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FBI investigates possible arson at Missouri mosque

FBI investigates possible arson at Missouri mosque

JOPLIN, Mo. — A fire early Wednesday at the Islamic Society of Joplin’s mosque is being treated as suspicious, according to police and fire officials.

Capt. Kelly Stephens of the Jasper County Sheriff’s Department said the FBI has been called in to join the investigation, and that tapes from security cameras on the property are being reviewed by authorities. Stephens said footage from the tapes is helping direct leads. He would not say what the tapes revealed.

Stephens said the department may release more information about the case today.

Carl Junction fire Chief Bill Dunn said a passer-by noticed the fire at the mosque at 1302 S. Black Cat Road, and his department got the call at 3:37 a.m.

“There was a fire on the edge of the roof,” Dunn said. “It burned some shingles, probably an area there 4 feet by 6 feet.” The fire did not burn through the roof, he said. “If no one had seen it, I am almost certain the fire would have gone ahead and burned,” Dunn said.

Dunn said that after the fire was out, he and others took a look at the roof. “We noticed a bunch of what looked like paper up there,” he said. “Somebody lit them and threw them up there.”

Rob Sterner, with the Missouri Division of Fire Safety, also was called in.

Stephens said investigators had finished processing the scene Wednesday afternoon and that evidence was being sent off for testing.

“All the credit goes to the good Samaritan who called the fire department,” said Asadullah Ahmed, a member of the mosque. “We are very fortunate.”

Iftikhar Ali, president of the Islamic Society of Joplin, said he was at the property until about midnight Tuesday. He said his family and other community members were lighting fireworks. “We were having fun and celebrating Independence Day,” Ali said.

He said he received a phone call around 4 a.m. about the fire, and he arrived shortly afterward to find the building surrounded by police cars and firetrucks.

Although the fire is being treated as suspicious, Ali was not discouraged. “There are good and bad people everywhere,” he said. “There’s still no change in our feelings. Still America. We enjoy life here.”

Ali said the center often holds interfaith services and meetings with churches and synagogues. “Ignorance is the main factor with these incidents,” Ahmed said. “It increases our resolve to educate more people about what we practice, what our belief system is, so hopefully this will bring more awareness to our community.”

This is the second suspicious fire at the mosque since it opened in 2007. In 2008, the FBI took over an investigation into the torching of the sign for the mosque. That crime was never solved.

Joplin Globe, 4 July 2012

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  1. I’m glad nothing more serious happened. It’s a good thing most bigots are stupid….lol

  2. May the police catch whoever did this. May the Muslim community rebuild. This is a place of worship we’re talking about. They are not sacrificing animals or harming sentient life, but meditating and establishing connection with the Almighty. America’s freedom of religion is one of the reasons this country is respected. If one wishes the same for one’s self, it would behoove those who would condone such actions to not forget that.

  3. Hope they catch who did it! As a Catholic, i hate to see any place of worship destroyed. Acceptance of others is very important!

  4. Of course it’s suspicious. How many times have we found out the “hate crime” was electrical…or even caused by a Muslim just to get sympathy from CAIR?

  5. I suspect: the fireworks or a recent convert who just got out of Chattahoochee or some other mental hospital.

  6. Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) — A shot rings out, but the burqa-clad woman sitting on the rocky ground does not respond.
    The man pointing a rifle at her from a few feet away lets loose another round, but still there is no reaction.
    He fires a third shot, and finally the woman slumps backwards.
    But the man fires another shot.
    And another. And another.
    Nine shots in all.
    Around him, dozens of men on a hillside cheer: “God is great!”

    Religous freedom? Really? You want this going on in our country? Where is the outrage?

  7. Love Them Moonbats,

    Absolutely! Because a group of men in Afghanistan represent a whole religion. How stupid!

  8. WARNING; NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARTICLE

    nill,

    your contenient of peace and brotherhood seems not so peaceful.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18762829

    “Human Rights Watch says about 1,000 people were killed in communal clashes around Jos during 2010.”

  9. dislike :(

  10. Mike not to sound insensitive but..only!!!(well it is insensitive)…compared to tens of thousands killed in burma,iraq,iran,palastine,afghanistan,uzbekistan,pakistan,african continent,kashmir,india…not forgetin europe n us as well..i’d say large scale genoside n attack…in comparison..wait there isnt!!!

  11. Hate them ol u want violence is NOT one sided!!! Preach hate n expecting love!! Now thats wow..insane on the face of it,,,stop the hate,try embracin tolerance n peace..wait..r u capable??? Any fool can hate..takes real courage to be patient n open minded..

  12. Every Sunday in Nigeria now.

  13. “Mike not to sound insensitive but..only!!!” sorry don’t follow your point? not sure what your “only” is referancing?

    “(well it is insensitive)…compared to tens of thousands killed in burma,iraq,iran,palastine,afghanistan,uzbekistan,pakistan,african continent,kashmir,india…not forgetin europe n us as well..i’d say large scale genoside n attack…in comparison..wait there isnt!!!” again, sorry i don’t follow?

    “hate them ol u want violence is NOT one sided!!!” i don’t hate anyone. i’m not the one calling people idiots or sewer rats.
    “Preach hate n expecting love!!” sounds like the koran.
    “Now thats wow..insane on the face of it,,,” so lashing people is what? on the face of it????????????
    “stop the hate,try embracin tolerance n peace..wait..r u capable???” i don’t call for stoning anyone. are you capable of breaking away from your ancient brutal text?
    “Any fool can hate..takes real courage to be patient n open minded..” no doubt. so are you open minded to the possibolity that the koran is not perfection? perhaps muhammad is not a prophet? perhaps there is no god?

    so do you still stick by your claim that africans all get along?

  14. U act so ignorant..but u r even in the real sense.
    N yes am willing to accept that the above are ur beliefs,ur life!! Not shoving religion down ur aethist throat..
    Now I believe in quran as the only perfect holy book,mohammad(s.a.w) as the last prophet n allah(s.w.t)..my beliefs!! Can u broaden ur mind n accept that???!!!

    As for ALL africans getin along,never said that dude!!! We got our share of frictions,its not like us or wherever ur from is a freakin eutopia!! Can u accept that too???

  15. Fucky Whore,

    You again? Fantastic. Perhaps the alleged was fucking you like nothing, anything and everything using abrasion paper as condom and gunpowder as lubricant which helped you know that the perpetrator was a Muslim indeed.

    Or it was a naked Muslim that entered two firecrackers into your cunt and pussy and then ignited it; and you came to know seeing the naked man’s circumcised penis that the man was a Muslim.

    Everytime you deliver such crap, I will fuck you more.

  16. Moonbat,

    What about the Panjwaii massacre? What about the civilians dying in Pak-Afghan borders? Or the Abu Gharaib prison tortures? Linndie England was pregnant while doing the tortures and enjoying her twisted and sick sexual pleasures with her team, in particular Charles Graner.

    So?

  17. alluh akbar

    “The woman was accused of adultery. After she was killed, male villagers cheered.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57468298/video-shows-afghan-woman-executed-by-taliban-treatment-of-women-continues-to-erode/

    how dare these donors try to impose their culture on others. death is the penalty for adultry by GOD’S command. read your hadiths you western pigs.

    Volume 8, Book 82, Number 810:

    Narrated Jabir:

    A man from the tribe of Aslam came to the Prophet and confessed that he had committed an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet turned his face away from him till the man bore witness against himself four times. The Prophet said to him, “Are you mad?” He said “No.” He said, “Are you married?” He said, “Yes.” Then the Prophet ordered that he be stoned to death, and he was stoned to death at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but he was caught and was stoned till he died. The Prophet spoke well of him and offered his funeral prayer.

    yeah nothing wrong with islam. lol.

  18. There was a stoning video, a young Afghan couple had eloped and been coaxed back by lying parents with promises of forgiveness. First they lied to their children and then gave them up to be stoned to show their respect for the tribe and to repair their honor.

    They stoned the girl in a blue burka first. When the stones troubled her, she attempted to rise, her headdress soaked in blood. The boy died quickly.

    Also vid of a young lady being whipped for running off because she didn’t want to get married to her arranged intended. Standing in a circle of men, wrapped up like a package, one eye looking at the camera. Whip thumping monotonously.

    Good afternoon entertainments and moral enlightenment in the boonies of Afghan. Wow! What honor! Love that justice!

    A dinosaur rises from a tar pit and roars aaaaaargh! It is I, the old time religion, back again with all my claws and teeth.

  19. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8287154/Shocking-footage-emerges-of-Taliban-stoning-couple-to-death.html

    mr. bennet,

    you muslims have managed to do it. despite my lethargic nature. this makes me angry. might incite me to action, i doubt it, too lazy. your religion is crazy. your prophet is an asshole. fuck you. and your “god”! take that to the authorities.

    now that’s funny. well maybe not so for the people being stoned. seriously. this is what you believe as divine revelation?????????????????

    Book 017, Number 4194:

    ‘Abdullah b. ‘Abbas reported that ‘Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah’s Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

    clearly muhammad was a bastard. fuck him.

  20. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/world/asia/17stoning.html

    “Taliban have imposed their harsh version of Shariah law for social crimes,” isn’t all sharia harsh? just checkout muhammad’s version.

    nill,

    your prophet preaches love? but stones people to death. you have a twisted idea of love??????????????

    “Hate them ol u want violence is NOT one sided!!! Preach hate n expecting love!! Now thats wow..insane on the face of it,,,stop the hate,try embracin tolerance n peace..” you certainly can’t mean islam is tolerant and peaceful?????????? that muhammad was either???????????

    Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:

    Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:

    A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah’s Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. “What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?” They replied, “Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said, “O Allah’s Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah.” The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, “Lift up your hand.” Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah’s Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn ‘Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

  21. Mike,

    We have never called Judaic and Christian Prophets as that thing. Why are you insulting our Prophet?

    I request you not to do this again.

    Jews call Jesus (PBUH) as that thing. They also insulted Virgin Mary. We have high respect for Jesus and His Mother Both.

    The stoning provision is mention is mentioned int the Old Testament. Prophet Moses (PBUH) ordered the elimiantion of the enemies of Children of Israel. Will you call Him as that thing you called our Prophet?

    Well, US presidents have often ordered to invade other countries for their nation’s own vile means. American people have no problem, despite some protests by dissenters, in endorsing those grave injustices. Will you fuck them all or do you have the courage and energy to do that? So far s I can understand, you have neither. Because, if you go to fuck them all, you will either become impotent and infected with AIDS or other STDs. US has high rates of HIV/other STD infection, remember that.

  22. Mike, (I will try to sound like you in return)
    U prove urself from your own ignorant hatred comments that u are indeed the one and only bastard, and even more fucked up. U have repeadtedly posted Hadith out of context to fuel hate as well. What you don’t bother to look at is the deatails of the Hadiths in context. No one, not Muslim, Jew, or Christian was stoned to death without witnesses who could testify to their crimes. Lol, you obviously also didn’t realize that only a handful of ppl were executed for adultery, ALL SELF CONFESSIONS. The Jews were punished by their own laws. I don’t hear you talking about how stupid they were for confessing.
    Barbaric laws? If you are American, you are barbaric by nature. Look at how you quote the Taliban. The Taliban don’t kill ppl according to the Shariah law. This is nothing but a lie you got from your hate websites. The Shariah law is based on the Quran, which requires 4 witnesses. 4 witnesses to punish someone…seems like justice? Well than you are probably jumping up and down like an animal crying ooh oooh the crime doesn’t fit the punishment! am I right?
    Your country tortures ppl in Guantanamo without trial or evidence of crimes, and they still continue to do it. But being the hypocrite that you are, you only rant about what other terrorists do but forget you are one as well. You associate the Taliban with all Muslims? Well than I associate you with Hitler and Stalin, you fucking atheist.

    Happy? Hope so, cuz this is what you sound like to everyone else.

  23. M Bennett,

    You have enlightened me with your recent post above. But I beg to add more to yours.

    Mike alleges he is an atheist. He is a liar and also has a hateful mind. You say he quotes Haadis out of context and you are very right. Well, if he in an atheist indeed, why is he after Islam and Muslims alone. He also alleged to be a simpleton. Does his writing indicate that he is so? No, no way. Rather he proves himself to be a dirty sewer rat which I called him earlier and I still stand by my epithet to him.

    He once asked me how I would feel if he would call me a liar. Now you can see who is the liar, which is Mike of course. He called our Prophet a nasty thing. Does that mean he is an atheist? No. If he proposes to insult our Prophet, I won’t stop him by violent means. But I will just ask him to react violently with proponents of other faiths who have been known to be involved in violence far surpassing Islam and Muslims.

  24. Yes, Mike, why are you insulting the Prophet? It is not his fault or the book’s fault, it is people’s fault.

  25. csbsf,

    “We have never called Judaic and Christian Prophets as that thing.” guess you missed my fuck christ post. but regardless, clearly abraham, noah, moses are equal in their bastardness to muhammad. jesus seemed a little more laid back and not prone to the violence of the others. ironically he maybe the only one who is technically a bastard. lol.

    “Why are you insulting our Prophet?” did you not watch the video? this is his legacy. you and mb may take great joy in seeing “justice” done. but to my weak western sensibilities this is a travesty. your religion’s laws are crazy.

    “The stoning provision is mention is mentioned int the Old Testament.” yeah the old testement is equally crazy. moses was a bastard. but not a good enough bastard for your bastard god. wasn’t allowed into the promised land because he struck the rock twice.

    dongo, so who is claiming american foriegn policy is divinely guided? the comparison makes no sense. par for the course, though. deflection, you forgot to bring up the crusades. lol.

    so you are in favor of rajm? sorry “The Divine Verse of the Rajam”. well let’s review. the old testement says to stone people. but jesus said, “let he who is without sin, cast the first stone” (or is that one of the false verses in the bible according islam) arborgating stoning, but muhammad brought it back. your prophets aren’t even on the same page. go figure.

  26. bennet,

    jesus fucking christ. not the majic number 4 again! really. your explaination is as weak as ever.

    “Well than you are probably jumping up and down like an animal crying ooh oooh the crime doesn’t fit the punishment! am I right?” kinda of i’m sitting down like the animal i am, on my ass. well on my ass in a chair. but in my mind i am jumpimg up and down. you are nothing if not persistant and consistant. of course death doesn’t fit the crime, first because it not a crime at all. and second even if you want to say it is detrimental to the community at large, it in no way would rise to the level of capital punishment. do you UNDERSTAND! no you will never understand, because to do so would mean that you would have to disagree with your prophet. so instead you have to manufacture caveats and loopholes to make it sound like he wasn’t a brutal bastard.

    “you obviously also didn’t realize that only a handful of ppl were executed for adultery,” how do you know that? but regardless one is too many.

    “which requires 4 witnesses. 4 witnesses to punish someone…seems like justice?” NO. the burden of prove is not the problem. the brutal execution is the problem. UNDERSTAND?

    “ALL SELF CONFESSIONS” not true. you seem to be the one who has a problem with the details. note the pregnancy clause. dude, the jews are trying not to be stoned. where is their confession?

    “No one, not Muslim, Jew, or Christian was stoned to death without witnesses who could testify to their crimes.” but they where all confessions, why do you need witnesses? so if the taliban have witnesses or the couple confessed, then why are they not following shariah? your self-contridictions are truely abrahamic in nature and biblical in scope. lmfao

    “This is nothing but a lie you got from your hate websites.” the new york times, cnn.

    “Barbaric laws? If you are American, you are barbaric by nature” ok, you crack me up. i’m of german descent too. so if you agree with margret thatcher there is something in my blood that makes me a warmonger as well. but i try my best to keep my hun in check.

    so now we have replaced the crusades with gitmo. ok. lmao, again.

  27. csbsf,

    “You say he quotes Haadis out of context and you are very right.” aren’t hadiths their own context? what context is needed to know that they are stoning people?

    how have i lied?

    “let the responsibility of his suckling be upon me. She was then stoned to death.”
    “he commanded and she was stoned to death.”
    “When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judg- ment about him and he wis stoned.”
    “We attacked him with bones, with clods and pebbles. He ran away and we ran after him until he came upon the ston ground (al-Harra) and stopped there and we stoned him with heavy stones of the Harra until he became motionless (lie died).”
    “Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah’s Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.”

    clearly mr bennet is the liar. “only a handful of ppl were executed for adultery” how would he have such knowledge? how can you claim to know all that happened 1400 years ago, or even 200 years ago? the four “rightly guided caliphates” stoned people. so when the muslim empire spread from andalusia to afghanistan under the umayyad caliphate rajm was never carried out. shit muhammad stones two people in three days in the one hadith. two at a time with the jews. that’s four right there.

    chalk up 2 more thanks to the “students”.

    http://www.faithinallah.org/sahih-muslim-book-17-criminal-punishments-hudud/

  28. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

    1.ModernSoraya Manutchehri, 1986, stoned to death in Iran after unconfirmed accusations of adultery
    2.Mahboubeh M. And Abbas H,at Behest-e Zahra cemetery, southern Teheran, Iran, 2006.The public was not invited to the stoning, and the incident was not reported to the media, however it was spread by word to mouth to a journalist and womans rights activist. The activist gathered information and further exposed the happening to the world. In response to this, several womans rights activists, Lawyers and members of the Networks of Voulenteers went on to form the Stop Stoning Forever campaign to stop stoning in Iran.
    3.Du’a Khalil Aswad, 2007, a 17-year-old stoned to death in Iraq
    4.Jafar Kiani, in Agche – kand, a small village near Takestan, Iran, 2007.
    5.Sara Jaffar Nimat, aged 11, in the town of Khanaqin, Iraqi Kurdistan, 2007. She had been hit by bricks and stones, and burnt.
    6.Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, aged 13 in Kismayo, Somalia, 2008.
    Shano and Daulat Khan Malikdeenkhe, in Khwezai – Baezai area, Pakistan, 2008
    7.Vali Azad, 30, in Gilan province, Iran, 2009.
    8.Murray Seidman, 2011, a 70 year old senior in Philadelphia, stoned to death by 28 year old John Thomas after allegedly making sexual advances towards the younger man. Thomas’ defence is that he did it because The Bible says to kill homosexuals.

  29. nill,

    looks like those jews at the UN might be right?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18785895

    mb,

    “You associate the Taliban with all Muslims?” no. put i do associate muhammad with all muslims. doesn’t that make sense. and some of the examples he set are less then divine to say the least. open your mind. let go of the sunnah. become a koran only muslim. then we can work on 4:11 and the opening of the 24th surah. baby steps to reason.

  30. According to Muslims like Dongo, the destruction of ancient mosques in Mali by Muslims is no big deal.

  31. Mike,

    Poor performance to justify your own shallowness. Even if you said Judaic and Christian Prophets were that nasty thing, the more you said of our Prophet. I don’t know what you mean me by calling me csbsf. Hence if it is something abusive, please elaborate. I won’t mind because I have swallowed more verbal and physical abuse than I have swallowed food. Your abuse won’t bother me.

    If the crime is so disgusting, I believe the punishment should be the same. Justice deserved, justice provided. I personally do not support death penalty or stoning for adultery, but what can I do about the scriptures? Will you, a fucking liar and so-called atheist, dare change them? Before you can do that in your wildest nightmares, you will be leaving the earth with your skin being used to make shoes and those shoes will be slapped onto your dirty face and stinking corpse.

    And if US foreing policy is not a divine writ, why do your bastard leaders and self-proclaimed “scholars”, “analysts”, “(hate) preachers” say that the war is between Good and Evil? Bush said the war on terror was a new crusade. He retracted his comment later. He (or probably Blair) added that he was asked by God to invade Iraq. Rick Santorum said “Equality doesn’t come from Islam but from ‘God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. He called for a long war to eradicate Islam. Blair after killing many thousands has become a devout Christian. How sad! He should have become an American Christian. However, being a British Christian is not bad for killing people though.

    You can’t associate Prophet Muhammad/Jesus/Moses with any Muslim. Because they are Prophets and we are normal humans. However best we try we can never be equal to them.

    Neither M Bennett or me is the liar. That title fits to you 100%.

  32. My Fucky Whore,

    Why are you howling dear? Hasn’t your menstrual heat cooled? Or do you need Muslim packs of dogs to cool you down? Anyway, I have chosen you as my hellbitch.

    I never said that the destruction of mosques in Mali was not a big deal. I hate destruction of any holy and historic place. But you did not pay any attention to that.

    A bitch like you will always be a bitch. And will therefore be fucked by me or my ilk always, you cheap fatherfucken whore.

  33. Dongo, you Muslim fascists are the bitches. You blow up mosques and then cry “Islamophobia.” As usual, CAIR will blame the Jews.

  34. My fucky Whore,

    I have told you that I am a man. Therefore I can’t be a bitch. Same is true for other Muslims. But hold on; Muslims can’t be fascists because fascism is a Christian Idea.

    Has anyone blamed other than Muslim for blowing up mosques in Mali? No. Has CAIR blamed Jews or Christians for destroying mosques there? No. You can see that many Jews and Christians in fact support mosques in many countries. Many have even been involved in building mosques. The floating mosque of Morocco was built by a French Christian architect. Our parliament building (which includes a mosques) was planned and built by the famous Estonian Jewish architect Louis Isidore Kahn. Are these two enough to shut your pussy and cunt up?

    If not, I am ready to enter my fat dick along with my big hairy balls into your mouth, pussy and cunt and fuck you until the last judgement day when God will kick me into hell for eternity. I will also thrust you so deep that you will feel how hot and spicy my sperm is and be sure, that will definitely blow you up aside from indundating. I will not leave you free even after ejaculation, rather stuck onto you.

  35. I find it funny that Muslims like Dongo are obsessed with gay sex because in many Muslim countries, homosexuality is punishable by death.

  36. crazy suicidal bangladhesi saving face,

    “Poor performance to justify your own shallowness.” i know, my shallowness is deep. go figure.
    “Even if you said Judaic and Christian Prophets were that nasty thing, the more you said of our Prophet.” ok
    “I don’t know what you mean me by calling me csbsf. Hence if it is something abusive, please elaborate. I won’t mind because I have swallowed more verbal and physical abuse than I have swallowed food. Your abuse won’t bother me.” it’s a term of endearment. c above. i love ya man. sorry to heard all the abuse you have taken. but hey it’s a mixed up shook up world. especially on the sub-contenient. sorry to hear that. i was raised in a loving middle class environment in america. never abused.

    “If the crime is so disgusting, I believe the punishment should be the same. Justice deserved, justice provided.” so concenting adults having sex is disgusting?
    “I personally do not support death penalty or stoning for adultery,” well that’s good.
    “but what can I do about the scriptures?” AIP abandon in place. walk away from them. don’t follow them. don’t call them sacred, divine.
    “Will you, a fucking liar and so-called atheist, dare change them?” still not sure how i’m a liar but yes….absofuckingluttly.
    “Before you can do that in your wildest nightmares, you will be leaving the earth with your skin being used to make shoes and those shoes will be slapped onto your dirty face and stinking corpse.” i thought it was only a big insult to arabs to be slapped in the face with a shoe. does that transcribe all islamic cultures?

    “And if US foreing policy is not a divine writ, why do your bastard leaders and self-proclaimed “scholars”, “analysts”, “(hate) preachers” say that the war is between Good and Evil?” to rally the troops. good vs evil is as old as genesis itself. from paradise lost to star wars it is a theme within the human psyche. so is muhammad a “self-proclaimed prophet”.
    “Bush said the war on terror was a new crusade.” dumbest thing he ever said. and the list is long.
    “He retracted his comment later. He (or probably Blair) added that he was asked by God to invade Iraq.” didn’t blair convert to catholicism? his sister to islam. clearly something lacking in their upbringing.
    “Rick Santorum said “Equality doesn’t come from Islam but from ‘God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. He called for a long war to eradicate Islam. Blair after killing many thousands has become a devout Christian. How sad! He should have become an American Christian. However, being a British Christian is not bad for killing people though.” what about the god of esau? Santorum is an idiot. dude believe what you want. but your deflection is pointless.

    “You can’t associate Prophet Muhammad/Jesus/Moses with any Muslim.” WHAT, so muslims don’t follow the example of muhammad? so christians shouldn’t be associated with christ?
    “Because they are Prophets and we are normal humans. However best we try we can never be equal to them.” fuck that. you can be superior to the stone throwing muhammad. “self-proclaimed prophet”.don’t kill people by stoning. you are already superior to muhammad. “I personally do not support death penalty or stoning for adultery”. see you are already better than muhammad.

    “Neither M Bennett or me is the liar. That title fits to you 100%.” no i’m pretty sure m bennet is lying with his “only a handfull people where stoned” and “ALL CONFESSIONS”. AND AGAIN WHERE HAVE I LIED?

    but you can keep throwing stones in your glass house…..lmfao

  37. nill,

    “As for ALL africans getin along,never said that dude!!!”
    sorry i was paraphrasing, when i said you said all africans get along. here is what you said.
    ““Am frm an african country myself..nothing like this happends!!!”
    “We av leaved peacefully.amongst each other for the majority of time.”

    “U act so ignorant..but u r even in the real sense.
    N yes am willing to accept that the above are ur beliefs,ur life!! Not shoving religion down ur aethist throat..
    Now I believe in quran as the only perfect holy book,mohammad(s.a.w) as the last prophet n allah(s.w.t)..my beliefs!! Can u broaden ur mind n accept that???!!!” well if you stop stoning people it might help. or if your prophet had never stoned anyone, that would help. or 4:11, or 8:12 or 9:5 or the story of the “green one” killing that kid or….etc. etc. so you say the koran is perfect? so you are in favor of torture? see 24th surah.

    “As for ALL africans getin along,never said that dude!!! We got our share of frictions,its not like us or wherever ur from is a freakin eutopia!! Can u accept that too???” lol. yeah i can accept that. i’m from florida, you know what they say, all the nuts roll south.

    so if the koran is perfection, why didn’t god make slavery haram? guess, it’s ok to take slaves? what do you think?

    “P.s thanx odongo,u r the voice of reason we need..” you want to stand by this statement? you know given his fat dick dirty balls comment. or the shoving a 360degree mace up a vagina and anus, comment. don’t get me wrong i think dongo is very intelligent. and his comments don’t bother me, but i’m a atheist. didn’t think a muslim would find such comments a “the voice of reason”????????

    so what country are u in?

  38. nill,

    have you read these books??????

    http://www.jaindharmonline.com/litera/jainlit1.htm

  39. these?????????????

    http://www.sikhnet.com/news/books-sikh-gurus-english-punjabi-and-hindi-released-online

    books of the hindus? dianetics? david hawkins? applied kinesiology? buddist texts? shinto?

    i don’t practice santaria, i ain’t got no crystal ball……

    “Can u broaden ur mind n accept that???!!!” lol. so can you broaden your mind? i broaden my mind when reason allows for it. not ancient non-sense. not a guy talking to an angel for 23 years. not for an angel who is scared of dogs. not for jinn. not for two races of “giants” living on the arabian peninsula destroyted by god for not bowing down to him. you speak of openmindedness, yet you claim to know “the truth”. your concepts are diametricaly opposed. you say “Now I believe in quran as the only perfect holy book,mohammad(s.a.w)” so why do you believe that? have you read all other “holy books”? i doubt it. here i have some reading for ya. joseph cambpell’s the power of myth. don’t worry he’s not an atheist. he finds great joy in the mythologies of the world. but don’t you find it funny that you claim to “know” yet you ask if others are open minded.

    and muslims love the word hypocrate. lol………………

    mooo…….moooooooo

  40. Mike,

    I am neither crazy nor suicidal. I wanted to give my own life for the sake of good, not for my own vile means.

    I know the books don’t permit consenting adults for having extramarital sex. Why should anyone have extramarital sex? Is it a good practice? Had I got the power, I would first stone my own father to death because he has several times been caught red handed while having extramarital sex with maids though my mother was and is still alive. But see his audacity; not only he justified his dirty acts but also brutally tortured my mother for protesting those. I proudly call myself as my “Mother’s son”, not my father’s.

    No, I have no wish or plan to. If you have, you can. Though I am not religious, I won’t violate the religious edicts nor should I dishonour them by any means.

    Of course you are a dirty fucking liar by all means. Do you need a certificate? If so, go to a notary public.
    It has been a grave insult in many countries including the subcontinent. Or how would you feel if in USA or in the West would slap you with shoes in public or say in private? Would you feel honoured like having won the Nobel Prize?

    May be pointless; but what would you do when Western leaders continue to barl that Western civilisation is superior to Islamic one, and the West is comprised of the so-called Judeo-Christian values to which Islamic ones are nothing more than a set of barbaric rituals? Even the high birth rate of Muslims is termed as a sign of the coming of the Antichrist as in Bible it is said he would have great numbers of followers. The Muslim Messiah or Mahdi would be the Antichrist? What about these, Mike?

    Yes, you got me wrong again. I mean association in the sense that we can no way be equal to Them. This is true for Christians who can no way be equal to Jesus (PBUH) and Jews can’t be equal to Moses (PBUH).

    No, I am not. And I can’t be. You may continue your howling and abusing all your life, but that will barely change the reality. If you have so much courage, then Mr. Alexander the Great/Julius Caesar/Attila/Genghis Khan, please go to any church congregation, have adultery in front of the gathering, and continue to shout that you are greater, better and nobler than Jesus. I fear you won’t be having a good time.

    I have another suggestion for you. If you say I am better than my Prophet, I tell you that I can never perform the deeds he did. I can’t forgive people (just like I will never forgive my father and his relatives), I can’t be having patience, or I wouldn’t be able to have communication with the Almighty. People won’t follow me and eat me alive instead. I can’t raise dead people from grave or talk to the Almighty (Like Jesus did). Understand? All prophets followed the Almighty’s instructions. So, if you want to condemn them, you do it in front of the followers, not on a blog. Now you may accuse me why I am also writing aggressive things. Believe me, I have no problem in doing and telling these publicly. Because, when I do or write things, I keep my abilities in my mind and never go half a nanometer from that.

    Of course you have lied and you continue to, Mike. When you question where you have lied, that is the biggest lie.

    I live in a house built by cement and bricks. Sorry, I won’t be affected by your stone throwing.

  41. Fucky Whore,

    No, I am not a gay. Since we were a troubled family, I did not have the luxury to have the company of women. I had no girlfriend either. Therefore, I had no chance to have sex with women.

    But I am a grave sinner. When I was a novice lawyer, a poor man and his daughter came to me urging to stand for the man’s helpless son who was really innocent. They could not afford to pay high and I was the least costly lawyer availabel; when I came to know about their payment inability, I refused to stand for him. They requested me, but I showed no mercy. Ultimately, the man was convicted for 20 years in prison; his life ruined, properties gone, family shattered and came straight down on the streets. I believe all this was my fault and I must be the hellbound hellhound for this.

    Yet, I earn now enough money to buy and fuck bitches like you for eternity. The sin mentioned earlier is sufficient to erase all my good deeds and I am confident that fucking bitches like you won’t really matter in increasing my load of sins.

  42. csbsf,

    “Is it a good practice?” no it’s not. but it also doesn’t rise anywhere near the level of a “crime” that deserves the death penalty.

    “Of course you are a dirty fucking liar by all means. Do you need a certificate?” don’t need one, but a certificate would be nice.

    the antichrist????????? you kill me dude.

    “Though I am not religious, I won’t violate the religious edicts nor should I dishonour them by any means.” sounds religious to me.

    hey do what i’m going to do. grab up some slaves then free them. the hell’s fire will be quenched. you could go to palesitne and take some jews as slaves, and fight for the cause of allah. your sins will be forgiven. come on you’re a lawyer. you should know these loopholes.

    might not work though. guess i’ll see ya in hell. i’ll buy you some ice cream.

  43. “Of course you have lied and you continue to, Mike. When you question where you have lied, that is the biggest lie.” how is that a lie? is that what passes for a strong arguement in bangladeshi court? dude don’t worry yourself about the guy you didn’t represent. he many have been better off. could have got 50 years with you making such a case. or could have been stoned to death.

    you say you are against stoning, but that you would stone your father. your logic is lacking.

  44. Muke,

    If that is not tantamount to a crime subject to be stoned to death, will anyone, if catches you having extramarital sex with his/her spouse, award you a presidential gold/diamond medal?

    My father is a nasty creature. He has several times been caught committing that crime. He has no shame yet. I have given my choice about him. What about his brutal torture on my mother? Once he began to beat my mother with sticks for protesting those shits, he would not stop until mother fainted. What do you suggest?

    That person would not be stoned to death because he was falsely convicted of forging documents, a crime he never committed. After his everything was damaged and he faded into oblivion, only then were the real criminals caught; but it was too late. I don’t know what happened to his poor father, sister, family, how they are and whether they are still alive or not. Why doesn’t anyone condemn me to hell right now for this crime? I wish someone does. Trust me, everytime when I go to sleep, this event haunts me like a horror movie.

    You want evidence? Well, when you ask where you have distorted my/others’ posts, is not that enough? I wrote “In Russia, Islam is older that Orthodox Christianity.” You omitted “In Russia” and quoted me as if I said Islam is older that Orthodox Christianity. Does that suffice?

    I am not religious but try to respect all faiths. In fact, legal systems do not disrespect/discard religions. In secular (!?) India, when anyone has to testify at courts, s/he has to put hand on the respective scriptures and take oath about telling the truth, not the opposite. In USA, every congressman even the president has to take oath on the Bible. King or queen of England is the head of the Church of England.

    So then?

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