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The truth about Muhammad and Aisha

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'The Qur’an says that marriage is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse.' Photograph: Shah Marai/AFP/Getty Images

‘The Qur’an says that marriage is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse.’ Photograph: Shah Marai/AFP/Getty Images

Innocence of Muslims repeated the claim Muhammad was a paedophile, but the story is more complex and interesting than that

by guardian.co.uk,

Writing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: “Of all the world’s great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad.” His quote seems all the more poignant in light of the Islamophobic film Innocence of Muslims, which has sparked riots from Yemen to Libya and which, among other slanders, depicts Muhammad as a paedophile.

This claim is a recurring one among critics of Islam, so its foundation deserves close scrutiny.

Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur’an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha’s age at marriage.

According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha’s age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What’s more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.

In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur’an. While the Qur’an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha’s age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.

Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad’s actions reflect the Qur’an’s teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not.

Sadly, in many countries, the imperatives motivating the marriage of young girls are typically economic. In others, they are political. The fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia have both sought to use the saying concerning Aisha’s age as a justification for lowering the legal age of marriage tells us a great deal about the patriarchal and oppressive nature of those regimes, and nothing about Muhammad, or the essential nature of Islam. The stridency of those who lend credence to these literalist interpretations by concurring with their warped view of Islam does not help those Muslims who seek to challenge these aberrations.

The Islamophobic depiction of Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha as motivated by misplaced desire fits within a broader Orientalist depiction of Muhammad as a philanderer. This idea dates back to the crusades. According to the academic Kecia Ali: “Accusations of lust and sensuality were a regular feature of medieval attacks on the prophet’s character and, by extension, on the authenticity of Islam.”

Since the early Christians heralded Christ as a model of celibate virtue, Muhammad – who had married several times – was deemed to be driven by sinful lust. This portrayal ignored the fact that before his marriage to Aisha, Muhammad had been married to Khadija, a powerful businesswoman 15 years his senior, for 25 years. When she died, he was devastated and friends encouraged him to remarry. A female acquaintance suggested Aisha, a bright and vivacious character.

Aisha’s union would also have cemented Muhammad’s longstanding friendship with her father, Abu Bakr. As was the tradition in Arabia (and still is in some parts of the world today), marriage typically served a social and political function – a way of uniting tribes, resolving feuds, caring for widows and orphans, and generally strengthening bonds in a highly unstable and changing political environment. Of the women Muhammad married, the majority were widows. To consider the marriages of the prophet outside of these calculations is profoundly ahistorical.

What the records are clear on is that Muhammad and Aisha had a loving and egalitarian relationship, which set the standard for reciprocity, tenderness and respect enjoined by the Qur’an. Insights into their relationship, such as the fact they liked to drink out of the same cup or race one another, are indicative of a deep connection which belies any misrepresentation of their relationship.

To paint Aisha as a victim is completely at odds with her persona. She was certainly no wallflower. During a controversial battle in Muslim history, she emerged riding a camel to lead the troops. She was known for her assertive temperament and mischievous sense of humour – with Muhammad sometimes bearing the brunt of the jokes. During his lifetime, he established her authority by telling Muslims to consult her in his absence; after his death, she went to be become one of the most prolific and distinguished scholars of her time.

A stateswoman, scholar, mufti, and judge, Aisha combined spirituality, activism and knowledge and remains a role model for many Muslim women today. The gulf between her true legacy and her depiction in Islamophobic materials is not merely historically inaccurate, it is an insult to the memory of a pioneering woman.

Those who manipulate her story to justify the abuse of young girls, and those who manipulate it in order to depict Islam as a religion that legitimises such abuse have more in common than they think. Both demonstrate a disregard for what we know about the times in which Muhammad lived, and for the affirmation of female autonomy which her story illustrates.

• This article was amended on 17 September 2012. It originally stated that King John was 44 when he married Isabella of Angoulême. This has been corrected.

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  1. If M had been a true pedophile he would have had a harem of little girls. I think this is just a charge used to annoy muslims. There are many people, e.g. the Copts, who have suffered under muslim rule and often hate muslims and/or Islam and want to attack it.

    It should dawn on muslims that their nasty governance has produced this hatred. Their attempts to beat the people of the world into accepting it worldwide are not appreciated.

    Muslims neighbors are like nice people who unfortunately have theocratic tuberculosis.

    Jesus was probably married at some point and was perhaps a widower. His scriptural story is pointed at theological concepts and away from his family life.

  2. The obscure little film was promoted in order to have a big rumpus for 9/11. Might even turn into an annual “kill an american” day. As usual the protests have killed more muslims than americans, and damaged muslim business and property and image.

  3. “What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse.” were does it say that? and what is an adult according to the koran?

    “As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad’s actions reflect the Qur’an’s teachings on marriage,” so if he did marry a 9 year then it is ok now?

  4. jim,

    what do you think? seems to be alot of literalists out there. you did see where the grand mufti of saudi arabia called for girl as young as 10 should be allowed to marry.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2238321.stm

    “The family are insisting in the High Court that Muslims are entitled to follow Islamic Sharia law. They say this means allowing weddings any time after puberty, which comes earlier for most girls than boys.”

    at least the liberal muslim guy seems to have some better fiqh.

  5. i think we should be given the opportunity to learn the true history of islam and its orign.Some are saying islam was created in Rome and given toMuhammad’s wife who was a European.The aim of islam was destroy the Jews and Christians who were force to flee Rome under the CEASARS WHO persecuted them.They fled to north Africa and started to expand.Muslins occupy most of the lands that were once christian strong holds.
    That is the reason Muslins hate Christians and Jews,that is why cops and other Christians have to flee Muslin majority countries.If this is true who can we blame?

  6. The idea that Islam was born in Rome is as much of bunkum as to say that the Pope was doing Samba on the Vatican balcony!

    The aim of Islam was to restore monotheism which had lapsed and been diluted and modified in Judaism and trinitised in christianity.

  7. Beautiful article. An interesting perspective on the issue of the prophetic betrothal to Lady Aisha RA.

  8. I think Islam was made by non trinitarian Christians who had fled persecution and wound up in Arab lands. There has always been a school of Christianity that did not use the trinity, it is just one interpretation of the scriptures.

  9. Shariq Jamal,

    so how does the koran define an adult?

    “What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse.” sorry my memory must be failing me. i’ve read the koran and don’t remember it saying that?

  10. The reason he says it says that is that the various interpretations of the Koran, not the Koran itself, may say that.

    You keep pointing to the Koran and hadiths, mike, but muslims have massaged those texts so that they say whatever they want them to say, as some have done with the Bible. As the kuffar are not acquainted with these massagings, they are labeled ignorant, cherry pickers, etc.

  11. anon,

    it’s good to hear they are massaging the koran to be more reasonable. i hope they massage away from what it really says in many instances. the jews and christians have massaged away from burning people for “crimes”. now if they massage back to the 7th century as the salafist and wahabbist want to do, then that is extremely bad. obviously the author of this article is a white chick, probably french, married to a morrocan? this is what i mean when i say to akido anjem, or however you spell the indo-mongolian hybred’s name, that westernized fiqh may eventually backflow to the islamic world. it may take another 2 thousand years but it is not without possibility. you say not to import religion of hate. i agreed but imagine how bad the world would be if america had had it’s boarders closed for the last 50 years. there are many progressive muslims, but almost all of them come out of the west. whether they were raised here or just studied here. i was watching “young turks” last weekend. the host said straightup, i used to be a muslim.

    check out page 106.

    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/the-worlds-muslims-full-report.pdf

  12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Uygur

    i was a bit disappionted with him when he let the cair guy duck his question about western fiqh towards blasphemy may not be winning out in much of the islamic world. but checkout his personal life. who can’t be mad at anyone who names his son that. i think he must have a good agnostic sense of humor.

    also i think fareed zakaria’s father was an islamic scholar. yet he is a very reasonable person, a bit socalistic for my politics, but about as far from a supporter of theocracy as anyone. i remember him saying, islam or christianity is no way to run a society, both forbid usury. luckily christians have massaged their way away from that non-sense.

  13. Muslims will just throw a tremendous word pudding at those who happen to mention embarrassing verses.

    There are people who spend all their lives cooking up word puddings for religions.

  14. I know this is off topic but in view that protests of the anti-muslim film are still going on, I’m surprised how quickly this site seems to have moved on from the subject. Pakistan, for practicle purposes, declared a holiday for the purpose of protesting today and 15 people including two policemen trying to protect a christian church were killed there. Atleast 50 have been injured last I checked. I would think there would be more articles about how its all Americas fault, or an examination of Quranic verses about how killing people and destroying property because of a video that does not have the capability of doing either of those things, is okay. Perhaps a report on the worldwide death count?

  15. Crazy violence in Pakistan is not news anymore. They declared a special day to run amok. There is a transition going on. a rough beast lurches towards Bethlehem and the gyroscope is off kilter.

    Theocracy will die a long painful messy death, but it will die. The Afghan woman with all the electronic gear in her yurt says so. So does the African lady in her red and yellow rag.

  16. Thanks anon, nice to see a little good news. I’ve told friends in the past if we had just lobbed a few cruise missles into afghanistan, take out 3 or 4k and maybe sent some spooks over the boarder to get UBL, (I think he would have turned up in france anyway) and treated it like the criminal act it was, instead of coming up with “the war on terror” the world would be a different place today. I gotta go now. I think the republicans are calling me again.

  17. The army told Bush to pop in and pop out. Boot Saddam and sons, look for OBL in Afghanistan, but then get out. Instead Bush did this huge swamp thing. How do we prevent it in future.

  18. Pass a law that there be a secratary of history in the government. They couldnt remember what happened to the russians? They could have read a book. And poor sadam was harmless. Barack hasnt been any better. A month after he gets the peace prize he sends in the surge. My chanting didnt work. Im converting to rasta. Stupid human pride bites us in the ass everytime.

  19. Saddam and his sons were sadistic monsters. He had been threatening the US verbally and describing plots to kill in US by poisoning reservoirs, etc.

    For gassing the Kurds in Halabja alone he should have been hanged. Ever see those little cutie pies lying on the ground? Bet some of them wore a pink jacket.

  20. To say “mariage is valid only between consenting adults and hence ….” is to say Pedo Mo followed what he preached. He said 4 wives is the limit. But he had them by dozens. Jibreel/Allah was always doing Pedo Mo’s bidding by bailing him out in tough situations. He was a bloody crook the likes of which this world hasn’t seen either before him or after him.

    Who are you trying to fool Mr.author ? Bloody apologists, these leeches sell their souls and become concubines of pisslamists for penny or less.

  21. From brown pundits.com:

    Apropos the long term trend, I wrote this comment on a friend’s facebook page: “Hindu” is diffuse enough to survive any philosophical setbacks and still thrive. Orthodox Sunni Islam (shias are a different kettle of fish) was altogether too successful in establishing a PUBLIC (private has always been anarchic) theological consensus supported by the blasphemy and apostasy laws. But both blasphemy and apostasy laws run counter to crucial elements of the spirit of the times (postmodernist bullshit notwithstanding..or rather, pomo bullshit it itself ulitmately poison for the very “difference” they think they are willing to tolerate) and what we are seeing is their gradual and extremely painful disestablishment.

    Many a slip betwixt cup and lip, but eventually its gonna happen. THEN Islam will be as safe as Hinduism or Christianity; it will be a large, heterogeneous, amorphous mass of people with no unifying theology, but with some vague but persistent unique themes (a sense of solidarity, a certain egalitarian spirit, an austere desert-like aesthetic, a desire to spend money on tourism to Mecca?). But much blood will be spilled before we get there.

    That site has a lot of interesting writing.

  22. Here’s why Islam looks to me as if it were started by non trinitarians who had fled persecution

    1. Burning at the stake is forbidden

    2. No Trinity

    3. Preaches tolerance at least in some verses, because they had experienced persecution

    4. Deny the crucifixion – there was a school of Christians that did that

    5. Alcohol was forbidden by some churches.

    Then the arabs got hold of it.

  23. Mike, I picked the below post from the web. Needless to say, I believe these are the true colors of muzzies (despite the fact that there will be many muzzies who are not so much into their religion). When you live with muzzies who have no pretense (which is not what Americans are yet exposed to), everyday is a hassle. Every single move by the government to bring about a fair society, right from the federal level to the county level is checked by these retards. Hence you and I are very different in approaches to treating this disease. I will never step off the gas when it is the muzzie scum i deal with. Aggression is the only language they listen to.

    >

    This is SCARY AS HELL: WARNING FROM A FORMER MUSLIM

    I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain.
    I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion.
    The following are the Islamic message to the West.

    To the infidels of the West:

    The Constitution for the new Islamic Republics of EuroArabia and AmerIslamia is under construction.

    We will fight the infidel to death.

    - Meanwhile American laws will protect us.
    - Democrats and Leftist will support us.
    - N.G.O.s will legitimize us.
    - C.A.I.R. will incubate us.
    - The A.C.L.U. will empower us.
    - Western Universities will educate us.
    - Mosques will shelter us
    - O.P.E.C. will finance us
    - Hollywood will love us.
    - Kofi Annan and most of the United Nations will cover our asses.

    Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries.
    They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations
    and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.

    We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.

    We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back.
    We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children
    to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.

    We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel.
    Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next.
    We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US.

    Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad
    when time comes. Who are we?

    We are the “sleeper cells”.

    We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary.

    At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching.
    Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

    We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire.
    “Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies”. “Jews killed two women”,

    Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or high-tech weaponry in the showcase.
    You can’t use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you.
    We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.

    Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans,
    the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe.
    We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.

    West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies.
    That is the way it is cheaper.

    You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?

    On the camera:

    - We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.”
    - We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.”
    - Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the
    West will believe it because the West is so gullible.
    - Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.
    - Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.
    - We will increase in number. We will double again.

    You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals
    you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”,
    But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.

    There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

    Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN,
    and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun.

    We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will video tape those and send it to all infidels
    to watch. They will surrender – ISLAM means surrender.

    We will use your own values of kindness against you.

    You are destined to lose.

  24. Aikido Arjun,

    sorry too drunk to tackle all that tonight. maybe tomorrow. just small fish to fry tonight.

    james,

    “Thanks anon, nice to see a little good news.” yes and the libyians are trying to disband the militias. anyways
    “I’ve told friends in the past if we had just lobbed a few cruise missles into afghanistan, take out 3 or 4k” are you a fucking moron? that’s what we did after the african embassy bombings. our lack of resolve only emboldened ubl.
    “and maybe sent some spooks over the boarder to get UBL,” ok, just like that. a couple of cia, problem solved.
    “(I think he would have turned up in france anyway)” why france? why not the tribal region in pakistan or somalia?
    “and treated it like the criminal act it was,” that’s why we told the afghans to extridie him. because he was a criminal. but they refused. so we went in an got him.
    “instead of coming up with “the war on terror” the world would be a different place today. I gotta go now. I think the republicans are calling me again.” no need for a war on terror, not after beruit in 83, not after the lockerbie bombing, not after multiple hijackings in the 70s and 80s. not after the iranian hostage crisis, not after terry anderson, not after the cole, not after khobar towers, not after tanzinia and kenya, not after the world trade center bombing in 93. ubl declared war on us in 98. so be it. you sound like clinton, a few cruise missle will take care of this.

    “Pass a law that there be a secratary of history in the government.” no, maybe you just need a history tutor. the department of education should be eliminated, but that is for another time.
    “They couldnt remember what happened to the russians? They could have read a book.” of cousre we knew all about the soviet invasion and occupation of afghanistan. and why do you think we used the northern alliance to fight a proxy war. why do you think people kept saying we need a small footprint.
    “And poor sadam was harmless.” lmfao. harmless to whom? the iranians, the kuwaitis, the kurds, the shia? so why did we have two no fly zones over the country? you were in favor of lifting those? lifting the sanctions?
    “Barack hasnt been any better. A month after he gets the peace prize he sends in the surge.” most peaceful thing he has ever done.
    “My chanting didnt work. Im converting to rasta. Stupid human pride bites us in the ass everytime.” you keep smoking. jah provide the bread. but don’t tell the muslims you think the second coming of jesus has already happened. they may treat you like they do the ahmadis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCyK87hH9M

  25. Aikido Arjun,
    You are a liar and a bitter little man. I am a Muslim…raised luthern…and now Muslim 23 years. Never do any Muslims that I interact with ever say such evil things. Stop trying to create hysteria in this country you paranoid
    Idiot. This is not what Islam teaches. I am studying the Arabic language and also fiQh. There is nothing that states your lies. If you would actually talk to anyone who has studied this faith you would know this…if you had ever been a Muslim…you definately NEVER studied anything.
    So sad for you.
    Aaishah

  26. Aaishah

    Your faith raped this world for 1400 years. It broke my country and it is burning the world. Like a Mafia club, you guys are intolerant of apostates. Terrorism and Islam are one and the same.

    People like you try to provide cover for the fanatics. Islam is peace ?Yeah right. Perhaps by peace you mean the graveyard silence that remains after killing non-muslims.

    If you even bark one more time here, I will show case your authentic bukhari hadiths and rip you and your Pedo Mo a new arsehole.

    Now you can go fcuk yourself.

  27. aa,

    sorry you where born in a non-western nation. surely allah has cursed you. so where is it you are from?

    so who exactly said this? the somali dutch chick? you and her may both have good reason to be paranoid, but don’t worry about america. our moral high ground isn’t that high. we have used our nukes before, we will again if push comes to shove. although our seven aircraft carriers will probably suffice against the entire islamic world if it comes to that. we have killed plenty of muslim babies and women before, we’ll do it again if need be.

    they are definately breeding like rabbits. but that will actually backfire on them. they will implode because they will not be able to feed themselves. shit we don’t need nukes, we could just stop exporting grain. plus you do know the sunnis and shia don’t get along at all. hell if we let the iranians develop a nuke that will probably be the end of them. do you see where the saudis were in talks with the pakistanis to outsource their nukes? the muslims are their own wosrt enemies. they like to focus on the jews and us, but that is only to try and hide their own divisions. you come to america, maybe you will be able to relax a little craddled in the bosom of the world’s superpower. you remeber the mother of all battles? it was a cake walk.

  28. Aaishah,

    “Never do any Muslims that I interact with ever say such evil things” ok. so what muslim do you interact with? how many muslims do you know? 1,000 – 10,000? is it not possible that some muslims do say such things? you familiar with anjem choundry?

    “Idiot. This is not what Islam teaches. I am studying the Arabic language and also fiQh” so what fiqh are you studing? maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i or some new school?

    what do you think of the hudud?

    “If you would actually talk to anyone who has studied this faith you would know this” so the grand ayatollah khomeni, who i think studied islam, was right to put a death fatawa on rushdie? do you not think the grand mufti of saudi arabia studied islam? so the imans, clerics, mullahs all throughout the islamic world haven’t studied this faith? the muslims of the islamic world speak volumes contrary to what you assert.

  29. I never met one (a Muslim) that wasn’t one of the best people I met, and I’ve met thousands.

  30. http://vimeo.com/19598947

    They are all good ones.

  31. Muslim is the Good One,

    so where do you live?

  32. Bigotry is obvious in our society. I have posted an article about hudud in my blog. The beauty of Islam is that it can fit all centuries and all ages if it was too strict it would have only worked 1400 hundreds ago. Fyi to all people claiming that they have read the quran via translation if you did then you have not read it. Quran is in Arabic and from god. A translation is made by man.

  33. Suckshito,

    Get a hot broadsword stuffed into your holes now. Yes, marriage is valid only between consenting adults. But that excludes people who are barred to marry. If you have no brain on this, just see who are barred. 4 wives are the limit. And prophet had 11 wives, not dozens as you say or the 16008 like the BDSM Hindu God Krishna had. Our Prophet was nothing you say. But you are a despicable rat flea always.

    And there are trillions of pig fucken swine like you who find it right to demonise others and when those demonized bite back, that is intolerance.

    Thrust your fucking freedom of speech and civility into your mouth and exit them through your holes. Continue doing this time and time again with starting from your holes first also.

  34. answeting islamphobe,

    yes we have all heard that the koran is only holy in arabic. you know what was hilarious, after 9/11 i read an article by a muslims saying that the violent quotes from the koran that people are posting in english don’t mean anything, becuase they are in english. then at the endof the article he said islam is a religion of peace. then he quoted 5:32 (in english) as proof. lmao for days.

    the prologue to my koran says:

    “A rendering into another language, therefore, is not and never can be the Qur’an as such, but merely an interpretation of it. ….. There is, however, an even more important reason for insisting that Qur’an, which specifically defines itself as “an Arabic recitation”, is no longer the Qur’an when it is “translated”.” so god’s divine wisdom was to make his divine word available to only those who speak and really think in arabic. for the creator of all he really carved himself a very small segment of the population.

    so you speak arabic? how do you translate zina?

  35. “In Islam, the families of the victim have the right to choose whether he deserves the death penalty or not.” so do they have the right to choose the prison sentence as well? how about no prison?

    so you are a supporter of the hudud?

  36. When I found out that the SCUM who made this “film” posed as an Israeli, I knew all I needed to know. He’s no better than Charlie Manson, who masterminded the Tate La Bianca murders to blame on black people to start a race war in LA. Freedom of speech is complex.

  37. Aisha was 18, historically refuting the very hadiths that claim otherwise. She was older than his daughter who was 24 when he died. If Fatima was 24, naturally Aisha was older too. She couldn’t have only been 18 when he died.

  38. Though everyone has the right to ‘freedom of expression’ but those who enjoy such freedom should be ready to face stern legal action if their malicious intent is proved in the court of law. The government cannot turn a blind eye to the nefarious design of these mischief mongers…:).

  39. What people fail to realize is in that time there were girls getting married at that age. In Islam she MUST be in puberty. In the Christian world hundreds of years after Muhammad’s,sal Allahu alaihi wa salam, death, European royalty were marrying & sleeping with 9yr olds, often not even in puberty. In the 1900′s America young girls were being prostituted and it was LEGAL. Heck the movie based on suc prostitution, Pretty Baby, was pretty much child porn, in the 1970′s! So screw anyone who wants to give a 1/2 story to make the Prophet, peace be upon him, look like a pedophile.

  40. Raj, you are a hateful idiot, just like other trolls that regularly post here.

  41. Why would anyone in healthy mind watch it…

  42. your english grammar skills..suck Raj.

  43. Dajal, your bunkers await you. Go DOWN there.

  44. Familja Jon: The problem with your argument is that those european kings were never considered saints, nor individuals for which to emulate. Muhammad on the other hand is considered a sorta saint [greatest of all prophets] and his example [sunnah] is to be followed by all Muslims.

    Now this idea that Aisha must have gone through puberty early is an argument for which science itself disproves. However more importantly, we should put focus upon Maria the Copt, which was given to Muhammad as a gift and never was given her freedom. Ironically the individual who made the “innocence of Muslims” film claimed to be Coptic.

    Furthermore I should point out that Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha wasn’t out of the ordinary but as someone who talks to G-d like we’re talking now, don’t you think that he would have been morally above the norm? Afterall Muslims cite this in him abolishing female infanticide don’t they?

  45. Muhammed’s first wife came from Nestorian Christian roots. Maybe that’s where they got the name Maria.

  46. the problem with Reza’s argument is that he didn’t read the article.

  47. the problem with Reza’s argument is that he didn’t read the article.

  48. The fake story of “Innocence of muslim”, compare with click http://holysee.biz/ so was YouTube search : God of the bible is a supporter of pedophilia and rape. Why the producer these of its performed their clever trick spin lier? If they wish inter faith conflict, of course they have got its. Go to hell…

  49. “According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time.”

    Cultural relativism, and presentism conflict with understanding the norms established in history. To levy such a criticism on Muhammad is founded, but lacks merit under the umbrella of presentism. Today, we look at the wedding of a pre-teen as borderline disgusting yet it was common none-the-less in per-modern times because of the incredibly short life-span of individuals there-in. That isn’t to say it’s agreeable, for any competent modern individual understands that a pre-teen (and even younger teens) cannot levy informed consent or have the capacity to understand the contexts.

    Was Aisha a child? Yes. Was she “of age” in their day? Debatable but the article points that it is very plausible. Nevertheless, it will continue to remain divisive and frankly, disgusting. Then again, *a lot* of aspects of pre-modern history was barbaric, partial,, and prejudicial. Although, not much has changed in the developing and third world. Sadly. Even worse when those states are ruled by an oppressive theocratic state (Ahem, Saudi Arabia).

  50. What’s wrong Raj, no prosthelytes coming from here? Go home to mommy. Game over.

  51. Mary had a baby at 11-12, Ayesha was married at 9 -19…this was life back then…I hate it when people compare it to todays times. 18 is the adult now whereas age of puberty was the adult then. you have to be 18 to join the army where in those times even boys that were 10 and 11 fought. People should learn their history before they make claims! Besides why would you care about their ages, you should care about how they were good people

  52. Raj, when your ilk try to deliver them (Muslims) to prisons, we will be hiding them in our houses. You will not find them. Goodbye Raj, it’s been entertaining.

  53. Hey Raj, whenever you get too lonely you can defect over to our side. We have lots of defectors.

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  55. cant say i watched that filth…

  56. Nothing new people, young girls are still getting married around the world, my mom got married at 16 and my grandmas forget it about it probably like 13 or 12. This part of middle eastern culture

  57. When you attack skin colour, They call it “Racism”,
    When you attack Jewish people, They call it “Anti-semetism”,
    When you attack Women, They call it “Gender discrimination”,
    When you attack Homosexuality, They call it “Homophobia”,
    When a non-muslim does something bad.. It is a crime but when a muslim do the same, They call it “Terrorism”,
    When you attack a Religious sect, they call it “Hate speech”,
    But when They attack the dignity of our Beloved Prophet MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H)
    They call it ” Freedom of Expression”!

  58. And oh please! Girls in America get pregnant at 12 thru 16 from their boyfriends at least we’re married and have a husband, money, house, land etc

  59. Innara: I did read the article and have studied Islamic history for most of my life.

    Kit: Maria the Copt [Maria al-Qibtiyya] was of Coptic Orthodox roots, not Nestorian. You are thinking of Khadija.

    Shenya Ali: We don’t know if Mary was married at that age, there is no documentation to suggest it.

  60. Innara: I would also like to add that by attacking my charector, which you know nothing about, you aren’t going to validate your religion, nor discredit my own arguments put forth. The bottomline is that Muhammad said that he was the moral authoirty and Muslims uphold him as such but many of his actions could be considered less than moral, particularly if they are practiced today.

    Many Muslims justify childbrides as “sunnah” and Saudi Arabia refused to outlaw slavery until 1970 because they considered it “sunnah” and that is something that you won’t be able to distance yourself from as a result.

  61. Farah, “And oh please! Girls in America get pregnant at 12 thru 16 from their boyfriends at least we’re married and have a husband, money, house, land etc”

    LOL. smh. There are no words to even begin to describe how dumb this is.

  62. How is it dumb, it’s true
    Ur girls drop out of hs, are single moms, live on welfare&foodstamps etc.
    Anyway this is our culture, just let us be!

  63. LOL. Another deluded soul enters the fray. Of course it’s true, perfection in an organic society doesn’t exist–ideally we would hope children wouldn’t get pregnant at such an immature stage in their life but these occurrences are quite unavoidable. To use such as a justification for arranged, and forcible weddings (with minors even) on the basis of “hey, at least we get a ‘husband’ (who doesn’t respect woman’s rights), money, house and land” is downright laughable and spits in the face what marriage stands for. Women are not property, nor should their basis for a wedding be on property. There’s a reason why the UDHR, and the United Nations shares no qualms with stating cultural norms do not serve as a justification for the abuse of human rights. Some select women in the early 20th century tried to defend how women aren’t apt to vote; always interesting to see how deluded women can be when stuck in a strict cultural norm.

  64. Come on guys my mom got married at 16 by her own will. LOL

  65. Excellent article. I’d only add that the proof that Aisha was 16 when she married is well documented in many very early scholarly books of biography http://blog.islamicanswer.org/?p=928 and http://blog.islamicanswer.org/?p=1728

  66. Ok Steven u have no idea what ur saying, go travel the eastern part of the world and see how we live and we’re happy! In Islam a girl must say yes, so there’s no such thing as force

  67. Ok Steven u have no idea what ur saying, go travel the eastern part of the world and see how we live and we’re happy! In Islam a girl must say yes, so there’s no such thing as force

  68. @Reza, ur one delusional guy. first of i never insulted u. the fact that u keep on harping about aisha’s age in a post where the article clearly says she was 16-19 yrs old with proof, says that either u have comprehension problems or u didn’t read the article. and Maria was the wife of Mohammad. she lived with him for the last 3 yrs of his life. and was free after prophet died.

  69. “This part of middle eastern culture”

    Farah, you make an interesting point, but isn’t this evidence against the idea that Islam is divinely inspired? as opposed to merely being a product of 700 AD Middle eastern Culture?

  70. NO OFFENCE …BUT WHY DO WHITE PEOPLE HAVE THE NEED TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS “PERFECT”…we all know Paedophilia is white man’s disease!!!…if you want to see what child brides look like…check the VATICAN!!….ANYONE OF YOU WATCH 16 AND PREGNANT IN AMERICA???….COME TO UK and you’ll see 9yr OLD white girls with Babies!!…Even 12yr old white girls who are running away with their SCHOOL TEACHERS and the LIST GOES ON!!…smh WHITE PEOPLE fix up look sharp#…Don’t look at other cultures when there’s MORE DIRT IN YOUR CLOSETS!!..Jah Rastafari#

  71. Mona, you seem not to like white people very much lol, I don’t deny that that Catholic Church has it’s problems, but my question is, how does this make marrying a 9 year old girl ok for a 50 year old man? (and how does the bad behavior of the Catholic Church priests or pope reflect badly on Jesus himself?)

  72. @Ignorance poisons: what about pedophilia in your bible instructing to rape 3 years old girls:
    Numbers 31: 17-18
    17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
    18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

    But the most outrageous is that your Bible imply allegations (false ones!) to God Him self:
    Numbers 31: 25-40

    25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
    26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
    27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
    28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
    29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
    30. And of the children of Israel’s half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
    31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
    32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
    33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
    34. And threescore and one thousand asses,
    35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
    36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
    37. And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
    38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.
    39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.
    40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)

  73. regarding Numbers 31:17-18 & 3 years old girls rape in the bible: Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
    Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

    R. Nahman bar Isaac said. “They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does].”
    For said R. Zira, “I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: ‘From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]‘? And he said to me, ‘On the day on which he is born.’ But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, ‘From the age of nine years and one day.’ And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, ‘Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, “From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day.”‘
    [37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15].”
    Said Rabina, “Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety.”
    That is self-evident!
    Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]

  74. Forced marriage is forbidden by shariah : Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67:Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet said, “A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission.” The people asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! How can we know her permission?” He said, “Her silence (indicates her permission).”

  75. Forced marriage is forbidden by shariah: a second evidence: Aa’ishah (may ALLAH be pleased with Her) reported that a girl came to her and said, “My father married me to his brother’s son in order to raise his social standing, and I did not want this marriage [I was forced into it].” ?Aa’ishah said, “Sit here until the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) comes. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came and she told him about the girl. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for her father, then he gave the girl the choice of what to do. She said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have accepted what my father did, but I wanted to prove something to other women.” (Reported by al-Nisaa’i, 3217).

  76. Aisha may GOD be pleased with Her, married Prophet MUHAMMED (pbuh) by Her conscent, She loved Him so much that she was known for her jealousy vis a vis his first wife Khadija(by the way she was 15 years older then The Prophet when they married) although she was dead(they never met) may GOD be pleased with Her

  77. Here is a taste of the kind of love Aisha was feeling for Prophet Muhammad:”…How can it he (that a woman like me) should not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you.” ( Narrated by Aisha(may ALLAH be pleased with Her)) Sahih Muslim Book 039, Hadith Number 6759.

  78. In the authentic hadith the real marriage took place in 9 years old, & also reading the hadith it indicate she was sexually mature(hair loss then growth..cited in the hadeeth), after Prophet Muhammed passed away, she become the most knowlodgeble and devout woman in islamic history (teaching Islam 100ds of (women): a rape victime? & not a single time the enemy of Islam at that time used the event to attack Islam neither arab pagans ones nor ” Christ worshippers” ones nor jews although they were known to use in their anti Islam propaganda any thing they could exploit or if necessary invent!

  79. Humans have something called ethnocentricism where they think their culture is better than someone else’s. Westerners might look and laugh at us and we look and laugh at them too. A good movie to watch is The Wedding Song about a jew&muslim Tunisian girls who were married young during ww2, and btw when “the prophet Mohamad would smile and Aisha would smile back and then Allah would smile” this quote explains their true marriage

  80. @ ignorance poisons everything….in the white mans fabricated history, it says “9 year old girl and a 50 year old man”….but in the REAL DOCUMENTED HISTORY whom only people of Colour are Familiar with it says 19yr and 45yr old!!….NOW, that was a different era were girls were Mature for their age!!…BUT HOW Comes the WHITE MAN In the Modern world has SEX WITH VARIOUS OF UNDER-AGE GIRLS AS YOUNG AS 6yrs old??….The Catholic church breeds Paedophilia!!…in todays world NO MOTHER can leave her child alone with a white man…smh#

  81. Farah, although I mean no disrespect personally, you have to admit, things people did 2000 years ago can only be described as barbaric? stoning women for adultery? would you defend that? How could I sit and watch people stone you to death for accusing you of adultery? (I could not respect any culture which would permit this, it is plain barbarism)

  82. //but in the REAL DOCUMENTED HISTORY whom only people of Colour are Familiar with it says 19yr and 45yr old!!//

    “Within months of the founding of the Islamic Republic the 1967 Family Protection Law was repealed, female government workers began to observe Islamic dress code, women were barred from becoming judges, beaches and sports were sex-segregated, the marriage age for girls was reduced to 9 and married women were barred from attending regular schools”

    ^ Chronology of Events Regarding Women in Iran since the Revolution of 1979, Elham Gheytanchi, Social Research via FindArticles, Summer 2000; accessed September 21, 2008.

    Why would the ayatollah reduce the legal age for marriage to 9 for girls? (this because the ayatollah falls for the “white man’s lies”?)

  83. The Catholic church breeds Paedophilia!!…in todays world NO MOTHER can leave her child alone with a white man…smh#//

    Again, the difference is, this is MUHAMMED (the prophet of Islam) we are talking about here, I don’t care what Catholic priests do (this is a red herring), Jesus didn’t marry a 9 year old, Muhammed did, you don’t like it, live with it, but you cannot blame this on the white man, I’m sorry.

  84. @Ignorance poisons everything: You couldn’t answer my answers and my counter accusations, so u turned to other persons repeating the same ones?! hhhhh u suffer from selective blindness or what??!hhhhhhhhh

  85. This article is written by a very ignorant fool, who has not even a rudementary understanding of the subject matter in question. I stopped reading after the 5th or 6th lie. A gross piece of miss-information.
    The lies about available sources (hadith), lies about Muslims position, lies about Qur’an’s teaching regarding marriage…the list goes on. What a complete tosser is this author, and what a rank website. I’ll never come back to this nest of brain-dead idiots.

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