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Bill Maher Gets Owned by Glenn Greenwald

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Bill Maher Gets Owned by Glenn Greenwald

This nine minute exchange between Bill Maher and his guests: Glenn Greenwald of the Guardian,Joy Reid of the Miami Herald and Charles Cooke of the National Review Online is very telling.

There’s a lot to say about how ideology and partisanship can prevent one from a fair analysis of events and contemporary issues.

It’s bizarre to see Charles Cooke telling Joy Reid that her point about slavery and by extension indentured servitude, Jim Crow (and much more) was a “cheap” point to make–he is just plain wrong that these “imperfections” were only 18th century problems.

I also wonder if Cooke recalls how European imperialism, including it’s British variant, conquered and colonized much of the world and did so with the Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

On the “Arab Spring” and Islam Maher sounds like the neo-fascist Geert Wilders (maybe he agrees with his pal Sam Harris that ‘unfortunately the fascists speak most sensibly about Islam’) or the extremist Christian right-wing he is all too happy to berate as “intellectual inferiors.”

Where is the nuanced discussion regarding “Islamism?” Is Islamism the same in places such as Turkey, Tunisia and Egypt?

The show that Bill Maher himself produces, VICE, aired a segment showing the intense and daily opposition to the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) led government in Egypt by groups such as the “Black Bloc,” a group devoted to sabotaging what they view as the fascist right-wing MB, claiming as its adherents, “liberals, secularists and moderate Islamists.” The revolutionary situation is plainly more complicated than a simple Islamists vs. democrats dichotomy.

Finally, Glenn Greenwald came through as he usually does, not letting Bill Maher get away with his silly, blinkered boogeyman narrative that it’s all PC liberalism to not say Islam is an inherently and uniquely violent religion causing the most horror and violence in the world. Greenwald gave the example of the West Bank and the extremist Jewish settlers who justify land theft and persecution of Palestinians based on a perceived divine mandate. Greenwald also pointed towards the Crusade against Iraq that George W. Bush stated as having been the directive of God.

There are other examples that Greenwald could have added as well: the Serbian genocide against Bosnians, the intense Islamophobia of fundamentalist Hindu nationalism that accompanies the occupation of Kashmir and other areas of India, the horrific campaign against Burmese and Sri Lankan Muslims by Buddhists, etc.

It is an open question however if Greenwald will be asked to return to the show again. In the past when individuals have intelligently and effectively pushed back against Maher’s Islamophobia they usually haven’t been called back.

Related:

-Violence has no religion: New rules for Bill Maher on Islam

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21 Comments »

  1. saw this and f*cking loved it!! Bill really sucks when it comes to Islam / Palestine.

  2. saw this and f*cking loved it!! Bill really sucks when it comes to Islam / Palestine.

  3. saw this and f*cking loved it!! Bill really sucks when it comes to Islam / Palestine.

  4. He deserved it. Maher needs to understand that you can’t have it both ways. You can’t simply dismiss Obama’s policies toward the Middle East and lambaste Bush-era Republicans for the same thing. I applaud Glenn Greenwald for his courageous statements. It’s ashamed that so many are afraid to admit the glaring truth.

  5. He deserved it. Maher needs to understand that you can’t have it both ways. You can’t simply dismiss Obama’s policies toward the Middle East and lambaste Bush-era Republicans for the same thing. I applaud Glenn Greenwald for his courageous statements. It’s ashamed that so many are afraid to admit the glaring truth.

  6. This is America he can have it anyway you want it at Burger King now. Why is Greenwald courageous? He isn’t saying anything any other apologist hasn’t been saying for years.

  7. This is America he can have it anyway you want it at Burger King now. Why is Greenwald courageous? He isn’t saying anything any other apologist hasn’t been saying for years.

  8. The problem with Bill Maher isn’t so much his Islamophobia (though I’m not writing it off), it’s his cognitive dissonance with regards to America and Foreign policy. Back when Bush was president, he raised hell against Bush policies. But now a man from his party, Obama, is in office and he doesn’t seem to mind that our intervention in the Libyan Spring produced some negative effects.
    Bill Maher is basically a liberal, Democrat-voting version of Bill O’Reilly. When someone is speaking, he interrupts them and talks without fully listening to them. I used to think he was great a few years back, until I realize how much of a pompous blowhard he was. His debates with Glenn Greenwald and Joy Reid (never mind Charles Cooke, he’s more or less irrelevant in this video) has really shown his arrogance and his ignorance. Not only does he single out Muslims for Extremism, but he seems to forget the cause of a lot of this Muslim extremism in the Middle East, and who played a role in backing these extremists during the Arab Spring.

  9. The problem with Bill Maher isn’t so much his Islamophobia (though I’m not writing it off), it’s his cognitive dissonance with regards to America and Foreign policy. Back when Bush was president, he raised hell against Bush policies. But now a man from his party, Obama, is in office and he doesn’t seem to mind that our intervention in the Libyan Spring produced some negative effects.
    Bill Maher is basically a liberal, Democrat-voting version of Bill O’Reilly. When someone is speaking, he interrupts them and talks without fully listening to them. I used to think he was great a few years back, until I realize how much of a pompous blowhard he was. His debates with Glenn Greenwald and Joy Reid (never mind Charles Cooke, he’s more or less irrelevant in this video) has really shown his arrogance and his ignorance. Not only does he single out Muslims for Extremism, but he seems to forget the cause of a lot of this Muslim extremism in the Middle East, and who played a role in backing these extremists during the Arab Spring.

  10. What Glenn Greenwald is saying it is important because of his explanation on why Islamic Extremism exists.
    Greenwald does call out Bill Maher for his bullcrap and tells him off when U.S. foreign policy has produced these extremist terrorists (including the anti-Qaddafi rebels that U.S. ARMED, some of whom later attacked the Embassy), and a “smart” and “enlightened” liberal like Maher either has Alzheimer’s and forgets Greenwald’s points or he ungrudgingly denies it. Perhaps this is to protect Obama’s honor and shield him from legitimate criticisms regarding the Embassy attack in Libya (while allowing the Republican National Review author, Charles Cooke, to continue criticizing the Obama administration over Red Herrings such as Embassy Security).

  11. What Glenn Greenwald is saying it is important because of his explanation on why Islamic Extremism exists.
    Greenwald does call out Bill Maher for his bullcrap and tells him off when U.S. foreign policy has produced these extremist terrorists (including the anti-Qaddafi rebels that U.S. ARMED, some of whom later attacked the Embassy), and a “smart” and “enlightened” liberal like Maher either has Alzheimer’s and forgets Greenwald’s points or he ungrudgingly denies it. Perhaps this is to protect Obama’s honor and shield him from legitimate criticisms regarding the Embassy attack in Libya (while allowing the Republican National Review author, Charles Cooke, to continue criticizing the Obama administration over Red Herrings such as Embassy Security).

  12. Lovvveeed it <3

  13. Lovvveeed it <3

  14. why Glenn Greenwald won’t get a job hosting a show on MSM anytime soon. Too much truth for the masses to digest……

  15. why Glenn Greenwald won’t get a job hosting a show on MSM anytime soon. Too much truth for the masses to digest……

  16. Glenn Greenwald has a new fan!

  17. Glenn Greenwald has a new fan!

  18. Jon, You immediately lost credibility with me when you referred to Greenwald’s acknowledgement of America’s foreign policy shortcomings as an apologist’s philosophy.Typically I don’t take the time to engage troll behavior, but Harry summed it up very well.

  19. Jon, You immediately lost credibility with me when you referred to Greenwald’s acknowledgement of America’s foreign policy shortcomings as an apologist’s philosophy.Typically I don’t take the time to engage troll behavior, but Harry summed it up very well.

  20. Owned?

    So we’re supposed to believe that the Islamists attacking the consulate were unconcerned and unaffected by the insulting vid? If they were, then surely they were the only Muslims in the world to be so indifferent. Who’s the idiot now? Obama didn’t misrepresent the facts, dimwit!

  21. Owned?

    So we’re supposed to believe that the Islamists attacking the consulate were unconcerned and unaffected by the insulting vid? If they were, then surely they were the only Muslims in the world to be so indifferent. Who’s the idiot now? Obama didn’t misrepresent the facts, d!mw!t!

    (sorry if duplicate, had to take out a bad word)

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