Christians and that mainstream Islam is a violent intolerant religion.

    Also anyone who describes someone as an “Islamorealist” is probably a supporter of people like Robert Spencer.

  16. bashie,

    so r u in favor of sharia?

    why will no muslim answer that question?????????

  17. CriticalDragon1177

    so why have coptic churches been blown up by muslims. is that not reason to fear?

    your quote: “Granted that he may not be talking about all Muslims, or even all Egyptian Muslims,”

    so you disagree with the author who says “Of course anti-Islam bigots like “John C. Drew, Ph.D” will be unable to explain the picture below. According to them, Muslims are all persecuting Christians in Egypt, ” note the “according to them, muslims are all”

  18. Wonderful picture. It would be great if all Muslims would act like this. It would also be great if all Christians and those of other religions would act like this. Too many people of faith do not work to live their faith on a daily basis. May God (Allah) help us all to live our faith in all we do.

  19. Ahmed Mohamed,

    you forgot to call sarah a douchebag. you forgot to bring up your support of abortion.

  20. One thing that Islamophobes love to do is use the faults of Saudia Arabia and other muslim countries as an excuse for justification for injustice against Muslims in the west or to make little of them. This site is not to condone Saudi or exremism on the part of muslims, but it is to show that muslims are victims of bigotry as well due to guilt by association (Islamic extremism) and that this is unaccpetable. Extremism is of different forms and on all sides. John, humans religious and non-religious tend to exclude and mistreat the “other” and I have heard some really hateful comments made by atheists towards all religious people. People all need to learn to get along and accept one another regardless of ideological/religious preference, ethnicity, race, etc. Until bigotry (bullying) is removed from the west, we in the west need to focus our attention on ourselves and not point fingers at other nations and cultures. Wrong is wrong period, no matter by who or against whom and where and at what level!

  21. “If that’s the case than you didn’t read his comments carefully enough.”

    You say that then go on to provide a quote and an explanation which agrees with me. How does that work?

  22. Eyad, wake up and smell the burning Christians. Muslims are now attacking and vandalizing churches in Europe. There is a rather large number of them that think they are entitled to do this and they are egged on by their rotten clerics.

    It is not a few extremists, it is a sizable bunch of violent people similar to the Nazis. They are aided by the cowardice of the media which under reports their activities.

  23. Mike,
    Comparing intolerance of ppl towards other religions as part of their faith? Are u blind? Muslims can’t practice their religion freely in America without being scrutinized as being part of a some terrorist group. Its the same in Egypt. The result of long, bad foreign policies (e.g. supporting Israel’s attack on Egypt, do some history) create tension between different faiths, not their religion. 9/11 also created tension between Muslims and Christians in America. SO if u judge my religion based upon what a few individuals do (note: there are OVER 1.5 billion Muslims, pissing off 1% is still 150,000,000 angry Muslims, which u can’t seem to get thru ur thick head) then I can use the same reasoning to show that as an American, u are a violent nation, with violent beliefs. After all u do support bombing Japan (sarcasm). And if u don’t then by ur reasoning as an atheist, u r violent anyways because u r still an American (its part of ur beliefs anyway). (more sarcasm)

  24. Eyad Ayesh,

    so do you support sharia?

    “People all need to learn to get along and accept one another regardless of ideological/religious preference, ethnicity, race, etc.” so you disagree with ali for burning athiests? he was a rightfully guided caliphate!

    “Until bigotry (bullying) is removed from the west, we in the west need to focus our attention on ourselves and not point fingers at other nations and cultures.” so we should allow other cultures and nations in the east to attack us? we should ignore 9/11. until we are perfect we can’t comment on the imperfections of other nations? peoples?

    so when are muslims going to focus on not blowing us up?

    “and I have heard some really hateful comments made by atheists towards all religious people.” like what? you know what they say stick and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me? but fire on the other hand!

    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

    Narrated ‘Ikrima:

    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

  25. Mike,
    U really r a douchbag bcuz u keep posting the “What about the opening of the 24th Surah” “Do u support Sharia Law?” I thought atheists didn’t support religion becuz they believe it is irrational and made up. Well u obviously didn’t use ur rational mind when u did ur research. I will keep posting this exact same comment when u do mention them further, so everyone can c u for what u really r. The 24th Surah is a continuation from the 4th chapter for sexual misconduct. It is a law only imposed on non Muslims. Non-Muslims were not forced to undergo this punishment. U need 4 male witnesses to testify to seeing the act (which is virtually impossible unless u do it in the streets, in which case u would get arrested anywhere else). The law was mainly to get men to stop casually calling women sluts. If a woman’s reputation is ruined than she could never get married, so false witnesses were punished if found guilty. The Sharia, in my opinion, was fair and did maintain social order. If u want to say that is extreme, go ahead. U r extreme for supporting murder of Japanese civillians (as mentioned above).

  26. Mike,
    U also luv the Hadith about Ali very much. It easily shows u r most likely a Robert Spencer follower. Let me also repeat the answer for all to know. NO ONE WAS KILLED SIMPLY FOR APOSTASY, U LIAR AND U KNOW IT. The Quran does not give permission, nor did Muhammad give punishment for simple apostasy. During those times when people left Islam it was to join the enemies in fighting the Muslims. It was treason. The death penalty for treason still exists in America (double standard). Did Muhammad kill everyone who persecuted him for 20 years when he reconquered Mecca? No! He forgave them. He punished the apostates because they made a treaty with the Muslims and then secretly broke it and when they were caught they were punished (remember:fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice shame on me). So out of thousands of persecutors he punishes what, 10 ppl? It shows u he only punished the elite culprits and forgave their minions. That was justice.

    Bukhari, volume 9, #37
    “Narrated Abu Qilaba: Once Umar bin Abdul Aziz sat on his throne in the courtyard of his house so that the people might gather before him….He replied “By Allah, Allah’s messenger never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: 1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) 2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and, 3) a man who fought against Allah and His messenger, and deserted Islam and became an apostate….

    NOTE CAREFULLY IF U HAVE EYES for the third reason specifically. All other hadiths u quote are out of context. I used this hadith from the same reference as where u got the burning of Apostates.

  27. m bennet,

    Mike,
    “Comparing intolerance of ppl towards other religions as part of their faith? Are u blind?” sorry i don’t follow you at all?
    “Muslims can’t practice their religion freely in America without being scrutinized as being part of a some terrorist group.” well i quess you should blame the terrorist. so you would say that after the oklahoma city bombing that right wing groups were not allowed to practice their ideology without scrutiny?
    “Its the same in Egypt.” again i don’t follow?
    “The result of long, bad foreign policies (e.g. supporting Israel’s attack on Egypt, do some history)” you talking about the 67 war? i’m some what familiar. yes our foriegm policy can be bad. but no one claims it to be divine.
    “create tension between different faiths, not their religion.” that makes no sense to me?
    “9/11 also created tension between Muslims and Christians in America.” no shit.
    “SO if u judge my religion based upon what a few individuals do” no i judge your religion as bad based on what the koran and hadiths say, have you not read the koran? the 24th surah? have you not seen my multiple posts of hadiths where your “prophet” stones poeple. where your “rightfuly guided caliphate” stones people, where your “prophet” lashes people?
    “(note: there are OVER 1.5 billion Muslims, pissing off 1% is still 150,000,000 angry Muslims, which u can’t seem to get thru ur thick head)” what are you talking about. i have gone with the stat posted on this website, all muslims are terrorist other then the 99.6% who aren’t. so yes there are only 600,000 muslims trying to kill me. lol. again i miss your point totally. you are saying there are 150,000 muslims that mean me harm. but i’m being phobic to think any muslim means me harm???????????
    “then I can use the same reasoning to show that as an American, u are a violent nation, with violent beliefs.” we are a violent nation. we are born of war. the whiskey rebellion, the war of 1812, the mexican american war, the civil war the spanish american war, ww1, ww2, korea, vietnam, grenada, operation just cause, bosnia, somalia, the first gulf war, afghanistan, the second time into irag, and i’m sure i missed quite a few. the barbary wars? but we claim no divinity, well i claim no divinity in any of those conflicts.
    “After all u do support bombing Japan (sarcasm).” yes i support fat man and little boy. an invasion of the main island would have been catastrophic to our troops. just look at the fanaticism on okinawa. women jumping off cliffs with their babies. somewhat simialar to the actions of your brothers in islam. the willingness to kill one’s self for your emperor or god.
    “And if u don’t then by ur reasoning as an atheist, u r violent anyways because u r still an American (its part of ur beliefs anyway). (more sarcasm)” no not part of my beliefs. it is an unfortunate fact of the world. we must defend ourselves. i’m not a pacifist. i’m not willing to die so that my attacker may live. muslims aren’t pacifist, right. allah commands that you fight in the cause of allah, right? so how is it that muslims often claim islam to be “the religion of peace”? the amish are pacifist, the menonites, should not pacifist take the title of “the religion of peace” ahead of those who kill in the name of allah?

  28. yo yo mr bennet,

    i think you have a typo there buddy. “It is a law only imposed on non Muslims. Non-Muslims were not forced to undergo this punishment” one to many “non” s in there. come on now you know that muhammad stoned the jew and the jewess. well that’s because rajm is in the torah, right. well i was born to christian parents, so should the old law, the law of the bible appy to me?

    “U really r a douchbag bcuz u keep posting the “What about the opening of the 24th Surah” “Do u support Sharia Law?”” so again you refuse a simple yes or no? how does that make me a douchebag? i’ll take that as a yes you support sharia.
    “I thought atheists didn’t support religion becuz they believe it is irrational and made up.” right you are. again i don’t follow you at all.
    “Well u obviously didn’t use ur rational mind when u did ur research. I will keep posting this exact same comment when u do mention them further, so everyone can c u for what u really r. The 24th Surah is a continuation from the 4th chapter for sexual misconduct. It is a law only imposed on non Muslims.” again do you mean “only imposed on Muslims?”
    “Non-Muslims were not forced to undergo this punishment. U need 4 male witnesses to testify to seeing the act (which is virtually impossible unless u do it in the streets, in which case u would get arrested anywhere else).” seriously. the four witnesses again. i’ve been to a rock festival and seen people having sex. 100s of people walked by. have you never heard of pornography? paris hilton, kim kardastian? what about swingers? nudist colonies? clothing optional resorts?
    “The law was mainly to get men to stop casually calling women sluts. If a woman’s reputation is ruined than she could never get married, so false witnesses were punished if found guilty. The Sharia, in my opinion, was fair and did maintain social order.” so that’s a yes? was that so hard to say? but i think you are on to: warning a copy and paste coming
    24:6
    And those who accuse their wives [of adultery] and have no witnesses except themselves – then the witness of one of them [shall be] four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the truthful.

    24:7
    And the fifth [oath will be] that the curse of Allah be upon him if he should be among the liars.

    24:8
    But it will prevent punishment from her if she gives four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the liars.

    24:9
    And the fifth [oath will be] that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he was of the truthful

    “If u want to say that is extreme, go ahead.” thanks, that is extreme. we are moving away from draconian laws to keep social order.
    “U r extreme for supporting murder of Japanese civillians (as mentioned above).” maybe so. but sometimes extreme times call for extreme measures. war is hell. fornicating should not be.

    //M Bennett
    30 May 2012 at 11:38 pm Mike,
    “U also luv the Hadith about Ali very much.” yes i do.
    “It easily shows u r most likely a Robert Spencer follower.” no not really. i never heard of him until i saw him on christiane amopour. i mostly see him referanced here.
    “Let me also repeat the answer for all to know. NO ONE WAS KILLED SIMPLY FOR APOSTASY, U LIAR AND U KNOW IT. The Quran does not give permission, nor did Muhammad give punishment for simple apostasy.” so you differinciate between major and minor apostate? to bad the caliphates didn’t agree with you. so what school of islamic jurisprudance do you follow?
    “During those times when people left Islam it was to join the enemies in fighting the Muslims. It was treason.” i see no mention of treason in my favorite hadith?
    “The death penalty for treason still exists in America (double standard).” yes and that is a bad thing. it should be changed. we should eliminate all death penalties.
    “Did Muhammad kill everyone who persecuted him for 20 years when he reconquered Mecca? No! He forgave them.” yes i know the story of hind.
    “He punished the apostates because they made a treaty with the Muslims and then secretly broke it and when they were caught they were punished (remember:fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice shame on me).” yes the battle of trench again. so why did aki burn athiest alive? i see no mention of treason?
    “So out of thousands of persecutors he punishes what, 10 ppl? It shows u he only punished the elite culprits and forgave their minions. That was justice.” well i don’t know, many historians put the number between 500 and 900. some say the entire male population of the tribe? but who knows? ot matters not. what matters is that your interpretation of the hadiths is clearly different then many muslims, the 150,000 you mentioned. perhaps you should do more to educate your fellow muslims then worry about me?

    Bukhari, volume 9, #37
    “Narrated Abu Qilaba: Once Umar bin Abdul Aziz sat on his throne in the courtyard of his house so that the people might gather before him….He replied “By Allah, Allah’s messenger never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: 1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) 2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and, 3) a man who fought against Allah and His messenger, and deserted Islam and became an apostate….

    “NOTE CAREFULLY IF U HAVE EYES for the third reason specifically. All other hadiths u quote are out of context.” how is a hadith out of context? is it not meant to stand on it’s own? what about the second reason? so you are in favor of stoning adulterers. what am i saying, of course you are.
    “I used this hadith from the same reference as where u got the burning of Apostates.” cool. so which one supercedes the other? the self contridiction is laughable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

    “Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution – based on an interpretation of certain hadiths – to no punishment at all as long as they “do not work against the Muslim society or nation.”[1] The majority of Muslim scholars hold to the traditional view that apostasy is punishable by death or imprisonment until repentance, at least for adult men of sound mind”

  29. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_bint_Utbah

    always good to hear from you mr bennet. that comment was more to your old form. but feel free to call me a nameif you must. lol

    “fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice shame on me” i think that’s a russian saying?

    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 59:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    When the Prophet died and Abu Bakr became his successor and some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief, ‘Umar said, “O Abu Bakr! How can you fight these people although Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, ‘and whoever said, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, Allah will save his property and his life from me, unless (he does something for which he receives legal punishment) justly, and his account will be with Allah?’ “Abu Bakr said, “By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat as Zakat is the right to be taken from property (according to Allah’s Orders). By Allah! If they refused to pay me even a kid they used to pay to Allah’s Apostle, I would fight with them for withholding it.” ‘Umar said, “By Allah: It was nothing, but I noticed that Allah opened Abu Bakr’s chest towards the decision to fight, therefore I realized that his decision was right.”

  30. Bennet, muslims have been very intolerant for a very long time, long before Israel appeared on the scene. They want to kill the wrong kind of muslims as well as the non.

  31. my bad dropped a few zeros. twice. 150,000,000. lol

  32. Eyad,

    Muslims who choose to live in the West are going to have to live with the reality of free speech and the internet. No religion is above criticism, questioning or ridicule including Islam. In America that speech is protected by the first amendment.The internet means that nothing is hidden and reports of violence and intolerence against non-Muslims in Islamic countries will be reported in the West.Islam’s shabby reputation is the direct result of the terror attacks by Muslims all over the world and the intolerance shown by Muslims to non-Muslims in Islamic countries.You want to improve Islam’s image start by removing the terrorists and extremists within your own ranks. Then begin promoting “diversity” in the Islam world with the same vigor which Muslims promote “diversity” in the Western world. Only then will Islam begin to earn respect.

  33. Mike,
    Obviously u don’t read enough of the hadiths to come up with that understanding. In fact its probably why u have close to no understanding. U think its funny about contradictions in the Hadith? Get this fact thru ur head. EVEN AUTHENTIC HADITH are known to contradict one another and the Quran. The hadith can be used as a reference to improve one’s knowledge, but ppl like u only become more deluded because u visit poor websites. Wikipedia? Seriously? U 15 or what? If u read the Quran as well u would know that Muslims are also PROHIBITED by God in the Quran to not fight apostates unless they openly fight u first. As for the Hadith those scholars based it on that political move at the time, such as the 4 Madhabs, it wasn’t religiously based. There opinions were respected for their knowledge, but they are not free from scrutiny. Yeah, lets assume the hadith is true for a moment and Ali burns an apostate (in violation of the Quran). His second companion said he would kill them according to what Muhammad did to apostates. U read that obviously he kills whoever changes his religion but u did not bother to read under what conditions. U let your predispositions as an atheist show that u inheretently believe all religions are lame. As I quoted the hadith above it gives a better explanation of why they killed apostates. If u understood the historical context written in the Quran I wouldn’t need 2 explain it. U need to keep studying.

  34. Second,
    the Hadith between Omar and Abu Bakr was in relation to the Zakah tax. A tax compulsory on all Muslims to charity. It’s 2.5% of ur life savings annually to be given to the poor. It was not a major problem, ppl still just refused to pay taxes. It would be like saying “yeah Im still American but i refuse to pay taxes.” Srry but get this, how do u maintain social order of collecting taxes and running a government smoothly? Charge them on their credit card? Put them in jails? Pretty much all countries had harsh laws on giving taxes at that time so again why make biased assumption Muslims are the intolerant ones? U have problems understanding this is over 1400 years ago? Well yeah of course u do becuz u seem to have no actual clue as to why Muslims are “intolerant” with Israel. Hmm, maybe the massacre of 14 or so villages and being driven from ur homes? Ever wonder why the Arab countries all invade next? Of course u probably just read BBC news where u can get such detailed info That aint intolerance. That’s I don’t like being driven from my home and murdered. Do some research.

  35. By the way, Mike
    Do u know how the WTC 7 building in New York fell down? Wasn’t hit by a plane, but it burned a small fire for a while and totally collapsed. Wow, I guess my Physics teacher was wrong, fire can burn steel buildings into rubble in 10 seconds after a few hours of burning. Try finding out what really happened on 9/11. Maybe u will figure out who ur real enemy is. U r entitled to ur own opinion, just use ur head, and do the science if u believe in reasoning.
    http://fight4truth.com/911truth.htm

  36. I don’t know why the two of you throw Koran and hadiths around. It is a never ending circle of scholasticism, how many angels on a pin.

    Good post Hera. Am always astonished when people say Islam is a beacon for social justice. The locales where Islam is actually going on as a majority faith are beaconless hellholes.

    Any society which is killing its minorities and kicking its women around with impunity is not a beacon of anything except disaster.

  37. m bennet,

    moderator blocked my last post. strange? it was the hadith where the guy wouldn’t sit down to eat until they killed the jew who became a muslim and then reverted back to judism. i asked what was the historical context on that one? so what is the context of the ali killing athiests and the guys quote of muhammad, “whoever changes his islamic religion kill them”? again i don’t see any mention of treason or fighting muslims first?

    “u did not bother to read under what conditions.” how can i read what is not written? so tell me the conditions. was it during aisha’s rebeliion?

    no i’m not 15, i’m 43. but i do love wiki. this site referances it all the time.

    “but they are not free from scrutiny” well that’s good. so why did the afghans write the death penalty for apostates into their constitution? i think your fiqh is westernized, and that’s a good thing. but i think it is in the vast minority.

    “u inheretently believe all religions are lame.” tru dat. they write their “laws” so poorly.

    “If u read the Quran as well u would know that Muslims are also PROHIBITED by God in the Quran to not fight apostates unless they openly fight u first.” where’s that at? well i’ve read 5:33 which says you should crucify someone for “spreading mischief”. i think most muslims believe apostate and blasphamy are spreading mischief.

  38. Bennett, I am disappointed to see you are one of those 9/11 theorists. Fire weakens steel. Go to the website of the US association of demolition engineers. Maybe they will help you.

    Next I suppose you will say: there were no planes! bah. I thought you were smarter.

  39. 2nd,

    so muhammad died and some muslims said, we don’t want to be muslims anymore. we aren’t paying the poor-rate? and the first rightfully guided caliphate said screw that, i want my goat.

    “running a government smoothly” so your religion is also a system of governance? that’s problematic.

    “U have problems understanding this is over 1400 years ago?” lol. no i understand that. i think it is many of your 1.5 billion muslim brothers and sisters who have a hard time understanding that we don’t need to or rather shouldn’t follow examples set by a man 1400 years ago. its muslims who demand special footbaths in airports. why? your not wearing sandals and living in the desert. we have paved over most metropolitan areas. seriously you still have to wash your feet because muhammad living on the arabian pennisula said to 1400 years ago? you still stone people becasue that is the way it was done 1400 years ago. seriously “”U have problems understanding this is over 1400 years ago?” lol.

    a truther? ah that explains alot.

    “seem to have no actual clue as to why Muslims are “intolerant” with Israel” well they made the mistake of not accepting the UN proposal for a two state solution in 48. resolution 181. the eqyptians and jordanians convinced the palesinians that they would help them push the jews into the sea. i think the eqyptians were planning on taking gaza and the jordanians wanted the west bank. but unlike the battle of badr, god sent no angels and the evil jews won the war. god works in mysterious ways i guess. 67 war the jews took the sinia, they gave it back in 80 after the peace agreement with sadat. and established the current boarders, took the golan heights from syria. the shabaz farms, is that what they are called? 73 war, 82 war, sharon the butcher of beruit let a christian militia slaughter muslims in a refugee camp in lebenon. we tried to help in lebenon but some muslim blew up 230 of our marines while the slept. i guess we were fighting them first in the suicide bombers mind. reagan turned tail and ran. worst decision of his presidency.

    what i don’t get is why the palestinians continue to make the same mistake over and over again. quassum rockets and suicide bombers only give the jews cover for their embargo and occupation. dongo doesn’t care much for ghandi, but ya’ll should follow his example. non-violent movements are the way to win land in modern times. unless your the big kid on the block, like china taking tibet, you win the pr war. nelson mandela is a great man, but it was boycotts of south african goods especial gold in the western world which brought down apartied.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18276354

  40. muhammad bennet,

    you sound like rosie o’donnell. fire can’t melt steel. so you think we dig those I beams out of the ground in that shape? fire melts steel, of course the blast furnaces that we smelt steel with are much hotter than any fire would ever be. but like anon says you only have to weaken the steel. and you only have to weaking the weakest points, where the horizotal beams attach to the vertical supports. the entire beam doesn’t need to fail, just the nuts or bolts.

    i used to do data center design work. once we put two 2800lbs UPSs and four 3200lbs battery cabinets on the second floor of a class A business building. the architect said the live load rating should support it no problem. i got a somewhat paniced call from the gc telling me that our equipment is deflecting a 12inch wide flanged I-beam 5/8 of an inch. like you thought, really that beam isn’t going to give. well when we meet with a structural engineer he said we needed to immediately put a vertical support under it, he agreed the beam was not in danger of failing but the bolts could snap under the pressure. you have never had a lug-nut you couldn’t get off a tire? you put a torch on it to help lossen it. it doesn’t take a lot of heat to change the characteristics of steel. plus that alot of weight of that building pushing down.

    http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm

  41. m bennet,

    don’t see any mention of treason or fighting? just idolatry, apostaty or blashphamy. none of which should be considered criminal.

    http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/why_did_ali_burn_some_apostates___by_understanding_islam

    “not a criticism on Islam.” seriously.

  42. :D :D

  43. Thank you to Jane for protecting my honor against senseless attacks. While I was visiting Egypt in 2008, my wife and I visited a Christian church tucked in a cave in a garbage dump in Cairo. I recommend more Americans visit Egypt and see, face-to-face, the awful fear that grips the Christian community living in Egypt.

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