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Extremist Christians at Arab International Festival Seek to Provoke, Spread Hate

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Extremist Christians at Arab International Festival Seek to Provoke, Spread Hate

Reading today about the behavior of the fanatical Christian missionary zealots who showed up to provoke crowds for the fourth year in a row at an Arab Internationl Festival in Dearborn, Michigan got me thinking. What was their purpose? Why did they take such an uber-aggressive and hostile stance against festival-goers whom they perceive to be all Muslims, even though there are PLENTY of Arab Christians?

Perhaps they think they are taking up the tactic of the group of Medieval Christians who lived near Andalusia, and were so offended by the blasphemous way of life and faith of “infidel Saracens” that they would march into the city square of a Muslim governed town and loudly, for all to see: degrade Islam, Allah and the Prophet Muhammad. These medieval Christians sought to become martyrs, but more often than not were arrested and deported back to where they came from.

This explanation of the motivation of the fanatical missionaries who descended upon the Arab Festival in Michigan is too charitable. These aren’t “martyr-seekers,” they don’t even much care for converts I suspect; instead I believe they are motivated by a deep seated xenophobia and racism, just like their forebears used to angrily attack Blacks in the South, now they have set their sights on Muslims.

This should be a lesson that religion, or any ideology in the hands of fundamentalists/literalists can trend towards extremism. Followers of all faiths should be aware and take caution not to accuse others of following “the religion of violence, extremism, backwardness, hostility”, etc. Such sweeping generalizations lead to more disconnect between differing groups and deepens the gaping hole of non-understanding.

It also must be pointed out that such small subsets of fanatics and extremists must not be allowed to define a faith. These Christian missionaries are no more representative of their faith than those ultra-Orthodox Jews who attacked elderly Arabs are of Judaism, or the Mufti in Saudi Arabia who said Churches in the Arab peninsula should be destroyed is of Islam, or Buddhist Monks who led violent protests against the Dambulla Mosque are of Buddhism and I can go on and on and on.

Indeed, the practice of Jesus and his disciples as portrayed in the Gospels generally stands opposed to such conduct. I hope and pray that these fanatics reflect on what one distraught Christian commenter wrote after reading about their conduct,

A ‘Christian missionary’ by his or her very nature is to represent Christ in His mission of reconciling the world to God. We are ‘ambassadors of Christ’, entrusted with the word and ministry of reconciliation (2Cor. 5:9-20). Paul’s attitude is exemplary. While we most certainly share the gospel of Christ openly, we do so with an attitude of love and grace, “giving no cause for offense in anything, so that the ministry will not be discredited, but in everything commending ourselves as servants of God” (2 Cor. 6:2-3). Paul said, “I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some”. Paul endeavored to connect with people as much as possible in order to convey God’s word. Whoever these folks were, they were not representing Christ.–Bert Watson

Whatever may be your view of Mr. Watson’s beliefs, at least we can agree that his attitude is one which we can live with, and one which encourages dialogue and debate over aggression, violence and provocation. (h/t:BBoyBlue):

Christian Missionary Group with Pig’s Head Taunts Arab-Americans at Dearborn Festival

By Niraj Warikoo (Freep.com)

Tensions flared Friday evening at the annual Arab International Festival in Dearborn as members of some Christian missionary groups — including one called the Bible Believers — taunted Arab Americans with a pig’s head and signs that promoted hatred of Islam.

“You’re gonna burn in hell,” one missionary shouted at a group of young Arab-American boys listening to him speak on Warren Avenue, where the festival takes place.

The festival continues today in Dearborn, but the members of the Bible Believers won’t be there because they’ll be protesting a gay festival in Ohio, said Arab Festival organizers.

The three-day festival is the largest public gathering of Arab-Americans in the U.S.; it has drawn Christian missionaries for years, but in 2009, some become more aggressive, leading to arrests and legal feuds. Dearborn has the highest concentration of Arab-Americans in the U.S., many of them Muslim, making it a magnet for some Christian missionaries.

The Bible Believers also protested at last year’s Arab Festival, holding up both anti-Muslim and anti-Catholic signs and causing one Arab-American Muslim girl to cry.

About a dozen with the group stood facing the festival on Friday with signs that made bigoted remarks about Islam and its prophet, Mohammed. One of the missionaries had a pig’s head mounted on a pole that he displayed in front of his group. Muslims don’t eat pigs because their faith teaches that the animal is unclean.

Some of the signs the missionaries held read: “Islam is a religion of blood and murder” and “Muhammad (Islam’s prophet) is a … liar, false prophet, murderer, child molesting pervert.”

Wayne County sheriffs tried to keep the peace; a few times, three officers on horseback rode by, trying to keep the young Arab Americans at a distance from the Christian missionaries.

At one point, some kids started throwing water bottles and pop cans at the missionaries. Others chanted “Allah-U-Akbar” (God is the greatest). One of the Christians shouted in response “Jesus Akbar.”

At another point, three girls wearing Islamic headscarves yelled back at the missionaries: “Read the Quran,” referring to Islam’s holy book.

A Christian missionary with another group told a group of Arab-American Muslim boys that they are ”transgressing against God.” One boy then spilled some water on the missionary.

Most of the confrontations were between elderly missionaries and Arab-American kids.

Earlier in the day, a group of Christian missionaries targeted the biggest mosque in Michigan, the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, standing right outside the mosque lawn to hand out fliers during Friday prayers.

In his Friday sermon, the imam of the mosque, Hassan Al-Qazwini, warned parents that some missionaries at the Arab Festival could target their children for conversion: ”Be careful. … They could be taken (spiritually) from us.”

Other missionaries at the festival were less confrontational, handing out fliers telling Muslims to convert and handing out free Christian books.

One wore a T-shirt that read ”I (heart symbol) Muslims” while handing out fliers that urged Muslims to ”accept the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Contact Niraj Warikoo: nwarikoo@freepress.com or 313-223-4792.

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  1. And yet no one mentions the Muslims who assault Christians. Or the fact that the city of Dearborn was forced to pay over $100,000 for persecuting Christians. And if this is an Arab festival, why the hostility against Arab Christians and favoritism to Muslims?

  2. Always a spook trouble maker in the crowd.

  3. Ignorance and religious illiteracy

  4. Because they are ignorant at best…

  5. And I’d be willing to bet that, even were it widely known, there would still be hatred. President Obama and his family are Christian, and look how much hatred they are targeted with. Bigots will be bigots, facts and truth and evidence and human decency notwithstanding.

  6. Because they are not real Christians. Just bigoted, moronic Americans. Sorry if I’m being redundant, but sometimes it seems like those terms belong together. Though they shouldn’t.

  7. Yep, they were in Ohio on Saturday, at the annual Gay Pride Parade.

  8. They were so stupid to understand other religions.

  9. Big Mouths + Tiny Brains

  10. They don’t know that Chistian Arabs exist. And they don’t know Christ.

  11. If I were a Christian (god forbid;) I would be soo choked to see such a horrid lot repping my team! I mean, they’ve god a pig’s head on a pike?! Like, really? Sucks to their ass-mar!

  12. I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again: Islamophobia is mostly just anti-Arab racism packaged and sold in a modern exterior. I am not at all surprised by this, Arabs are the group that it’s still cool to hate.

  13. It sucks I couldn’t go this year, I went year before last and these groups were there and I gave them hell.

  14. Any kind of extremism is dangerous–religious, racist, financial…

  15. Maybe its because they are idiots .
    Just a thought

  16. x

  17. Just take the literature from them and then tell them to take yours, make some before hand though! ;)

  18. Moron!!

  19. Gordon- That so stupid!!

  20. that Explains how Islamopobia stays alive in the US, and how people like this are fed.

  21. yes, I know they are terrible and fear. I don’t care them. No one care.

  22. Calling you Christian means acting like one. When Jesus was saying all that stuff was he stuttering? Christians are deaf, dumb and blind. They use Christianity as umbrella to do harm around the globe since they don’t practice there faith. These idiots are nothing but unemployed trolls so it’s easy, they are also the reason why America is in the shit whole because they also vote.

  23. Calling you Christian means acting like one. When Jesus was saying all that stuff was he stuttering? Christians are deaf, dumb and blind. They use Christianity as umbrella to do harm around the globe since they don’t practice there faith. These idiots are nothing but unemployed trolls so it’s easy, they are also the reason why America is in the shit whole because they also vote.

  24. Yeah ahmed you are right ! America was build by muslims, and now its destroyed by christians, who can ALSO vote… And christians commit suicide attacks all over the world !

  25. Now i completely understand, christianity is BAD and islam is GOOD, cause theres no raping in the name of allah, no stoning, kids are not being brainwashed and taught to hate…

  26. What a religion ! religion that has hatred towards some animals rooted deep inside. What religion can hate pigs and dogs ? And kill them in the streets with clubs and stones, laughing while doing it..

  27. As a Christian, it is a desecration to Jesus teachings to behave in such a way!!! They don’t realize that they make us Christians look really bad…Also, it boils my blood when these bigots talk about Arabs and assume they’re all Muslim!!!! Arab is an ethnicity, NOT a religion ….DUH I wish people would educate themselves before spewing ignorance !!!! We live in era of smart phones and stupid people!!!!

  28. Artur, don’t choke your self with the scarf around your neck yet..there is still hope for you, here I made it easy….you asked what a religion…Herbert George Wells writes in Happiness of Mankind, Kent, 1938:
    The Islamic teachings have left great traditions for equitable and gentle
    dealings and behavior, and inspire people with nobility and tolerance.
    These are human teachings of the highest order and at the same time
    practicable. These teachings brought into existence a society in which
    hard-heartedness and collective oppression and injustice were the least as compared with all other societies preceding it …. Islam is replete with gentleness, courtesy, and fraternity.

    What you mentioned in your posts are post-colonial third world people who had been deprived of education, health, and most importantly their dignity.( so they treat pigs and dogs as they were treated by Europeans). It will take them a while to catch up with the so called “modern world”.

  29. Wells was a sci-fi writer, right ? Are you quoting sci-fi writer opinions on religion ? Thats what real man wrote : Winston Churchil 1899 :”How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

    The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

  30. so they treat pigs and dogs as they were treated by Europeans On that one may only laugh… Who do you think was selling slaves to United States ? It was African tribe rulers or arabic slavers…

  31. RL,

    Where did you find that Arab Christians were facing hostility and Muslims experiencing favouritism? Your country’s “Christian” fanatics target a festival that is not for Muslims alone but for Arab Christians too. Yet you Christian fanatics go there, target Muslims, Arab Christians and Catholic Christians alike. I think you need immediately to contact an eye specialist and a neurosurgeon.

  32. Anal Fissure,

    You quote Churchill, an all-out imperial motherfucker, right? Don’t you know when this motherfucker said these of Islam and Muslims, his fucking country had and still boasts to having the largest empire on earth where the sun never set?

    You call Islam proselytising. Well, then what should you call all your bastard missionaries worldwide? Wherever they go, their first job is to spread lies and hatred about the native people’s faith (especially if that is Islam), coax them into baptism and name them some out-of the-world names. If your bastard missionaries are so courageous, just send them to Saudi Arabia and tell them to proceed with their mission. The bastard Saudis will just fry them alive. The number of Christians is exploding like rats in the undeveloped world. Despite that you say Islam is proselytising. You should be given a Nobel Prize for lies.

    The Indian government in truly praiseworthy for its guts. In NE India, the missionaries were not only baptising the tribals but were also inciting, sheltering encouraging them to wage insurgency. But the Indian authorities almost has brought the Christian terrorists to their very knees and what is more pleasing that they kicked out all missionaries
    from that region after banning them completely.

    Dogs and pigs are unclean in Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and Sikhism. What is your rubbish about those clauses?

    And not only Muslims but Christias were very much engaged in slavery. Your “Humanist” country and presidents were also involved in slavery. Who kept up the apartheid in South Africa? Why did the British cry when Hong Kong was being returned to China? There can be no clap with just one hand, got it?

    Like you, many predicted the fall of Islam even before, a prophecy that did not happen and will not happen either. And for your information, if you have any brain at all to realise this, America was not built by Muslims. It was discovered and ravished by some Christian fatherfucken bastards who left Europe to quell their thirst for savagery and lies.

  33. H. G. Wells (1866-1946) was an English author, futurist, essayist, historian, socialist, and teacher (in literary circle) ….Dan brown writes mystery but he is a theologian. You have just proved how narrow minded you are by judging a brilliant mind, btw, writing sci-fi is work of brilliant minds who you compare to a quote from warmonger like Churchill who viewed war as a kind of entertainment — it must dazzle, it must inspire, it must showcase heroics. Clement Atlee once said, “he was always looking around for ‘finest hours,’ and if one was not immediately available, his impulse was to manufacture one.” He was so ignorant to know the science flourished in the cradle of Islam.

    You may laugh at anything, because you are proving yourself to be an ignorant jerk. The new whitewash to cover up their own heinous crimes, west is now blaming slavery back to Muslims. lmao. I know the crimes of European christians as I am Native American.

  34. Someone who fight the agressors was warmonger, now i see your point .) and your twisted logic.

  35. Slavers were Africans, there were almost no whites in Africa :) Get it right. And ye he was a socialist, and that means he was an idiot.

  36. And this is going nowhere. Someone named Samantha Chadwick, claiming she is Native American, is suggesting, that Churchill probably made up whole WWII just for his entertainment. Great logic, no wonder Native americans have almost dissapeared :/

  37. so when is the last time a european called for a return of slavery?

    http://www.arabianews.org/english/article.cfm?qid=4&sid=6

    going to a festival to protest isn’t “targeting” in any violent sense of the word. i still think most muslims don’t understand freedom of speech in america??????????

    “Dogs and pigs are unclean in Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and Sikhism. What is your rubbish about those clauses?” all appearently crazy religions. dongo, not sure why but the last time u mentioned pigs i linked a growth rate chart. moderator blocked it for some reason? pis get up to 250 lbs in like 6 months. excellent source of protein.

  38. Hey Artur Fiser: why don’t you disappear you rat dicked little muggle?

  39. Let me be the first to point out that no other ethnic pride festival receives this level of harrassment. It’s only when us Arabs throw a shindig do the racist party crashers turn out en masse to piss on our parade.

    On a positive note a couple years ago when I went to the festival, I got accosted by one of those nuts handing out pamphlets. I took one, went to the bathroom with it, and returned it to the pamphleteer with a surprise inside. Told him the pamphlet was full of shit BEFORE I had done anything to it.

  40. Zainab Jabhawiyeh,

    you were accosted by someone handing you a flyer?

    “Let me be the first to point out that no other ethnic pride festival receives this level of harrassment.” how do you know that? plus it’s not the ethnicity that they are protesting. it’s the religion of many (yes i know not all arabs are muslims) of the attendees. i think it wouuld be more akin to the protesters at gay pride parades. but again do muslims not understand freedom of speech in america?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

    M,

    what do you think of zainab’s actions?

  41. Artur is right about one thing “this is going nowhere” , because his racist and bigoted brain doesn’t let him think straight. and i called him racist because of his nasty remark about native americans.

  42. Ok, I take my words back, there is no hope for you Artur, you may chok yourself!! You are not only bigot but racist as well. and since Whites are “almost disappearing”, I see your reason why so.

  43. Well, Christians Nazis and Soviets did it until very recently. Forgot the Holocaust and forced labour in USSR? Ann “Bitch” Coulter has said “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war”? Does not that require to enslave people? During the Beslan attack, many Muslims changed their names to Orthodox ones. A Russian Colonel from Dagestan was tortured by the Russaian police. So?

    And I have told you that however impious may I be, I do not want to eat pork. I am good with cigarettes and want to smoke more cigarettes if situations permit. Even if pigs get 2 tons in 1 month, I won’t eat them. Hod on, if you advise me to eat pork, why don’t you eat humans, Mike?

  44. dongo,

    what’s up? long time no hear. despite you being ready to blog/write since your return from visiting your client in jail. you seem more willing to address r/l then me. you have hurt my feelings. your invitation to florida is still open though. actually i’m going to alaska at the end on july. might be a shorter flight for ya. you want to come habg with me an a couple of my boys? we might hit the ABC on might.

    “Well, Christians Nazis and Soviets did it until very recently. Forgot the Holocaust and forced labour in USSR?” no i haven’t forgot. but we have taken leaps and bounds since then. then again they called ww1 the war to end all wars. so who knows what the future will hold. well if you belive divine prohecy there is at least one more great battle ahead. jesus and al-mahdi against the anti christ/satan/shaitan/the head jinn? sorry if i’m mixing mythologies. so hard to keep all this straight.
    “Ann “Bitch” Coulter has said “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war”?” not a big fan of ann coulter.but i do agree with unconditional surrender is the best way to end a war. i’m sure you are familiar with the british office who said we will be fighting the germans again in 20 years after the treaty of versailles.
    “Does not that require to enslave people?” no. it requires the defeated to realize they are defeated and get on board with reconstuction. i’m sure you are familar with the marshall plan.
    “During the Beslan attack, many Muslims changed their names to Orthodox ones. A Russian Colonel from Dagestan was tortured by the Russaian police.” is that the attack on the school? “So?” i don’t follow SO? what?

    are you comparing the russian/soviet post war to american post war actions. surely you know that post ww2 germany was partitioned into 4 sections. british, french, american and soviet section. the british french and american all gave the territory back to germany. it was only the soviets that held their territory. you do remember east germany and west germany? the berlin air lift? you confuse me?

    “And I have told you that however impious may I be, I do not want to eat pork. I am good with cigarettes and want to smoke more cigarettes if situations permit.” smoke away. i don’t have any cigs right now, but i do have a dip in.
    “Even if pigs get 2 tons in 1 month, I won’t eat them.” that’s cool i know many people who don’t eat any meat.
    “Hod on, if you advise me to eat pork, why don’t you eat humans, Mike?” i’m not advising you to eat anything. i just don’t think disallowing pork consumption is a good idea. why not disallow beef consumption? as for eating humans. that’s a no brainer. i don’t want to be eaten, therfore it would be good if we all agree not to eat each other. sienfeld did a bit on cannibalism. he said i think the hardest thing about being a cannibal woud be getting a good night’s sleep. “bob is that you, you look hungry”
    seriously???????????? but there have been many cannibalist societies. you aren’t judging other cultures are you? but if my survival was at stake, a donner party type situation, i would eat human. i wouldn’t kill you to eat you. but if you died fisrt i wouldn’t let your meat go to waste.

  45. if i die first i would hope you would eat me. i’ve got some good fatty tissue around my midsection. have at it.

  46. Mike,

    Things that were done in Abu Gharib were far worse than slavery and of course, what Americans did in Iraq are equal to if not worse than slavery.

    For whom are you advising an unconditional surrender? Muslims? Or Christians? I bet none of these two in fact, no one on earth will agree. The Shittomans subjugated and persecuted Christians for centuries but Christians never gave up their freedom fights. Same thing happened in the British India but except most upper caste Hindus, none left the British sleep in peace even for a day though they very well knew that they were under the British rule.

    I don’t know about the British officer but Britain had been fighting since the Roman times. Therefore, a declaration of that type would hardly make any difference. And the Marshall Plan; see it was done to ward off the Soviets. It was not “reconstruction”.

    The east and west Germany conundrum was a brutal game, you can call it the European version of the Great Game, to show individual muscle and exercise individual power.

    I mentioned the Beslan attack regarding a comment by someone about Muslims’ brutalities. Yet, I express sympathy for the children killed. But I also express my hatred for the Russian political establishments.

    I do eat meats but not pork or dog. I eat the permitted ones only. I had a mild stroke like thing in 2007 and I am barred by one of my non-Muslim (she is a senior doctor) friends to eat too much heavy food and also smoking but I do not follow the second.

    Mike, I am a human being and do not want to eat you whether you live or die. But I guess if I die first, you would let my body go into waste. You know why? Years of smoking, alcoholism and physical toil have started to take their toll. When I was younger, my father would not give us much money for our expenses. My mom had to sell one of her kidneys to bear my educational expenses. I can’t count the nights and days I have gone without food. My body is bony and there is not much flesh either.

  47. D-go,

    “Things that were done in Abu Gharib were far worse than slavery and of course, what Americans did in Iraq are equal to if not worse than slavery.” well imprisoning someone is probably worst than slavery. but hopefully those imprisoned are guilty of something. of cousre i’m sure we have imprisoned many an innocent person throughout our history. that’s why i’m against capital punishment. again i’m sure we have killed many innocent people in iraq. what can be said? that sucks. dying is worst then slavery for sure. it could have been minimized if the iraqis had gotten behind us and worked towards builing a better iraq after we invaded. instead they chose to fight a guerilla war. we certainly over estimated their level of secualism and education. at lest grand ayatollah sistani showed some wisdom. sadr on the other hand showed his youth.

    “Marshall Plan; see it was done to ward off the Soviets. It was not “reconstruction”.” maybe so. it was still very succesful. how can you say it wasn’t reconstruction? what was it then. we reconstructed much of what we destroyed. you confuse me again.

    “For whom are you advising an unconditional surrender? Muslims? Or Christians?” neither. afghans and iraqis, much like germans and japanese after ww2. look how good they both did after getting on board with the us, knowing they were defeated. the number 2 and 3 economies for many years. of course china has displaced them now. but they are still great nations, especially considering the destruction we wrought on them in the big one.

    “to show individual muscle and exercise individual power.” how where we the french and tre the british flexing our muscles by returning territory to the germans?

    my bad it was a frog. not a limey.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Foch

    “As the treaty was being signed Foch said: “This is not peace. It is an armistice for 20 years”.”

  48. dongo,

    as for slavery, why did god not outlaw such a practice? 23 years of divine revelation and gabriel couldn’t tell muhammad, thou sahll not enslave another? or maybe tell adam, or abraham? or noah? or moses? or jesus? strange?

  49. or are u ok with slavery?

  50. Mike,

    If God has not banned it, I can’t be held liable for that. Ask an expert. But there were provisions for better treatment with and redemption of slaves. If those were not followed, you can’t blame any specific faith.

    Yes, you imposed heavy casualties on them, but you can not deny that after the big one they became your close allies to counter another former ally alongside whom you fought these two.

    Again the returning of the territories was to show muscle. What the hell are US forces doing on Okinawa?

    US and allies had and are having pretty good times in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the 2nd, they are killing civilians and also paying with their own lives and the economy as well.

  51. Mike,

    I hate slavery of any kind. But you seem to be OK with it. You are a slave indeed: of your twisted self and your distorted psyche.

  52. dongo,

    “If God has not banned it, I can’t be held liable for that.” of course not. but your god can be held liable. why worship such a god, is the question?

    “Ask an expert.” i have. they give the same excuse as you.

    “But there were provisions for better treatment with and redemption of slaves. If those were not followed, you can’t blame any specific faith.” exactly wrong. you can blame the religions. they clearly fall short of divinity. so you are saying slavery is OK? as long as it is practiced within the provisions of better treatment? seriously?

    “Yes, you imposed heavy casualties on them, but you can not deny that after the big one they became your close allies to counter another former ally alongside whom you fought these two.” i don’t deny that we where self serving in the marshall plan. it is always best to turn ememies into allies. and yes the soviets went from allies to enemies right off the bat. patton wanted to invade them well we had the men and material in the theatre.

    “Again the returning of the territories was to show muscle.” i still don’t see how that is the case. of course we have large military bases in wetern germany. why not just keep the territory and still build the bases?

    “What the hell are US forces doing on Okinawa?” projecting our military power in asia. and of course to a lesser extent fulfilling our defensive obligations to japan. given their past inperial aggression we have limited their military capacities. that’s what you get with an unconditional surrender.

    “US and allies had and are having pretty good times in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the 2nd, they are killing civilians and also paying with their own lives and the economy as well.” don’t know if i would call those good times. but your own sentence seems self contridicting “paying with their own lives and the economy as well”?

    always good to hear from ya. i’m drunk and probably going to sleep soon. but you never know. bought a pack of smokes tonight. camel lights, probably not the manly smokes you are used to. but oh well. i see ya’ll have closed the borders to the burmese refugees. no nation is without it’s faults. but one would hope god is????? have a good one.

  53. Mike,

    I am not in a position to challenge God, no one is. And I don’t give excuse, if I have shortcomings I admit it honestly, not try to prove others less wise.

    No, I don’t say slavery is OK. And I want to remind you that in Muslim history, many slaves have risen to good positions. Yes, there have been the bastard Muslims who treated slaves with utmost brutality. But there were exceptions too. Billal the first Muazzin of Islam was a slave. The Mamluk dynasty of Egypt were slaves. During the Turkish rule over India the Delhi sultanate, in Bangladesh, sultans Rukunuddin Babrak Shah, Iltutmish and Giyasuddin Balban were slaves. There is a clause in Islamic Jurisprudence that if a slave has become the ruler of yours, you must obey him. And it is also said that as far as possible, slaves should be freed because freeing them is considered as a great virtue.

    Britain ruled your country for many decades and you fought them several times. Should you go for maintaing presence on British lands like Okinawa? I guess as Britain has become the 52nd province of US, they will gladly allow you in this.

    If Japan has imperial aggression, why doesn’t US has? Of course, US has more than imperial aggression. It has got a religious and cultural aggression desires which are far more lethal than military ones as these are done in the guise of “Humanitarian” and “Promotion of culture”. You can see, fight at least protest politico-military aggression but the earlier two are very hard to combat.

    We closed our borders as the Rohingyas are already creating numerous troubles for our country. They come here, engage in crime and give us worse names abroad. We are already laden with population, poverty and crime. We have sheltered them and still sheltering them with our limited capacities but how long can we sustain? We are neither as big nor as rich as the US. Had we been, we would have no problem but at present we are in no condition to do that.

    If you are angry at God, please contact Him, have an appointment with Him and then express your rage against Him at His court. I bet you won’t be deprived of justice unlike on earth. If He sentences you to jail, I will stand for you without payment. But you may discard me if you like.

    My cigarette brand is Benson and Hedges by the way.

  54. dongo,

    good afternoon. well it’s afternoon here.
    “I am not in a position to challenge God, no one is.” we can all challenge any ideology. at least in american we are allowed to.

    “if I have shortcomings I admit it honestly” it’s not your shortcomings or mine that are the point. it’s god’s shortcoming.

    “No, I don’t say slavery is OK.” good. i wish your god was as wise as you. yeah, i remeber the first call to prayer guy was a slave. he was black too. often held up as proof of the lack of racism within islam. that and the embassary muhammad sent to the coptic king in egypt was black as well. yeah the mamalukes, a slave/warrior class that took power from their masters. i’ve played age of empires.
    “slaves should be freed because freeing them is considered as a great virtue.” and a great sin maybe forgiven.

    “If Japan has imperial aggression, why doesn’t US has?” sorry i don’t follow you? i don’t think japan has imperial aggression anymore. but they certainly did in the 19th and early 20th centuries. we had our own misguide adventure into empire. mckinley, despite being a great president made the mistake of keeping the philipinnes after the spainish american war. and dude don’t get me started with puerto rico. they need to either become a state or an independent nation. this commonwealth status is bullshit. sorry but i don’t know much about our territories in the pacific, guam etc. but if they are happy being terrotories so be it.
    “It has got a religious and cultural aggression desires which are far more lethal than military ones as these are done in the guise of “Humanitarian” and “Promotion of culture”.” are you talking about usaid, or the evangelicals like franklin graham, or even catholic charities?

    “We closed our borders” that might be a violation of your obligations under the UN treaty on human rights. better be careful. mr bennet will have your head for treason.

    dude i’m not angry at god. nothing to be angry at. but thanks for your offer of pro bono defense. i’ll need all the help i can get. my sister is a catholic and a lawyer, and i have a jewish lawyer friend. now all i need to do is find a hindu, buddist, jaini, shinto, etc. etc. maybe tomorrow i’ll go to downtown clearwater and try and find a scientologist lawyer, just in case l ron hubbard is right. wait i got a better plan. i’ll take like 200 slaves, free them one per even quater and then write manumission into my will. my feet may not yet touch the lake of fire. you’re a genius dongo. thanks for free legal advise. always good to hear from my favorite bangladeshi. but don’t let that go to your head. you’re the only bangladeshi i know.

    nothing wrong with Benson and Hedges, well other than the standard carcinogens. you have a good one boss.

  55. It tickles me to see that people exercising their right to free speech and non-violent protest draws the ire of so many.

    And yet we are ignoring, once again, the elephant in the room.

    No explanation needed (I hope).

  56. Mike,

    Anyone can challenge God but ultimately is going to end in failure rather than winning. If you are floating in shark infested waters without even your communication devices to contact the saviours, and there is none to save you, I think you may, may resort not to the US navy/airforce (in the films it is shown that even the hero/heroin is attacked by the devil, the US forces appear out of nowhere to save him/her) but to some supernatural entity.
    God has no shortcoming. It is we who don’t see the reality. Forgiveness is a virtue in all faiths. Why should it be a sin in Islam?
    From the founding of colonies on US soil, your country has been imperialist. See, you did not revolt against the British for relieving the landmass from the White settlements but only when British policy collided with the provincial masters’ interests. I will mention just one book: “The raped, the murdered and the slaughtered” by Carl Schubbe, PhD. You will know much better than me what the White settlers did to the native Americans.

    May be the USAID. But there are ample NGOs who are doing the baptism and of course in the name of humanitarian assistance.

    No, we are not obliged to go by the international laws as we have that provision which says that we can deny refuge when we feel like. And the international community knows it very well that we are an LDC who are already laden with population and crime. Can you imagine a country of just 1,44,000 sqms has a population of 160 million? Even then, we sheltered, fed and rehabilitated them. Why is not Burma pressed to take back its nationals and instead Bangladesh is pressed to sustain them?

    When you see me, I may not be impressing you. First of all, I am a Muslim. I am medium in height, have black eyes and hair which are certainly features of a south Asian Muslim and on my arrival in the US, I will be subject to racial profiling. I am not genius either. Had I been, I would be studying mathematics/computer science, which I have not been able to.

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