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French summer camp workers sacked over Ramadan fast

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The French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) described the town's actions as "an attack on religious freedom" (AFP, Remy Gabalda)

The French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) described the town’s actions as “an attack on religious freedom” (AFP, Remy Gabalda)

By Pauline Froissart

PARIS — Tensions between French authorities and the country’s Islamic community resurfaced on Tuesday after it emerged that four summer camp instructors had been sacked for fasting during Ramadan.

In a row that echoed last year’s controversy over a law banning women from wearing full veils on French territory, Muslim leaders denounced a Communist-run town council’s dismissal of the workers on health and safety grounds.

The four had been employed temporarily by the town of Genevilliers in the Paris suburbs to help run a summer holiday sports camp in southwestern France.

They were dismissed on July 20, the first day of Ramadan, after an inspector visited the camp and told them they were endangering children’s safety by not eating or drinking between dawn and dusk.

Although they were fully paid for the week they had remaining on their short-term contracts, the instructors plan to contest their dismissal through labour courts.

The French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) described the town’s actions as “an attack on religious freedom” and said it was considering pressing charges against Genevilliers council for discrimination.

CFCM President Mohammed Moussaoui added: “Hundreds of millions of people fast for Ramadan every year without it having any impact on their professional activities.”

Genevilliers Mayor Jacques Bourgoin defended the decision to remove the four employees from the camp, a stance which won strong backing from the far-right National Front.

“They did not respect the terms of their contract in a way that could have endangered the physical safety of the children they were responsible for,” said a statement issued by the mayor’s office.

“This lack of nourishment and hydration could have resulted in these employees not being in full possession of the means required to ensure that activities at the camp were correctly and safely run, as well as the physical safety of the children in their charge.”

Nicole Varet, an aide to the mayor, said the decision to dismiss the four employees had been influenced by an incident three years ago in which a fasting camp worker had been taken ill while driving, resulting in an accident in which a child was seriously injured.

But the four sacked workers believe the safety argument is a smokescreen for anti-Muslim prejudice.

One of them, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Samir, said their treatment had been “unfair and unacceptable” and that he was glad it had been brought into the public domain.

“We are thinking about going to court to get clear answers to our questions,” he told AFP. “Do people have the right not to eat during the day? Are doctors who observe Ramadan putting their patients’ lives in danger?”

A spokesman for the National Front said the Gennevilliers mayor had made the right decision, adding that: “Those who oppose this wise decision are making a mockery of the principles of safety and secularism.”

The row over the Ramadan sackings erupted as France brushed off US State Department criticism of its ban on veils which fully cover women’s faces, introduced last year by the administration of former president Nicolas Sarkozy.

In its 2011 International Religious Freedom Report, the State Department expressed concern over a “rising number of European countries, including Belgium and France, whose laws restricting dress adversely affected Muslims and others”.

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  1. I’ve conducted the fasts for both Ramadan and that for the Baha’i faith. During Ramadan at least, I’ve had to engage in physical activity such as 5 hour tennis practices, swimming, jogging, hiking, and, of course, driving. And I’m certainly not a super-fit outlyer. Being afraid of these guys crashing a car because of fasting, they might as well fire every employee that stays up past 10 at night, since the risk would be about the same. Perhaps this isn’t a case of Islamophobia, and the safety concerns are the real reason these employees were sacked. However, I think these concerns are unfounded

  2. Muslims and their requirements and demands must always come first, everybody else will just have to learn to accept that.

  3. the word sacked in the title, made me wonder. never heard an american use the word sacked. now the article from admin for “americans” against islamophobiatoday uses the word row? then i noticed the time stamp is wednesday august 1st. i’m in the eastern time zone in america and it is tuesday 10:37 pm. what’s up with that?

    siyajk’ak,

    so are you Baha’i?

    IN the name of the Sovereign Lord, the Lord of
    Power.
    Glorified is He before Whom all the dwellers
    of earth and heaven bow down in adoration and
    unto Whom all men turn in supplication. He is the One
    Who holdeth in His grasp the mighty kingdom of all
    created things and unto Him shall all return. He is the One
    Who revealeth whatsoever He willeth and by His injunction
    `Be Thou’ all things have come into being.

    so you a fan of Khalil Gibran? you read “the prophet”. you ever see the movie “walk the line”? june carter gives johnny cash a copy. go figure.

    anyways how is staying up past 10pm have anything to do with it? if you get up at 8am that is plenty of sleep. “since the risk would be about the same.” how do you know that? what study are you refering too?

    but they most likely fired them because they did like the idea of muslims being around their kids.

    oh shit maybe they where edl in disguise?

  4. Jane,

    Why Muslims’ demands? Totally wrong, unjust and disgusting. It is the Christians’ ideas, interests, choices and ideas that should always come first and foremost. Muslims are not allowed to practice their own legal systems/codices but must follow western ones. If they follow their shariah, that is antimodern. So, that must be stopped. When they do not follow western style democracy, they are committing crime against humanity (!?). So, their governments must be changed and puppets should be installed. If no excuse is viable, then humanitarian intervention. Nothing is good or perfect unless it pleases and certified by the West.

    I don’t understand why Muslims, at the first place, join olympic. This is a Greek ritual. So, when Greece shows so much hostility to Muslims, why should the latter affiliation to Greek culture?

  5. Dongo here is an example of a Muslim legal system in action.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/world/africa/couple-stoned-to-death-by-islamists-in-mali.html?_r=1

    These people are following Sharia. Of course you may say it’s not the right Sharia, but Islam has many followers and many facets to its belief system. I would say it is very hard to get large groups of Muslims to agree on Sharia penalties and if you did the minority group may just kill you for perverting Islamic law. I maintain it is best for secular law to govern society, I would never want to be subject to anyone’s take on religious law or obligations. Catholics tried that and a lot of people got burned or mutilated.
    I will go one step further and state further and state that I do agree with the western style of justice over justice meted out by our middle eastern or Islamic brethren.

  6. d-go,

    “If they follow their shariah, that is antimodern. So, that must be stopped.” i agree totally. yes sharia is antimodern. torturing people is wrong. regardless of what gabriel told muhammad. dee, what do you think about sharia, is it “backwards”? should people be stoned, have their hands cut off, be lashed? shit i guess i’m being closed minded again.

  7. Mike,

    If Shariah is antimodern, then I think the modern legal systems must be the same as they also retain punishments that are more brutal. What is your opinion about US and the West using brutal torture methods? So far I know, they don’t follow Shariah. Methods used in Abu Gharaib and Bagram are super modern? What your genetically sick pigs are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan are ultra modern? Lynnide England was 6 months pregnant when she was doing the torture porn in Iraq.

    What do you suggest to your bastard citizens for intervening and torturing others by every means possible? If you say to stop shariah, why not the bastard legal systems be also banished? Just because those are followed by the powerful and the weak have to comply?

    Let me tell you: if the US and west show no respect to others and their beliefs, customs, values, the earlier must not expect their ones (including leagal systems) to be respected and complied with. It is always said that US courts must not use foreign legal elements in their functioning. Therefore, why do you expect that your legal systems should be respected and your citizens would have the right to justice when you continue to violate others’ rights?

  8. dongo,

    “If Shariah is antimodern, then I think the modern legal systems must be the same as they also retain punishments that are more brutal.” like what? personally i’m against the death penalty. but how is lethal injection more brutal then stoning? how is imprisonment more brutal thatn whipping people or cutting off someone’s hand.
    “What is your opinion about US and the West using brutal torture methods?” i’m against it. but what methods are you speaking of?
    “So far I know, they don’t follow Shariah.” i agree they don’t follow sharia.
    “Methods used in Abu Gharaib and Bagram are super modern?” true, they use psycological methods along with sleep deprivation. not a whip. or stones.
    “What your genetically sick pigs” lol. you can never resist a shot at the genetic inferiority of who? whites? yet no one seems to label you as “hateful” or “racist”. strange don’t you think? what does genetics have to do with anything?
    “are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan are ultra modern? Lynnide England was 6 months pregnant when she was doing the torture porn in Iraq.” so what if she was pregnant? again what does that have to do with anything. “torture porn”? what is that?

    “What do you suggest to your bastard citizens” bastard citizens, sweet.
    “for intervening and torturing others by every means possible?” seriously? every means possible? bamboo under finger nails? electricution? lashing? i guess i’m missing a bunch of news reports.
    “If you say to stop shariah, why not the bastard legal systems be also banished? Just because those are followed by the powerful and the weak have to comply?” well again i’m against the death penalty. but what is the “bastard legal system” you speak of? a jury of your peers? being provided a lawyer, being read you rights? not being stoned to death? not being mutilated, having you hand cut off, not being whipped?

    “Let me tell you:” ok you tell me. are you waving your finger at me right now. my grandfather used to do that. and he would say, listen sonny i’ve been through the mill.
    “if the US and west show no respect to others and their beliefs, customs, values, the earlier must not expect their ones (including leagal systems) to be respected and complied with.” how do we show no respect for other cultures? we are constantly being told to respect other cultures. even liberals don’t criticize sharia for fear of being labeled “racist”. as for our legal system. saudi arabia, iran, turkey or any islamic nation can impliment any laws they want. but then don’t turn around and tell us that islam is tolerant and peaceful. perhaps they should withdraw from the their un obligations. don’t be a signature to the un human rights declaration. you are welcome to with draw from the international community, the un. so anyways you think sharia is a good thing? stoning people, lashing people, cutting off people’s hand. not unexpected. given you rants.
    “It is always said that US courts must not use foreign legal elements in their functioning.” true dat. listen if the muslims want to implyment sharia in their countries, they can. put your cards on the table. what is strange is that when muslims stone people to death in iran, saudi, mali, afghanistan, where ever. muslims on this forum say it’s not sharia. at least you are willing to speak the truth. you are all for stoning, lashing, right?
    “Therefore, why do you expect that your legal systems should be respected and your citizens would have the right to justice when you continue to violate others’ rights?” well i would hope everyone has a right to justice. prisoners of war are dealt with a little differently than. but yeah i wish our government had done a better job with our prisoners of war.

    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-29/world/bangladesh.lashing.death_1_alya-lashes-elders?_s=PM:WORLD

    where did the iman come up with the extra one? he should re-read his koran. everyone knows it’s 100 lashes for fornication.

    taste the whip a love not given lightly, taste the whip now bleed for me. a little velvet underground for ya. always fun talking to ya. you keep the “bastards” flying…….lol

  9. Mike,

    I have told you time and time again that the punishments are mentioned in the scriptures. If you have the audacity, just go to the clerics of the three faiths and tell them to change these things. Who am I to stone/whip people? I don’t work in a religious court but a British system run one. I am just a lawyer, not a judge and there is not even remote possibility that I will be a judge. Because I have some educational years drooped and thus I am pretty short of the required qualifications. Even if I were a judge, my decision would go for the least punishment regarding stoning/whipping. About beheading, I can’t tell. Probably, I would prefer firing squad.

    You are against it? Don’t make cruel jokes, Mike. In the latter passage you have shown your support for these brutalities.

    Yes I can’t resist such things. And I am saying it clearly. Just like you and your ilk can’t resist lambasting Muslims and Islam. What’s wrong if I take my preferred stance? You want to know my genetics? Well, I am of purely Negroid-Dravidian origin but unfortunately I have a brownish white skin, not black/chocolate. My forefathers came from ME. Thus I belong to the Hamitic race.

    Before terming me racist, see and judge what your nation has done in past and what is doing at present. Genetics is a vital thing. Your gene decides yourself. It decides what will be your physical features, your character, mindset, what diseases you might suffer from etc. For example, Jews are genetically meritorious. Germans are genetically one of the most racist on earth. The Chinese have an innate abiltiy of making duplicate things. We Muslims are genetically the burden on earth.

    Torture porn was what LE and her fucker Charles Graner did. And how can a woman, 6 months pregnant do such sensuality? You ask me what torture porn is? Surely, you are an willful oxymoron.

    Sorry Mike, I will never be punished with any of these methods. You know why? I always work for the right. Bastard legal systems means the ones that are both man made and some elements taken from divine ones. Yet, it is howled that religions should not be used to interfere in court cases. On the other hand, there are religious issues to be solved by both divine and man mande laws.

  10. dongo,

    “I have told you time and time again that the punishments are mentioned in the scriptures.” well then fuck the scriptures.

    “If you have the audacity, just go to the clerics of the three faiths and tell them to change these things.” alright i’m on it.
    “Who am I to stone/whip people?” a muslim? you do see that muslims whip and stone people all the time.
    “I don’t work in a religious court but a British system run one. I am just a lawyer, not a judge and there is not even remote possibility that I will be a judge. Because I have some educational years drooped and thus I am pretty short of the required qualifications. Even if I were a judge, my decision would go for the least punishment regarding stoning/whipping. About beheading, I can’t tell. Probably, I would prefer firing squad.” ok then. you make me laugh so…..

    “You are against it? Don’t make cruel jokes, Mike. In the latter passage you have shown your support for these brutalities.” when have i shown my “support for these brutalities”. ya’ll really need to work on your pronoun to andecident relationship. i see that in the koran alot. i’m against what?

    “Yes I can’t resist such things.” what are “such things”?
    “And I am saying it clearly.” no you are anything but clear.
    “Just like you and your ilk can’t resist lambasting Muslims and Islam.” tru dat
    “What’s wrong if I take my preferred stance?” take whatever stance you want.
    “You want to know my genetics? Well, I am of purely Negroid-Dravidian origin but unfortunately I have a brownish white skin, not black/chocolate. My forefathers came from ME. Thus I belong to the Hamitic race.” dude i don’t give a shit about your genetics or anyone’s else.

    “Before terming me racist, see and judge what your nation has done in past and what is doing at present. Genetics is a vital thing. Your gene decides yourself. It decides what will be your physical features, your character, mindset, what diseases you might suffer from etc. For example, Jews are genetically meritorious. Germans are genetically one of the most racist on earth. The Chinese have an innate abiltiy of making duplicate things. We Muslims are genetically the burden on earth.” ok. you a fan of shockleys studies in genetics? ok, but you do realize that your very statement would be considered racist by many liberals in the dreaded west. “Germans are genetically one of the most racist on earth” lol.

    “Torture porn was what LE and her fucker Charles Graner did. And how can a woman, 6 months pregnant do such sensuality? You ask me what torture porn is? Surely, you are an willful oxymoron.” i’m starting to think you don’t know what the word oxymoron means. it’s not like hyper moron. it’s a self contridictiory term. you know like “islam is the religion of peace”. as for torture porn. making some guy form a naked pyriamid is not torture. maube humiliating but no where near the divine revelation of 100 lashes for having sex. or 80 lashes for being drunk. clearly your god is a bastard. i’m drunk right now. let him lash me by some muslims hand. lol. i have more ammo than the colorado shooter.

    “Sorry Mike, I will never be punished with any of these methods. You know why? I always work for the right. Bastard legal systems means the ones that are both man made and some elements taken from divine ones. Yet, it is howled that religions should not be used to interfere in court cases. On the other hand, there are religious issues to be solved by both divine and man mande laws.” ok, whatever that is suppossed to mean? if you aren’t drunk with that statement maybe you should start drinking, for clearity’s sake. you’re all over the road. that makes no sense.

    can anyone translate for me????????????

    dee,

    you have any clue what he is talking about?

    //dongo
    2 August 2012 at 4:01 am

  11. Mike,

    You go to do that. But when you are caught red-handed (penised), you will not only be beaten, but your dick will also be cut off.
    No, you always lie. You must make it to the US Congress, seek their permission and do the asking on national TV channels. Let me see, how brave you actually are.

    I believe that the punishments provided by non-religious legal systems are equally brutal. We see all people including Muslims doing that always. But Christians do these more. But who are the Christians to do so? They are the masters of the current world and hence have no need to respect others. When they are bitten back, that is a crime, only to be punished by every kind of punishment possible and those injustices will be justified by all means possible.

    Laugh as much as you desire.

    You said you were against the brutalities waged by US as punishment methods but later you showed support for those. How sane you asking me instead to check my pronoun? Really third-rater you are, even more than me.

    The things are, when anyone condemns you through 4 Rs—race, religion, revenue (source of income), roots (your parents/family). None should sit idle if s/he truly is a human when such things happen. You first took to insulting Muslims and Islam. So, what wrong I did replying you is not clear to me. Am I clear now? Moreover, you got your answer when you say “Just like you and your ilk can’t resist lambasting Muslims and Islam. tru dat.”

    I am taking my preferred stance, i.e. replying you and co.
    Fine, you don’t give a shit to anyone’s genetics. In the same way, then stop howling about me abusing the US and the West through their genetics.

    Yes, I am a fan of and try to study genetics but I don’t have the necessary literature at my disposal; as I was a student of law, I had few opportunities to study it. But whatever I could collect, I maintained them like treasure. Also, I don’t have the merit to study such a complex discipline.

    I can hopefully justify all my statements. If Germans are not one of the most racist on earth, why did they wage the holocaust? It is they who began the two world wars. In the form of Anglo-Saxons, they ruled the whole world with utmost brutality. In South Africa, it was the Dutch (Saxons) who kept alive the apartheid era. In USA, it was the Celto-Germanic Spaniards who destroyed the ancients. The last Inca king was forcefully baptised, then beheaded and his head has hung on a speartip. The British (Angles) ruled the whole Indian subcontinent. There was a provision in aristocrat houses: dogs and Indians are not allowed. When the French (Franks, another Germanic tribe) controlled Haiti, the Haitian slaves revolted. But the French colonials including people on mainland France barked that the slaves made a pact with the devil to rid themselves of France. Jews are genetically meritorious and Muslims burden on earth, are these wrong? No, because Jewish scholars have won many prestigious awards including Nobel Prize. When you list the greatest scholars of all time of all disciplines, there will surely be Jewish ones. Look at us on other hand: how many Muslims have achieved such a feat? Except the so-called Islamic golden age, is there any contemporary achievement? No.

    So, Mike, you always have the defending ready for your nations’ crimes. When women are pregnant, they are said to be polite, not to work hard, not harm anyone. For your kind information, this bitch was on a military duty. And in this situation, she became pregnant by her fucker. Were they a married couple? No. But that did not prevent the bitch and her dog to use the prisoners as a tool for their genetically sick pleasure, prisoners who were already been given more tortures than 100 lashes. If you condemn 100 lashes, why don’t you hate the bitch and her fucking dog? O, one thing more. You are very disturbed with shariah punishments for fornication. If you are having sex illegally with anyone’s spouse and in the meantime, the husband/wife returns, will s/he award you with global peace prize? You may have enough ammo than E. Holmes, what can I do about that? And what does that mean here? If hypothetically, some Muslims come to get you, do you think they will come with only a whip? If so, you are dreaming. They will come with more ammo, lash and guillotine and who knows, probably with more deadly ones, especially when you say that Muslims are intended to murder others only. In that case, they will outmatch him and you will not have an upper hand.

    This means when you said to me to test the lash of whips. When I do not do crimes, how can I be punished with such things? The second part means, though religious laws are said to be not used in modern courts, they are not discarded either.

    For your information, I do drink: Johnny Walker Pale Pilsen and Smirnoff.

  12. Supposedly the Jews are smarter because the stupid ones were weeded out by persecutions.

    In ww2, the obnoxious British were suddenly replaced by the atrocious Japanese in some of those countries.

    The muslims are famous for violent social disorder and crazy clerics. Intense hatred for the other. This is perhaps what prevents them from accomplishment.

    You can have a glass of wine with dinner and some beer on the weekend.

  13. Heavy religion of any kind will prevent everyone from accomplishment. Those Hasidics, for example. Contemplatives. Tibetans, what do they do?

  14. Anon,

    I must admit that I am sometimes helped by your writing. Thanks, friend.

    The Jews “weeded out by persecution” were not stupid ones. They were the unlucky ones rather. I have 1000% sympathy for them. May their innocent souls rest entirely in peace for eternity. Those who survived were forced to hide their identity. I read it from some Jewish sources (or at least, sympathetic to Jews), that any Jew named Yakob/Yakub/Yakov was forced to name himself as Jason (a Greek name), in Roman days. This was just one instance.

    You can see that most Jews have either German, Slavic and to a lesser extent, British names. You know why? Because many Jews living in the areas controlled by the former Khazar empire were forced to adopt Germanic and Slavic names just for their very survival.

    You are quite right about Muslims. About accomplishment, I will differ. We are genetically inferior in merit.

    Well, my weekend days are Friday and Saturday. Therefore, I may not enjoy the Sunday leave. Anyway, thanks again for your suggestion. But I don’t get the brand Foster’s in my country now.

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